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The Update Battle: Innovation vs legacy support

0. phoneArena 27 Oct 2011, 10:42 posted on

Every company needs to draw the line between innovation and supporting legacy devices, and the speed of the mobile ecosystem makes finding that line harder than most, especially for users. So, we're trying to make sense of how it works, and how to best make your choices...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 14:16 2

39. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


screw that.. i EXPECT you to have good posts, KK :)

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 14:50

46. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


oh poop. i'm too lazy to have expectations. i like having you as a fall back for all the long ass SoC posts. xD

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 16:07

51. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i feel the same way thum3333rrrrr...KK :) lol

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 16:10

52. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


oh gosh! xD
guess we'll take turns.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 15:25 2

48. snowgator (Posts: 3600; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Somehow I feel so ... used!!! Geez, Thump.. er ...King... a little notice!! :-D

Why, no proto... I did NOT know who da King was. Look who just caught up with the rest of the class.....

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 15:47

49. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


hehehe! got ya didn't i? ;)
i'm still having to make my true identity be known to other usuals around here.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 18:23

60. roscuthiii (Posts: 2226; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Well, some of us are unusual.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 19:31

64. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


then you'll be getting to know me as KingKurogiii. c:

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 20:59

66. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3109; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


Yea I LOVED the build design of the Devour, it was amazing. The keyboard was also very nice as well. Design + Keyboard was way better than the OG Droid. But the OG Droid had better screen resolution, larger screen, and STOCK android 2.0. Moto made a HUGE mistake out of trying to use their first ever Motoblur UI with the Devour. I soley blame Motoblur for the failure of the Devour. That is why so many people till this day hate Motoblur and refuse to use any android phone with it. Even though they have made a lot of changes, that kind of a rep just doesnt go away. I am convinced that if the Devour had stock android, it would have been a hit. But horrible lag and bugs completely destroyed it.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 22:04

73. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


i never really got the big fuss about Motoblur. i think it went way out of proportion. i never really had any problems out of my Devour. it worked just fine for me. i just wanted more. xD

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 11:56 3

7. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


Great article Michael, as always.

but I still think that Google should've done atleast a "LITE" version of the ICS for old or low end models mainly for this reason, Android is about choice. Not all Android users have top of the line models. They have the option to buy a low end model. So if models like Nexus One which is supposed to be a high end model before way back early 2010 wont be getting the ICS, what about the 2011 low end models like Wildfire S and Samsung Replenish(which has a relatively lower specs than Nexus One even though it's a new model)? If you will realize, there are features that are missing on low end gingerbread models that are present on high end models. So in my opinion, Google could have done better in terms of that aspect.

Just saying.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 11:58

8. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


low-end Gingerbread models might not get ICS...

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 12:00

9. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


i know.. and it sucks balls..

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 12:11 2

11. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


yeah it does. that's why i told my story and Michael posted this article, to raise awareness. always go for the super phones. always.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 12:44 3

21. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Its why I cry on heaven and hell that low end android phones are

1. the ones causing the trouble
2. they are actually featuresmarphones (DumbSmarphones)

why?

simple, with their low end capabilities and lots of limitation for example I can say that I played with the Galaxy Ace, It has a super small memory (only 50 apps at max WTF!!!!) they cant run several apps at the same time and dont pack a lot of tuff, yeah they have a smartphone OS but they aren't fully smartphones because they where meant to perform with little to no stuff (mostly chat and social networks) those phones hurt android a lot and also manufacturers.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 13:38

27. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


Well, Google Android is about choices. Choices because not all people have the same needs etc. You're probably a heavy user if 50 apps arent enough. So what I'm saying is, Google and friends should stand behind their products. Update everything that needs to be updated.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 14:20

41. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i completely dissagree arcq,

one of the main points of ICS is to reduce and eventually kill fragmentation as much as possible. Making a "lite" version would only complicate the matter, not help it.

Eventually what is high end will be the "free" phone. ICS will solve the bulk of fragmentation eventually. In a few months SGS1's will be clearance models. Samsung said they will bring ICS to the SGS1 since its basically the same as the nexusS.
There is your free/ cheap ICS phone that is already available on most carriers, without compromising the system.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 14:43

44. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


Fragmentation can't be killed at this point, it can only be lessen. The SGS1 should definitely get the ICS no matter what. So it should be brought up, my argument are the REAL low end Androids such as Wildfire S, Replenish, Optimus S, Transform and a lot more. Those are just recent models on which the Nexus One is still a higher end in comparison.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 16:14

53. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


none of those have the specs for it. those are 528-800mhz processors with crap GPUs and little system memory.
That is the exact reason why they SHOULDNT be given ICS.

If people get educated over time on ICS and it becomes the version to "have", people will stop buying sub par phones.

Personally, in America, i think that fragmentation will be all but gone by this time next year, exept in prepaid devices and prepaid networks as the bulk of the models that came out this year will be ICS compatible, ICS phones come out to show everyone the differences (hence they will buy ICS over older models).

Fragmentation probably wont disappear within the next few years (everything that is top of the line is eventually bargain basement) at best, but in the main markets like europe, america, and places where higher end handsets are "the norm", it will be a minor issue. The ONLY cheap handset to make it into the top sales brackets are the LG optimus series since its literally on every carrier around the globe it seems.

When ICS gets to about 70% or so adoption among active handsets, i think the issue will be officially "over". ICS wont be seen in poor markets for some time, so u cant get 100% just yet.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 12:08 3

10. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


The only way to make a "lite" version would be to strip out most of the UI improvements, meaning there would be two different looking versions of stock Android. Given the crap Google has been getting for allowing manufacturer skins, and that kind of fragmentation of the market, there's no way it could release two versions of stock that look different.

The point was to create a consistent and prettier UI.

Wow, you really are good at getting me to synthesize ideas. I have to add that into the article.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 12:14

13. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


Thanks.

Because without a "LITE" version of the ICS, I can't imagine manufacturers to still make Gingerbread models all throughout 2012 for low end levels.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 12:32 1

16. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


But the low end phones coming out this and next year will still have enough juice to run ICS. The original Galaxy S seems to be around the baseline, and that's a $49 phone right now. Also, manufacturers are always pushed to have the newest version in launch phones because they need to compete as best they can. ICS could lead to a slower upgrade for low-end devices, or it could push low-end phones to be just a bit better to support it.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 13:34

26. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


I just realized that even if the Nexus One was released to date, it is still better than other new lower end phones now like the HTC Explorer, HTC Rhyme, Samsung Transform etc.
So if these lower end has enough juice for the ICS, so as the Nexus One. And I'm pretty sure XDA will run it on Nexus One pretty soon and it will proove me right.

Bottom line is, Google and its manufacturers are pushing consumers to a new device if they wanna be up to date with the ICS. And it even looks like they want everyone to get a high end model which makes it even worse. The sense of choice is being deminished, at least to me on what it looks like. And as I've said before, for Google and friends, its more profit and less work.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 13:40

29. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


the Rhyme is actually more powerful than the Nexus One and might get ICS. i doubt the Transform and the Explorer will though. the Explorer will probably be just like the Devour.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 13:45

30. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


yeah I guess the Rhyme is just a little better.

so hopefully they realize this sooner rather than never. they managed to make a low end versions of Android since Cupcake up to Gingerbread for low end models, so why not for ICS right?

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 14:00

33. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


relevant low end models start where Michael said, the Galaxy S line with 1GHz Hummingbirds.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 14:04

36. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


Galaxy S line were released as Top of the line/High end models. What I mean are the likes of the free androids on different carriers. Those things shouldnt be left in the dark.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 14:17

40. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


but they will. that's what i had to learn the hard way.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 14:50

45. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


and that's what I'm saying. Google is bad when it comes to software updates, made worse by manufacturers and even worse by carriers.

I'm pretty sure XDA can turn on the lights for those lower end and old models.

Makes me think that Google and friends are getting greedy in a different way being blinded by the technology.

posted on 27 Oct 2011, 14:53

47. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


it's not really...bad. it's bad for people that expect updates when they get them but you get what you pay for. you don't get that guarantee of at least one update with low end phones especially when it comes to an update as major as ICS. that's why i say no getty the low-ends.

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