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The Street says Android users know nothing about their phones

0. phoneArena 24 Jun 2012, 00:31 posted on

Wall Street blog The Street says that Android users are clueless when it comes to their phone, citing a comScore study from April that said that 70% of Android users don't know how to access Wi-Fi with their Android smartphone...

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posted on 24 Jun 2012, 17:14

128. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Keep making excuses we know the reality is most android users are very uneducated

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 17:30

130. Sackboy117 (Posts: 178; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Dude, you're still here?! i thought u moved on with something better to do. u start arguements from posts hours ago, whats ur goal, to try and change opinions of ppl online, what is that ur official job,,, one side wins and the other loses all the time, no one cares about these things except the people in the comments because that wont affect ur life in anyway right, except for u who has a MASSIVE heart attack when u see any anti-Apple hate. Are you paid to this, is this the only happiness u can find (other than ur cat?)

And accoridng to you u claim that iPhone users are more likely to be successful and stuff, but look at you, a BAD example. . . . by ur constant trolling and addiction to this site, u imply the idea that u An iPhone user, has nothing better to do than troll on websites and that u also dont have a life outside of the internet... And dont bother to comment on this cause unlike you, i am not addicted to a website like it's my job. ur sad dude . . .

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 18:04 2

143. tedkord (Posts: 3936; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


And yet, on every tech subject on this forum, you are always wrong, and the android users are always right. I guess you're the exception that proves the rule.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 18:22

149. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


that statement couldnt be any more true. dude is blind to his own ignorance.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 18:53

169. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Well I'm just going off the FACTS.

You guys use friends and family as "proof".

Who's wrong?

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 19:02 1

175. tedkord (Posts: 3936; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


You're not going off facts, you're going off one person's analysis of flawed data. Facts are by definition true. Since we already know that browser stats are flawed, any analysis based on them US flawed.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 02:06

216. Sniggly (Posts: 6495; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I figured you'd agree with the analysis without looking at the basic facts. Eric Jackson (or Jackass) makes the claim about Android users "not knowing" how to turn on Wifi without a shred of proof. All he has is the numbers that 70 percent of American Android users DON'T use wifi. According to one number read.

That number read was NOT the result of going out to Android users and asking them if they could turn on their wifi. He jumped to a conclusion, as did you.

Because you're a dumbass who can't. FU.CKING. READ.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 15:13 1

228. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)


I'm confused. If ios users are soooooo tech savy, why are there stores all around the country full of fat sweaty neckbeards, or "geniuses", who's job is specifically to hold their hands and show them how to turn on their phones, dl an app, answer a call, etc?
What is the android equivalant? Oh, there isn't one sincce MOST users are smart enough to figure it out on their own.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 14:13 1

97. glenwf (Posts: 11; Member since: 14 Jun 2012)


i Am what would qualify as a geek, yet i haven't turned my Wi-Fi on in well over a month and i use the browser maybe once day or less, i rely on Apps and news readers for most things. This means that even though i use my phone heavily i fall into the category of dumb users that don't know their phone or have any loyalty? seems like skewed assumptions and weird math to me...

of course surveys are right 90% of the time except the 48% of the time when they're wrong, plus or minus a 5% error rate and everything posted on the internet is 100% true...

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 14:20 2

101. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


iOS users "man, i need to find some wifi to use this app"
android users "whats wifi? everything I have works over 3g/4g without a hitch. People still use wifi??"

simple explanation for the lack of wifi knowledge on android users parts... if there is such a gap in knowledge.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 19:05

176. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Considering unlimited data is gone wifi is very necessary to avoid throttling and overage fees.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 19:43

183. tedkord (Posts: 3936; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


That's very true. That's what annoys me about Verizon - when I had their dirt slow 3G, they told me I needed unlimited data.

Now that I have LTE, and can actually use my phone for the stuff they advertise it for (streaming video, streaming music, etc...), they want to limit me to a couple of days worth of data per month if I actually do those things. (I've used over 12gb in a month on my line alone)

Well, not me. I'm locking in for two more years of unlimited. Then I'll weigh my options.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 14:38

108. carlos5593 (Posts: 21; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)


How about they do a real study and add all the browsers that work on Android. 7 out of 10 android users don't use the default android browser. Want to know why? Because there are choices on the android ecosystem, because people use (opera, dolphins, chrone,) and all kinds of different types of browsers and most of android OEMs build their own browser, for example Samsung, htc, Motorola, etc. So start thinking (Wall Street).

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 17:15

129. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


It is a real study. 61% of all mobile traffic comes from iOS.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 18:12 1

145. tedkord (Posts: 3936; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Except, as you already know, that traffic statistic does not take into account Android users who set their browsers to desktop, since we can get the full internet on our phones. Those people don't read as being on Android, so the stars are faulty.

You can choose to keep ignoring that fact, but the rest of the folks here know about it, and about how wrong you were about UAStrings.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 18:53

170. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Keep telling yourself that man. Whatever makes you feel better.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 19:08

177. tedkord (Posts: 3936; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


It's a fact. It's the reason opera removed User agent choices from their browser, because it was harming their usage stats. You have Google, look it up. You won't, because you know you're wrong. I even provided you several links, which I'm sure you didn't check out because you feel better shrouded in your ignorance.

You are the perfect proof this blog is wrong. You are as tech unsavvy as they come.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 19:20 1

180. MISTER-H (banned) (Posts: 87; Member since: 28 May 2012)


What kind of low cheap answer was that... He just shutted u up. Why change subject.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 19:28 1

182. MISTER-H (banned) (Posts: 87; Member since: 28 May 2012)


Tacos Fandroids Androids bash u left right down up centre.... And u still come for more. Don't u have no self respect. Dignity. U loose. All the time. And change subject. And then there's no sign of u.... U jealous looser.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 17:49

139. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I'm dying laughing at all the fandroids. You guys troll all day and it always blows up in your face when faced with REAL FACTS.

Guys iPhone 5 is around the corner to crush you.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 18:14 2

146. tedkord (Posts: 3936; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


How is that email about user agents coming along? *snicker*

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 18:59

173. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I emailed them and they never responded. What's funny is you think that all the people doing these studies wouldn't consider that there's other browsers available. Which btw iOS also has plenty of 3rd party browsers.

The facts are that 61% of ALL mobile traffic comes from iOS. you can deny and rationalize anyway you want, but it's a fact.

That's not surprising considering the average android user doesn't even know what wifi is.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 19:52

185. tedkord (Posts: 3936; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


The fact is that every site I visit using Dolphin HD set to desktop agent records my visit as Safari on Mac OSX. The same is true of all Dolphin users set to Desktop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_agent#User_agent_spoofing

http://sillydog.org/forum/important-about-opera-useragent-spoofing-t3373.php

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/05/07/31/1820211/opera-to-stop-spoofing-user-agent-as-ie

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 20:14

188. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


So you think the analytical companies doing these studies don't know about this? I doubt it.

Let's say you're right. Considering 70% of android users don't know how to turn on wifi what percentage of them use a browser set as desktop?

Also I have browsers on my iPad that I can set to be identified as desktop as well.

So if we assume everything you say is right the vast majority of mobile web browsing would still happen on iOS devices.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 20:31 1

190. tedkord (Posts: 3936; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Analytical companies collect server stats from websites, they don't go out and measure anything.

And, since we've already debunked the premise of the blog, anything derived from it is also useless.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 21:56

197. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


So now you want to deny everything in the study? I bet if it said android users are tech savvy you'd have no issues with any of their methods.

Sounds like someone is in denial. How do you rationalize that iOS has all the same 3rd party browsers?

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 22:13 1

201. tedkord (Posts: 3936; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2012/4/iPhones_Have_Significantly_Higher_Rates_of_Wi-Fi_Utilization

There is the actual study. You show me where in it it says that Android users don't know how to use WiFi.

I can save you the time, it doesn't. That was all some blogger looking at the numbers, and saying, "70% of Android users don't use WiFi - that means they don't know how."

As I said before, I can look at it and say, "70% of iPhone users use WiFi - that means their iPhones can't hold a signal."

My analysis is just as valid as his, because it is based on the same data as his.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 22:15

202. tedkord (Posts: 3936; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Do iOS browsers allow the user to choose a different UAString? (I'm asking, I don't know) If not, then it doesn't matter if they have the same browsers.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 15:16 1

229. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)


They probably saw it was from you, thought "taco50, taco50, where have I heard that name......OH! OH SH*T! It's THAT guy! The biggest retard on the net! I've HEARD of this dude!" and then had a good hearty laugh and immediately forgot you exist.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 18:15 3

147. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)


So where we're you when iOS 6 and flyover were getting hammered? You know, the article where Apple maps wanted people to jump bridges, u-turns on one way streets and whatnot. You always celebrate the bad Android news/good Apple news, but you disappear when it's the other way around. Why don't you defend your preferred OS when Weiss being torn to shreds? Are you a fare weather fanboy?

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 18:54

171. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


You do realize its a beta 1 release meant for developers right?

If it performs that way on official release come see me

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 19:13 2

178. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)


How predictable was that response? Is that the best you can do? I can see why you were MIA. There is just no defense for that kind of shabby work.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 20:11

187. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Predictable? How can you judge it for being buggy on a developer release? Do you realize the purpose of the beta release cycle is to work out any bugs?

So again fandroids such as you want to attack iOS for something that isn't meant for public use?

You can't possibly be this dense so you're obviously trolling.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 22:10 1

198. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Yes, predictable. I could have posted your comment for you because i and surely everyone else has heard it all from you before. Wasn't Siri labeled as beta when the iPhone 4S was released? Now why would Apple put out a buggy price of software like Siri for public use before it was ready? SMH

An Apple fanboy, in an Android article, kneeling at the alter of Apple... But I'm trolling? LOL!

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 19:00

174. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


iOS isn't perfect, but it's vastly superior to anything else out there now.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 19:24 1

181. MISTER-H (banned) (Posts: 87; Member since: 28 May 2012)


Its not even a linux. What world do u live in. ... Zombie or lalaland.... Half baked os like windows phone.. Use got another 3 years to catch up with Android. Look to run os it only requires 170 mb of ram. Where Android requires over 490 mb of ram.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 21:24

196. EarnYourLeather (Posts: 86; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)


If you like your phone telling you what to do, then maybe.

I find it utterly ridiculous that if I brought my iPhone to your house and wanted to give you one song [off of it], I couldn't. I would have to sync my entire library with yours or vice versa.

Makes no sense. Even with the manually manage songs and videos option you can only put music onto the portable device, not take music off of it. Not to mention there's just no way to view the files on the iPhone via USB storage- you HAVE to use iTunes or some iTunes substitute client to manage music.

Android? Drag and drop. Three seconds, done. No crap ware, no hassle.

iOS is too locked down and the home screens are getting stale.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 07:26

219. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)


this right here, is bulls**t

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 15:18

230. LOLpple (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 23 Jun 2012)


LOL, can I buy some pot from you? It's obviously amazing.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 19:55 2

186. MISTER-H (banned) (Posts: 87; Member since: 28 May 2012)


Whateverman nice1. That's true he wasn't there. They both
skive of, him and that galli chicken head.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 21:10

194. hybrid06339 (Posts: 22; Member since: 16 May 2012)


any inferences on iOS & Android users' hotness and which group is more narcissistic?

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 21:10

195. EarnYourLeather (Posts: 86; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)


Proud member of the "30%."

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 22:10 1

199. joey_sfb (Posts: 1973; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Purely Android bashing blog. My mom use an LG feature phone even so she do use most of the feature like calculator, voice recording, wma or mp3 play back from the phone SD card. Take photo with that feature phone.

She happy with the phone. So i willing be getting her an android phone next due to one simple fact, with one iPhone purchase, i can buy three mid-range android phones. Even the lowest range android phone should be running gingerbread now and can do everything an iPhone could and more.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 22:32

204. hepresearch (unregistered)


The issue at hand here is that we are actually dealing with four different kinds of common non-enterprise smart-mobile consumers:

1) The conscientious user... they are looking for the cheapest thing they can get that has the functions they are looking for.

2) The social user... they are looking for whatever is 'hip and cool', and that offers at least the most basic functions that they need, and are willing to pay a little extra for it.

3) The convenience user... they are looking for something that they do not have to think about, because it "just works", and they are willing to pay just about any price to find such a device.

4) The power user... they are looking for something that gives them every freedom and capability that they can imagine using, and that performs these heavy tasks with accuracy and precision in a timely manner, and they are also willing to pay a hefty premium for such.

The iPhone is so successful because the newest iPhone will always cater to the convenience user with the highest of loyalty rates... once they are in an iPhone, they will never leave the Apple ecosystem. The iPhone is also very successful among social users because of the 'hip and cool' factor, and because many of these folks do see the iPhone as a status symbol even when available at lower pricepoints (like the iPhone 3GS or 4). Android is extremely successful among power users, who rarely leave the Google ecosystem once they are in it. On the other hand, conscientious users are very likely to enter the market through a free or low-cost Android phone, and then about half of them will transition to an iPhone in their next upgrade because, more often than not, they BECOME a convenience user when they realize that the cheapest Android phones are not always everything they had hoped for... the likes of Huawei, ZTE, Pantech, Casio, and LG can sometimes leave a sour taste in the mouth of a first-time smartphone acquirer... and so they start looking for something that "just works". Then again, an iPhone 3GS can also leave a sour taste in the mouth of a social user if it has iOS 5.x, so occasionally we get a social user who transitions to being a power user... it does happen from time to time.

While BlackBerry has traditionally catered to enterprise users, who saw such devices as status symbols for a while, we really don't see too many sell to common non-enterprise users any more, and they are also losing ground in enterprise as well. Windows Phone, on the other hand, is gaining some traction with convenience users and conscientious users, and occasionally attracts a power user or two. Windows Phone is competing with similarly-priced Android devices, but offers more convenience-styled features... although the customizability of the platform could be found lacking in comparison to similarly-priced Androids.

Continued on next comment...

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 22:32

205. hepresearch (unregistered)


All in all, it seems that power users make up a smaller portion of the market than, say, either convenience or conscientious users, and social users are somewhere in between. Conscientious users will always start out with whatever is most plentiful in the market for the lowest cost (cheaper Android handsets), and hence lag well behind early adopters. Power users seem to drive early adoption, but once convenience users find something that really works for them (often the iPhone 4 or 4S... maybe an occasional Windows Phone in there, too), once they have seen enough reviews or heard reports from others who have been early-adopters, they tend to stick to it like glue. Social users generally follow the power users, but will sometimes join the ranks of early-adopters. Because the convenience user is in one of the larger groups, and is in the most loyal group overall, and the iPhone caters to them most, it should be no surprise that the iPhone is doing so well and raking in so much money. Android, being inexpensive and plentiful on many low-end smart devices, seems to advertise well among conscientious users, but only half or so will remain with the platform after their next upgrade. Furthermore, the power user is becoming more rare in this market over time. Thus, we see the recipe for Android disaster possibly looming on the horizon...

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 23:15 1

209. KFear (Posts: 135; Member since: 06 Feb 2012)


I work at a Sprint Store and NOBODY...almost ...knows about Wifi. "oh...i just leave it on, but what do you mean it doesn't connect???

Android is intimidating to a lot of users, more users than I0S. Sure, that could lead to more people not knowing how to turn Wifi on. It's open source vs closed...that simple. Android will never be more popular IN AMERICA because of that. Americans are, generally, NOT open minded, they are stubborn, and they want a lot of things in life handed to them. If that's IOS, fine...they can buy an iphone if it makes them happy. I'll still have to show them where Wifi is...more than likely

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 23:50

211. aoikemono27 (Posts: 177; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


Dude, could your anti-American sentiments be even more blatant and stupid? Both Google and Apple are American companies. Android also has 50% of the market in the US, which is, from the last time I checked, considered the MAJORITY. Go check out European and Asian markets where they still use SYMBIAN phones, if you want to talk about stubborn. Pretty sure the US is more multi-cultural than a lot of homogeneous countries out there, and so many European countries could only wish for 8% unemployment, if you want to talk about handouts. Did you know the iPhone is the best selling smartphone in Japan right now? *Cough* dumbass.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 01:07

233. KFear (Posts: 135; Member since: 06 Feb 2012)


My statement is for the average smart phone buyer as seen at my store. People do not buy Android because of the OS. They buy on price. As many articles say, this is why Android outsells IOS in the US. I see it everyday in my store. Keep in mind...this is what i see at a downtown Denver Sprint store. I know market share across the globe. I read the same articles that you do. If you ever had the opportunity to work at a phone store, you might be able to see my point. I see, yes, a lot of stubborn people who "just want an iphone". It's funny sometimes. I wouldn't assume i'm an idiot. We all make comments with sometimes serious, outrageous, and sometimes overly critical points of view; the way forums run in general.

posted on 24 Jun 2012, 23:39

210. aoikemono27 (Posts: 177; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


Uh there are dumb people on all sides. It's just that Android is more complicated.There are four buttons (in the US) instead of one big physical one. There are widgets and homescreens and an app drawer instead of just one app grid in the home screen. It is very possible that there actually are that many clueless featurephone upgraded people out there. Just spend five minutes at your local AT&T store. Keep your ears open and pretend to play with some phones. So many issues, even the smallest kinds. Everyone thinks their phone is broken, and come in distraught, but its usually something very simple. These are mostly Android phones, from what I can tell. The iPhone tends to be more automated and require less setup too.

Really? People going onto wifi to watch higher quality youtube videos? That's as bad as the WSJ reasoning.

And WSJ. *cough* Rupert Murdoch *cough* Conservative tabloids *cough* no Murdoch owned media will ever be credible *cough* watch out PhoneArena they may try to phonehack you.

Twisted opinions are twisted opinions. Biased people just love to paint everything else as biased, because they want to justify their own legtimacy. Or just push an agenda. Probably involves lots of Apple shares.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 00:57

213. aahmed215 (Posts: 74; Member since: 18 Jun 2012)


Even if this were true, I wonder how much more Android would dominate the market if their users actually knew of the cool features of their phones.

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 01:30 3

215. Whateverman (Posts: 3158; Member since: 17 May 2009)


There are two major factors that are being considered here that may explained.

1. The iPhone was exclusive to AT&T for the first three years of its existence.
2. AT&T was the first carrier to got to tiered data.

These two things together made wifi a must have for millions of iPhone owners, which represented anywhere from 50 - 80% of AT&T customers over the last 5 years. With the majority of their customers getting only 2GB of data for a data hungery phone, subscribers were being introduced to wifi as a means to avoid going over. Meanwhile, VZW, Sprint and T-Mobile customers were still enjoying their unlimited data plans, and Android devices. With no iPhones or tiered data plans on any of these carriers, Android's popularity and unlimited data plan usage soared. Android users had no need for wifi until recently. So there is no surprise as to why iPhone has the higher percentage of wifi users. They needed it!

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 07:24

218. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)


Apple Fanboys says Android users aren't tech savvy, but yet, a surprisingly large number of iPhone 4 users think that the ''4'' means 4G connection. which is REALLY pathetic. the amount of times i have to tell ppl with iPhone 4 that their device is not 4G capable is just wow.. plus they argue with me saying that their ''data connection is better and faster bcos it is 4G'' so when i launch my browser on my Optimus 3D and they on their iPhone 4 (both at e same time, on the same telco network), my O3D beats the iPhone 4/4s! omg wow! the ''4G'' in the iPhone 4/4s is REALLY AMAZING * sarcasm*

posted on 25 Jun 2012, 07:45

220. xtian1103 (Posts: 352; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)


i'm an ios user since 2007 but i don't believe in this survey. in any smartphone forum i've read, android users most of the time are well aware of how much their ram's are, how much storage, which chip and graphics card etc. their phones have.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 00:19

232. Robert235 (Posts: 49; Member since: 30 May 2010)


I know android like the back of my hand... oh wait whats this on my hand.

posted on 26 Jun 2012, 19:52

234. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


I didn't bother to read the article... knowing that taco's the one who wrote the article.

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