The browser wars have a new winner after major updates to platforms
0. phoneArena 21 Jun 2011, 09:35 posted on
Just a couple of months ago, Microsoft bragged with the performance of its IE9 browser after it blew competition out of the water in a browser benchmark designed by Redmond itself...
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1. clevername (Posts: 1429; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
Translation: we all win with this friendly competition....except Android...for now anyway(ice cream sandwich?)
2. AndroidTroll (Posts: 359; Member since: 05 Mar 2011)
I would take a lower framerate with flash ability and text reflow over simple safari anyday.
25. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Ads are that important for you huh? Lol.
33. BobbyTaba (Posts: 316; Member since: 11 Aug 2010)
retards like you dont know what your missing
35. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Not missing anything at all. I have skyfire on my iphone :) And to educate you, skyfire lets iOS users view flash contents on their idevices :)
46. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
You had to pay for that too, right? We got it for free and to be honest, Its just not the same buddy. Android FTW!
52. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
no honestly skyfire is much better... u can have the speed of safari and then if u need to see the occasional flash video, which honestly is very rare on my phone, u use skyfire...
55. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
i've been to sites on Skyfire that have multiple videos i want to watch but i couldn't do it because Skyfire just locks on to one at a time. that's why i stopped using it.
57. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)
I can't test it since Skyfire dropped thier servers supporting Windows Mobile. It was a nice free app while it lasted!
66. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
well when i had it you clicked on the one you wanted and then it went to that one...
68. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
when you click another video on the Android version it just loads it in the native flash format, it doesn't launch that separate player like you can with the first video it finds. i even re-downloaded it and double checked to see if they added it before i commented and sure enough it still doesn't do it. i like Skyfire though, it plays Videos it finds in it's little video popup better than Flash 10.3 with smoother frame rates and minimal lag but it doesn't work the way i need it to so native Flash is still a winner in my book.
63. AndroidTroll (Posts: 359; Member since: 05 Mar 2011)
@BobbyTaba retards like you don't know that you're is a contraction of the words 'you' and 'are' and that it's spelled you're
3. box (unregistered)
In order to be competitive, shouldn't there be an even playing field, i.e., all browsers running Flash and HTML5? Until then, speed tests are irrelevant unless only those browsers are compared. You should also compare in popular third-party browsers, like Skyfire and Opera Mini
53. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
this is only an html5 speed test... it doesnt take into considerstion flash...
4. Rich (unregistered)
FLASH FINALLY CAME TO IOS???
no? awww drats...
5. IDik (unregistered)
As always, the writers are all over the iphones parts...jeeze,
6. remixfa (Posts: 13942; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if they are doing a comparison it should be with flash OFF on android. Also, which chipsets are being used for android? The GalaxyS would be the best choice as it is the same as the iphone4 on the inside. Then compare it to the galaxyS2 to see the difference in processing power. All with flash off since only android is good enough to have flash support at the moment.
Yea, check with diff browsers too. It would be interesting to throw dolphin and opera in there.
22. Rich (unregistered)
why would u compare them with flash turned off?
thats like me saying my phone doesn't have 3G or a touchscreen, so if you are going to compare it to an iphone you should turn off those features before making the comparision.
bottom line is, android indeed DOES have flash, and that makes the web browsing better... so whatever, or however you want to compare so that they are on even grounds, once you turn flash back on, your not on even grounds anymore.
7. ee (unregistered)
This site is so bias towards IOS...., these biased propaganda sounding articles always show that stick to the facts.
8. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
would you be saying the same thing if Android or WP7 had won? iOS can win at some things too. even you have to admit the Safari Browser is a smooth beast. that said though give me Flash like 8 out of 10 times.
9. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
You can't blame PA for reporting what appears to be facts. No matter how you may feel about the iPhone, you have to admit, Apple tries to exceed every standard that other manufactures follow. They make a touch screen, Apple makes a multiple touch screen. Someone makes a high resolution display, Apple makes a Retina display. Apple is an over achiever when it comes to putting out a product. They may not include all the features I would like but their products are top notch. If the Android browser doesn't measure up, I have to put the blame on Google for that.
11. remixfa (Posts: 13942; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
apple didnt make the retina display, nor did it invent the multitouch display, just to point that out.
The only thing apple did was make a very flashy feature phone with a clarity that hadnt been seen on phones at the time. it wasnt even a smartphone for a few updates. theyve done things right, but they havent invented any new tech ei ther.
15. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Your right, they didn't MAKE these things, but they were the first to use them. LG could have kept it for themselves, but they didn't. Samsung allowed Apple to use their A4 processor before the Hummingbird came out also. As far as it starting out as a feature phone, I believe the ip4 is still a feature phone because it still can not load third party software. But the point is, they are alway pushing the envelop when it comes to specs. They may not make a game changing device with every version of the iPhone, but they always have some type of feature, even if they didn't invent it, that makes me think why didn't anyone think of this sooner.
26. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
how is the iPhone not a smartphone when it has all the functionality of a smartphone? It can load 3rd party software through the app store. And even if it couldn't it would still be a smartphone.
30. downphoenix (Posts: 2359; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
feature phones can run 3rd party software too, often they can download them from their carriers web portal as well as use sites like Getjar. Doesn't make them smartphones.
36. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Well the iphone is not a feature phone. It's a smartphone. Only an ignorant hater would say that it's not when all tech magazines categorizes the iphone as a smartphone and have even awarded the iphone "smartphone of the year" awards. So stop it already.
37. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Maybe third party apps wasn't the right choice of words. I should have said you can't side load apps. Smartphones are supposed to be mini computers, and our computers have the ability to download applications from anywhere. The fact that Apple has blocked that ability makes it a very, very nice feature phone. I even felt that ATT reduced their Android devices to feature phones when they blocked side loading. Cydia is great, but the fact that you have to jailbreak your phone and void the warranty just to get another source of apps is messed up.
47. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
So sideloading apps is the definition of a smartphone? Come on get real. Smartphones have features such as a full web browser, exchange support etc. iPhone is definitely a smartphone and if you can't admit that you're moving over to troll territory. It's considered a smartphone by every company that sells them and every tech site and magazine.
50. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
My old LG Dare could do all that, but it wasn't considered a smartphone. And yes, exchange too through a little app called Mobile Email.
Also look at it this way, when the iPhone first came out, it was introduced as a feature phone. What is the big difference between the original iPhone and the ip4? The app store? They moved it to the smartphone category because it was a damn good seller. Why wouldn't they try and squeeze an extra $30 out of customers who were standing in lines for days for this phone? There was more money in calling it a smartphone, that's it. And why wouldn't the tech sites and magazines categorize it they way ATT does? For most people, it's obviously a smartphone and I wouldn't say to them "No, it's not!". But to me it just doesn't feel like a true smartphone. It's been too stripped down, too simple.
51. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
The iPhone was always listed as a smartphone. It has a more powerful OS than RIM, Microsoft and Palm. The only one that can compete is android. So to you only android is a smartphone I guess?? Too stripped down? Since when is simple and easy to use bad? The only down side to the app store is not being able to get hacked apps for free. The advantage is you don't get s**tty corrupt software after a while which means no hard resets and buggy phones.
You're full on trolling now with questions such as what's the difference between original iPhone and iPhone 4. Try everything. Idiotic comments from you today.
56. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
C'mon taco, you've been doing really good lately but you're starting to revert back to your old ways. Stay with me, man!
I know it sounds bad coming from an Android user, but the iphone is not a true smartphone and i am not the only one who feels that way. Here are a few articles from Engadet and a few other tech sites, since you don't want to hear it from me.
And no, I don't think Android is the only smartphone out. Although iOS has a lot of the same functions as a smartphone, the iPhone surely doesn't feel like one. Smartphones are a marriage between PDA's (Personal Digital Assistants) and cellphones. A mini computer that mapped out you entire day, hour by hour and alerted you to every email, fax, task, calendar, to do list, etc, etc. But it was all on the homescreen where you can see it all in a glance, notifications and all! It was truly a Personal Digital Assistant. Android, WebOS, PalmOS, Blackberry, Windows Mobile (Not sure about WP7 yet.) all give me the "At a glance" view of my day if I want it too. But with the iPhone, you have to locate and open the app for all those different things. That doesn't make it bad, just not what I think of when I hear "smartphone". When I think of my old LG Dare, I think of blocks!!! And that's what I see on every single iPhone I have ever come into contact with. Absolutely NO customization what-so-ever!
Dude, I'm nobody's troll or fanboy. I'm a guy who loves technology of all kinds, even Apple technology. I have no reason to hate on iOS or the iphone. When its coming from me, it's the truth, not something I though up just to make someone or something look bad. I tell it like it is, even if its something about my preferred os, Android and you know that! You only feel my comments were idiotic because they were true, and how does that saying go??? The truth hurts.
59. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)
A jailbroken iPhone is a smartphone: you can do what you want with it, change settings, functionality, go past the features outlined by Apple... Basically, you can make it behave the way you want it to for you: make it behave smartly...
An iPhone is a feature phone: you can only get the features that Apple allows [via integrated functionality and the features in apps in the app store]. It is limited to that set of features, therefore it is a feature phone regardless of how many features it has...
58. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)
They push the envelope when it comes to design, not specs. I know it is a gray area, but I think specs like multitouch came as a natural result of design philosophy. Apple has done this better than most, then thier marketing ran with it.
64. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
+1 corps. I'm still not even sure about a jail broken iphone being a smartphone, but I am willing to give on that one. You can definently get apps from other sources so that's good enough for me. But jail breaking voids the warranty and that just doesn't seem right.
67. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)
+1, I agree that definition is still problematic, but it was as close as I could come without getting into passive vs active software updates and required vs optional...
Your mention of sideloading is also spot on since sideloading allows you to make the phone do what you want it to instead of being a passive clock of manufacturer/carrier code.
12. Eingild (Posts: 203; Member since: 19 Apr 2011)
Yes it scored a whooping 31fps! Amazing! Oh wait, does it run flash? Of course it will run at a higher framerate bastards because it doesn't support flash for goodness sake!
43. Eingild (Posts: 203; Member since: 19 Apr 2011)
Yeah I admit I went overboard with this one. I just can't take the biased articles anymore. It's too much.
13. mfrapp20 (Posts: 14; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)
There's way too many variables in testing speed, and this article explained none of them. I hate how PhoneArena can't even do their own research, and write their own articles. They just steal all of their news articles from other websites. Plus, they're so biased towards iOS. Mobile Safari does not run flash, so it should not be compared to browsers that do, unless the flash capability was turned of during the test
14. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
A dark day for fandroid lapdogs. I didn't see you idiots complaining when android was winning as the faster browser. It's impressive that a software update is doing this well on an year old hardware.
19. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
most of us have been aware that Safari is smoother than most Android phone browsers but it didn't budge our resolve to have a phone that can load Flash content as opposed to only having a slightly smoother experience.
24. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Hahahaha, and is it Apple's fault that they opted out flash so that their devices can run smoother? Goodness. Flash is a dying platform. The only reason why it's still there is because google and android users are clinging to it really strongly so that they would have something that iOS don't have (natively), lol. Btw, flash videos run smoothly on my iOS devices via skyfire :)
31. downphoenix (Posts: 2359; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
Flash isnt a dying platform, the only reason HTML5 has any ground at all is because of the Iphone, if it wasnt for that Flash would still be the only real choice for web based apps.
38. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
HTML5 is the standard that adobe has been trying to stop everyone from realizing that because it will kill them. Just like cassette tapes and vhs tape manufacturers used to hate the development of cd and dvd's, lol. It's time for flash to say goodbye, but thanks to android users and google, it will stay a little while longer and advancement and development will be a little slower because of your pride :)
34. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
They opted out of flash so you couldn't side load any apps without paying them their cut. If the iPhone had flash, you could go to different flash based sites, play games or download your own and Apple wasn't going to let that happen. But I'm suprised you think so little of iOS to think that a little thing like flash could slow it down.
39. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Oh ok, so you probably didn't know that flash causes a lot of performance issues on smartphones, and vulnerability issues as well. And you would rather stick with a 3rd party plug-in, than a web standard html5. You probably think that Apple is just making those flash issues stories up huh?
40. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Not to mention that OS updates could be delayed due to adobe not updating their flash versions yet. So android users would rather stall just because of adobe flash, than just adopt a standard html5. It's called PRIDE.
49. Whateverman (Posts: 3225; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Just in case you weren't aware, Android is already HTML5 compatible so i'm not sure what stalling you are referring to. I've already explained to you several times why Apple didnt include flash, but you dont want to beleive Steve would do that to you. But let me ask you this, since HTML5 is a few years away from be the standard, whats the harm in giving you what's available now? I have flash on my Mac. If it's such a security threat, why didnt they exclude it from Snow Leapard or Lion? I'll tell you why! Because it has nothing to do with security, it's about Apple having complete control over iOS! Having complete control of where you can go to get content and getting a bigger chunk of your paycheck well after you have paid for the device! Think about it.
There is still no reason for Apple to not include flash. There are Android devices that load pages just as fast as the iPhone even with flash enabled, so when I hear you say that it slows down devices...what I actually hear is you don't think iOS is up to par with Android.
60. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)
Preach it Whateverman!
Its time people woke up and stopped beleiving the lies of Antichrist Jobs!
28. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I don't dispute that consumers have a choice and if you need flash android is the way to go. I can say lately almost every sight work in html5 now so while it was limiting in the past now it doesn't really bother me anymore.
16. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Oh by the way if you actually READ the article it wasn't tested on actual websites with flash. They tested fps which is equal across the board.
17. bossmt_2 (Posts: 436; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
I'm still curious why fps really matter?
THe sited argument even says the original test was dumb. (well they said unfair)
27. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Fps wouldn't really matter to you right now because the iOS outperformed the others.. It would matter a lot to you the moment android offers better fps than iOS on their browsers :)
20. nymike (unregistered)
Darn I just ran my Nexus S 4G on the site and got a whopping 2 FPS...that sucks
21. 1701nino (unregistered)
Hahahaha Iphone is the best,Iphone is the best, hahahaha iphone is the best
Suck d**k you frikdroids weepee7s
29. sgogeta4 (Posts: 392; Member since: 02 Feb 2011)
I don't see the big deal. Every generation, even on desktops and laptops, web browsers are basically the same. Sure one may get 1 fps more today but tomorrow, another browser will top that and so on and so forth. Stop with the bashing of Apple or Google since it has nothing to do with them.