The changing face of Google Nexus brand
- To be a pure Google Android experience.
- To be a developer reference device.
- To be a hardware reference for other manufacturers.
35. Synack posted on 18 Nov 2011, 18:01 3 4
I\'m sorry but this is a pure Google experience with LTE on top. Give me a friggin break, you can\'t call it a PURE Google experience because it has Backup Assistant and My Verizon apps? No, that\'s crap. Just because it\'s no longer an exclusive geek only phone that wasn\'t mega advertised (we still have yet to see commercials on the tube) doesn\'t mean it won\'t be pure Google. There are absolutely no skins or carrier bloatware (Backup Assistant and My Verizon isn\'t bloat) on this device. It IS pure Google. This isn\'t an opinion, it is a fact. This device is doing what Nexus has always done, just like you said; set the benchmark for hardware and software. It introduces new things that no other devices have like past Nexus\'s. Verizon won\'t have any control over this phone. The only control they might have is slowing down your stupid fast 4G LTE connection if you\'re in the 5% of people that download way too much. T-Mobile has been doing that for a while, where the first Nexus device was directed to, just like you said.
Point is, this is Pure Google. Go back to your iPhone with 3G.
36. Synack posted on 18 Nov 2011, 18:03 6 3
And I have no idea why your website is putting backslashes before every single one of my apostrophes.
69. fervid posted on 22 Nov 2011, 09:45 0 0
Most likely Magic Quotes are turned on. Since this is an old feature and off in current PHP versions they are either running an older/less secure PHP or have it turned on manually. They could also be manually adding slashes with another function which is the wrong one to use for an HTML post and they should be using htmlentities.
62. Retro-touch posted on 19 Nov 2011, 03:57 3 1
Check this out:
2. username posted on 18 Nov 2011, 16:26 11 0
i love nexus. i have a nexus one, nexus s, and definattly cant wait for the galaxy nexus.
3. MichaelHeller posted on 18 Nov 2011, 16:44 10 0
I love Nexus too, and I'm definitely impatient for the Galaxy Nexus, but I'm not switching to Verizon for it, and I have no idea when or where I'll be able to get my hands on a T-Mobile version.
6. remixfa posted on 18 Nov 2011, 16:52 7 0
if there isnt a T-mo version, i would be highly surprised. we just need to force VZW to launch the darn thing so we can get past the exclusivity to find out...lol
7. protozeloz posted on 18 Nov 2011, 16:54 3 0
Many are buying the euro version. Maybe Amazon and others ship the unlocked version soon
20. remixfa posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:17 3 0
has anyone fully confirmed HSPA+ compatibility with the euro version and Tmo USA?
21. protozeloz posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:19 2 1
its said to be pentaband with ATT and tmobile bands on it
24. LewsTherin006 posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:22 6 1
yea, engadget tested it. it works on tmo and att.
30. protozeloz posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:34 2 1
67. MichaelHeller posted on 20 Nov 2011, 19:35 1 0
It's a pentaband radio, so that should cover everything.
60. ElectroManiac posted on 19 Nov 2011, 00:49 1 1
Any idea from where you can import the europe version?
61. protozeloz posted on 19 Nov 2011, 02:57 1 1
So far eBay. But my bet Amazon will have it soon and with US warranty
4. SoopaManLuv posted on 18 Nov 2011, 16:50 3 0
I'm still getting one. F all tha negative, I'm looking at it like this: my current phone is a DroidX. When I got it it was one of tha top dogs on Verizon. Far as I'm (as in ME) concerned, it will b tha best DROID on Verizon and I'm not into going backwards. U know, upgrade. Not down grade. Also, good article. Everything he said is true but most of us r like me and not really concerned about 2 pieces of bloatware or the "google" experience. We jus want tha damn phone! Bring it on!
5. remixfa posted on 18 Nov 2011, 16:51 7 0
I still contend that they should call the verizon version the Droid Prime/galaxy, instead of the galaxy nexus, to keep the distinction. we all also kinda kept our fingers crossed that VZW wouldnt act like VZW.
I really had no problem with those 2 apps, as for verizon users, they are extremely useful and actually needed for the way that VZW's business has been set up for a while. It seems like a very small concession to get such a great device on the biggest carrier in the land.
But, as our board member roscuthiii pointed out from another developer blog post,
" Those two applications as has been confirmed on XDA (http://forum.xda-developers.co... are installed in the system folder. The only way they got into the system folder is if a modified version of what's out there for the AOSP on the GIT servers was compiled to include those two applications. Now on to my real concern...this *requires* that all new versions of android be filtered through VERIZON "----( Kirk Spencer)
If that is the case, then I completely stand with you, michael. If that turns out to be much adue about nothing, then I think we are just getting hot n bothered over relatively nothing.
To say that my opinion on the matter hinges on weather what roscuthiii pointed out turns out to be true or not.. would be pretty accurate.
9. roscuthiii posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:06 1 1
Aww shucks! Thanks for the cred, but I'm merely (unfortunately?) the messenger.
12. MichaelHeller posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:08 4 0
For a bit, I thought the same. I thought it would have been better with a Samsung DROID Nexus on Verizon, and a Google Nexus Prime for everyone else, but that just causes more problems and would lead to more calls that it was a type of fragmentation. Google needed a unified release for the device, name and all. Unfortunately, instead of taking ownership, and building Google's name in the market, now all the credit will go to Samsung, because it's just another Galaxy phone.
28. remixfa posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:25 2 1
there is truth in that.
well, every hand has 2 sides.. on the palm side, most of us like google's "hands off" approach to android for most things. On the reverse, we get mad at google not taking a more apple like control of the situation.
Can we really have both? I would LOVE to see google flex that muscle and nearly 50% market position and push carriers a bit like Apple does... but then they wouldnt be the same company. As much as we want it, it seems like they are acting "googley" and doing what makes their partners "happy", and we are the hippocrits wanting both "hands off" and "more control".
31. MichaelHeller posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:39 5 0
Isn't that the point of Nexus? That gives us both. Google is hands off with everything else, but Nexus is all Google.
55. remixfa posted on 18 Nov 2011, 22:38 3 0
yea but it is and isnt. Its all google, but google went around the carriers to sell the phone without concession. the original nexus was an exellent phone for its day but it was a sales disaster because of that decision. they then tried to go around the carriers and sell it at best buy.. which was an improvement, but nowhere near what the phone was capable of. they are now... and unfortunately.. bowing to VZW at least slightly to get the phone on the carrier to go head to head with the i4s.
i really want google to act like apple and punch VZW and ATT in the mouth and get them to listen, but thats not google's MO. Who has more pulling power than google? They OWN the smartphone market. iphone this and that, but google has 50% market share with Android.
We cant have both worlds. U can either be an ass like apple, or be hands off like google. The only one that could possibly be in the middle is MS at this point, an they dont have the power/sway to try that.
pardon if im slightly incoherent, as you may or may not have noticed, i was out celebrating with my friends n their engagement. :) hopefully it sounds well thought out. :)
63. MichaelHeller posted on 19 Nov 2011, 11:52 4 0
Google may not strong-arm Verizon, but giving up the name of the phone to Samsung is unacceptable.
44. KingKurogiii posted on 18 Nov 2011, 18:34 0 0
yeah..i never did like the Galaxy Nexus name nor was i a huge fan of Samsung making it again a second year in a row. i thought Motorola deserved their turn.
47. MNX1024 posted on 18 Nov 2011, 19:51 0 1
In my opinion, I wish SE or SONY now made the new Nexus device.
It'd be funny if they decide to call it Xperia Nexus.
56. remixfa posted on 18 Nov 2011, 22:40 4 0
the nexus is a showcase.
who had something better to show case than samsung this year? i thought moto was gonna get it last time over samsung. guess we are all wrong. :)
70. vette21man posted on 23 Nov 2011, 08:29 0 0
Agreed, it should go to the best. Even the many-months old SGSII is winning "vs wars" with Motorola's brand new DROID RAZR, so to KingKurogiii, why does Motorola "deserve" their turn? Don't you need to EARN your spot? It shouldn't be willy-nilly given.
73. KingKurogiii posted on 23 Nov 2011, 13:13 0 0
the only way the Galaxy S II is absolutely better is with Exynos the rest is either a win for the Razr or there's trade offs. Motorola has deserved a chance this whole time. there have been rumors of Motorola making the Nexus since the Nexus One. need i remind you who put Android into the spotlight? imagine a Pure Google Experience running on one of Motorola's greatly built handsets and tell me that wouldn't be a win. it would've been great if Motorola did this year's Nexus, Motorola has more experience with the OMAP4 and LTE, Motorola's build quality is pretty superb and the build quality is a big gripe with this Samsung Nexus and if they had gotten Samsung to supply them with HDSA displays for it then they would have made the ideal Android 4.0 Nexus.
71. vette21man posted on 23 Nov 2011, 08:34 1 0
Seriously, who cares about a distinct name? I would argue it makes WAY more sense to have a universal name across carriers. iPhone 4S doesn't need iPhone 4S AWESOME on AT&T, and iPhone 4S ASTOUNDING on Verizon................no........it's iPhone 4S no matter what carrier.
They're the same phone, guys. I forget if the Galaxy Nexus will have both GSM and CDMA radios built in, but that would likely be the only possible difference, as all models should support LTE.
8. biophone posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:03 4 0
The nexus has always been a different device. They didnt make alot of compromises but they did make some which ultimatly they had too. I do think its for the better but that being said i love the article and couldnt agree more. This is no longer the traditional nexus. Cant wait for the nexus btw.
16. protozeloz posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:13 0 0
Tell me about it I\'ve being reading reviews all over. Compared in terms of speed with the 4S is a great achievement. Camera had being the only down so far. Zero shutter is awesome but should be something that turns on and off to allow the person to decide when they need fast shooting or sharp shooting
49. biophone posted on 18 Nov 2011, 20:14 0 0
Im going to wait for pa's review before i pass judgement on the camerea.
10. taco50 (banned) posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:07 2 10
Google and Samsung bent over and took it in the rear with this phone. Backup assistant is a horrible program btw. Users should have a choice to download these programs if they want.
13. Shangri-La posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:11 7 4
"...Users should have a choice .... "
I'm getting an iPhony then..
25. taco50 (banned) posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:22 1 6
If you want to avoid bloat ware it's looking like your only choice.
32. MichaelHeller posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:42 5 0
You are making far too much about the bloatware. Remember, Ice Cream Sandwich lets you remove any app, including bloatware and any stock apps. iPhone's don't let you do that.
34. taco50 (banned) posted on 18 Nov 2011, 18:00 1 4
We will see I have a feeling e carriers may block that. You write two articles about it.
40. Johnny_Mnemonic posted on 18 Nov 2011, 18:10 1 1
@ Shangri. Getting an iphone is not a choice with iPhone there's not such thing as choice you get whatever Apple gives you period.
41. taco50 (banned) posted on 18 Nov 2011, 18:23 0 5
You could just not get an iPhone.
72. vette21man posted on 23 Nov 2011, 08:36 0 0
Dude, he was joking.
I'm an iPhone 4 owner and I thumbed him up!!
14. MichaelHeller posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:12 7 0
Stripping away the grotesque hyperbole of your comment, the comment would be valid for Google, but what has Samsung given up with this device? Samsung is taking just as much if not more from Google than Verizon is.
18. taco50 (banned) posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:14 0 8
Samsung makes the phone so they are allowing the bloat ware too.
22. Shangri-La posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:19 4 1
Sorry Michael, just couldn't resist.
Appreciate your article, as always.
43. KingKurogiii posted on 18 Nov 2011, 18:32 3 0
how is Backup Assistant terrible? you enter your pin and you get your contacts back...that's it.
11. protozeloz posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:08 2 0
I think Google is trying to make the device available in market people has requested them to do so. That is not an easy task when it comes down to carriers, they like control, and don\'t like companies to be in control by a lot.
It\'s not the same but the iPhone was a small victim of the carriers control. When the Verizon iPhone entered the game it had a a feature the ATT version did not had. Then it was said that the feature was ready long ago but ATT gave it a no. Of course apple did not talked about it. I sometimes feel apple actually has an eternal list of appointments with the carrier to decide what they don\'t want on the iPhone based on what\'s collected they release a device that makes both happy without a word coming outside. The Verizon iPhone also didn\'t got a certain update until some time happened.
Now how I see Google table of features. Its more like an open events and cari
17. taco50 (banned) posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:13 0 3
Not really iOS offered tethering in 3.0 and it wasn't a secret. You're right AT&T didn't support.
The differences in software versions between AT&T and Verizon iPhone were mostly due to CDMA vs gsm technology from what I've read. Not carriers blocking features. iPhone has always been free of any carrier bloat ware. They were the ones that managed to get their own app store as well.
26. protozeloz posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:24 0 0
what I'm saying is that it's hard to tell when a new iPhone is release most if not all its features may have already being talked about privately, when Google releases a new OS the list of features they put is public and probably most where not talked out so you end up seeing some restrictions due to carrier.
15. JeffdaBeat posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:12 3 0
My hope is with the purchase of Motorola that we start getting more Google branded devices. I know everyone likes their different flavors of Android, but the only way I'd buy one is if it's from Google themselves. Who knows their OS and what it needs for the best experience more than them?
19. MichaelHeller posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:15 1 0
I wouldn't support more Google branded devices through Motorola, because that would anger other Android partners. But, I would support Google abolishing MotoBlur for more pure Android devices.
23. JeffdaBeat posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:20 5 0
See, my thing is why would they be angry other than because the phones they make are s**t? If Google releases an update for Android, everyone would get it at the same time. Now if Samsung wants to be a layer on top for their devices, then that's fine. They can put time and money into that. I'd agree with you if Google released an update for themselves and waited a month or so before allowing others to use it, but I don't think that's what they're looking to do.
I just wish people had the choice. If I get an Android phone, let me decide whether I want to put carrier apps on there. Let me decide what user interface I want. Allow me to start fresh and build from there. I know everyone hates Apple, but even before the iPhone when I had a Windows Mobile Phone, I would install a ROM that had no bloatware what so ever. All of a sudden, I had a working phone.
29. protozeloz posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:31 5 0
I've said that skins should be apps downloaded from the market, if someone wants a skin they find blur or sense depending on their devices on the android market, phones could get updates more directly and skinning should be reduced to apps so both things go faster (android market has tons of filters companies could use to their advantage ), the only thing I've always disliked about bloat is that most are paid (Company X pays Verizon to put an app I don't need in there and gets money from my bill my phone and company X) I'm buying the dam phone F****rs have some respect for what I want or don't want to add on my phone or sell me a phone with no bloat.
33. MichaelHeller posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:46 2 0
ICS is getting closer to that. It will let you remove any carrier apps. And, supposedly skins will be handled more like regular apps, which should speed updates. We'll have to see how it all works though.
38. protozeloz posted on 18 Nov 2011, 18:05 2 0
I understand they want to make the device as usable as they think. I could see an Android device asking the user if the want to install a skin on first run and give the advantages of using Touchiz for example. The user agrees and things go on. Your apps get updated on the market like all the others while they work on porting the new version I can see it making things much faster. And better
57. remixfa posted on 18 Nov 2011, 22:41 2 0
I completely agree with that.
64. remixfa posted on 19 Nov 2011, 13:54 0 0
i really dont see a big competitive advantage for moto even if google does take direct control. As long as google still posts up the OS on the web for all to use, how does moto have the advantage? HTC has the advantage on current recognition and Samsung has the clear hardware advantage.
Moto's best chance is making a line of high and mid range phones that are straight google experiences. Differentiate by being the "fast update" manufacturer to gain people's trust back.
27. MorePhonesThanNeeded posted on 18 Nov 2011, 17:25 1 0
Google won't play favorites with Moto, but I wouldn't be upset if Moto started getting thier asses in gear and getting Android updates in a more timely fashion. Have better interoperability between switching from moto blur to stock android as a user choice would be a great idea.
37. seanjohnusa91 posted on 18 Nov 2011, 18:04 0 0
My own two cents...I'm going to go back to something remixfa said earlier. One of the reasons I wanted the Galaxy Nexus is because the Nexus brand said, "OTA updates no more than a week after the release from now until the phone basically can't handle it anymore (more realistically until it gets replaced next year)." With the addition of the bloatware that Verizon is indeed putting on the phone (One of which doesn't satisfy my needs of what i need it to do so I go on the internet anyways and the second of which doesn't really pertain to people who have had android for at least one device IMO
39. seanjohnusa91 posted on 18 Nov 2011, 18:09 0 0
the update goes out the window. Basically two apps will turn into many in the upcoming years and even though google's gotta do what google's gotta do, it's still the principle of the fact. Whatever, I'm still getting it because it is a "flagship" but Verizon wins...then, now and forever.