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The Seattle bar that banned Glass over "privacy concerns" has security cameras watching you

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Which is the more present privacy risk: a camera that you may not be able to see that is recording you secretly, but keeps a "limited" record, or a camera that is worn on a person's face with a red light on it, that could connect to the Internet? It's not a question that has a clear answer, but the Seattle bar, the 5 Point Cafe decided earlier today that the latter was far more nefarious, because apparently Google Glass poses more of a "privacy concern" than the security cameras in the bar.

As we reported earlier, the 5 Point Cafe has decided to preemptively ban Google Glass because, as the owner said, it's a place where people want to go, but "don’t want to be secretly filmed or videotaped"... except for the security cameras in the bar of course. We called up the 5 Point Cafe and subtly inquired as to whether the establishment has security cameras. We were told that the bar does have security cameras, but "the tapes only go back a day and a half"

There is a limited history on the security cameras, but that seems to fall under the "secretly filmed or videotaped" category, and that footage could be put on the Internet just like anything recorded by Google Glass. Glass may have an easier path to putting video on the Internet (presumably), but we'd give the "secretly filmed" advantage to the security cameras rather than the weird looking glasses with the red light on them. 

So, if you're going to visit the 5 Point Cafe, just be warned that although Google Glass is banned, you'll still be videotaped the entire time you're there. Of course, if you wear Glass, you may be on the line for an "ass kicking". That sounds a lot like the fearmongering we talked about before, or just an attempt at free marketing for the bar.

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posted on 09 Mar 2013, 15:03 13

1. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6694; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


Whats the point when google glass isnt available for the consumer

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 08:23 2

28. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 4062; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


The point is to protect privacy from a large corporation like Google.

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 11:14 2

33. Droiddoes (unregistered)


Which company was it again that was collecting location data on their users and even secretly taking photos of them through their device and uploading them to a server? Pear? Banana? oh right! apple.

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 11:20

35. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


The point is the owner is saying its ok for him to record you but you can not record him. Sounds like he has some underage customers or this place is a front for something and he is afraid of getting caught. I believe a law should be past that is very simple. If you can record me then i can record you. Do you know how many people this can help. Help many times have you seen a dirty cop or maybe a rep at a store or bar say one thing then do something diferent and treat you like crap. How many times do you think damn I wish i had that recorded. best invention ever

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 13:32

41. Droiddoes (unregistered)


"If you can record me then i can record you."

Nope. His establishment, his rules. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 12:11

39. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6694; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


no ONE cares what u think. and u probably didn't read my comment correctly

posted on 11 Mar 2013, 10:26 2

44. donfem (Posts: 554; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


However, if your favorite Apple came up with the innovation, then it will be "major breakthrough"?

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 15:04 14

2. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5497; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Ceiling cat is watching you... :D

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 08:25 2

29. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 4062; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Security cameras are used in many places.

Come on Michael, you know good and well that this is not the same as the potential invasion of privacy with Google Glasses. You know that many businesses use surveillance cameras and some of them do ban the use of cellphones and cameras. While you may see it as a novel idea, think about how much data one would be anonymously sending Google. It's just another way in my opinion for Google to get eyes into more places.

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 11:15

34. Droiddoes (unregistered)


Hey thanks mike. Because of your....uh...."journalism", I am forced to agree with this...thing. I need a shower, I feel dirty.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 15:16 8

3. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


Dont criticize them michael, jus accept it that if your not wanted in one place you will be welcomed in another. Theres a place for google glass man this jus isnt the place for it :)

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 15:29 2

4. Bernoulli (Posts: 1505; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


Wow, irony at it's best, I wonder what will be the result of this as far as techie people attending the bar

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 15:49 4

5. jfuente11 (Posts: 30; Member since: 06 Nov 2012)


At least with 5 Point Cafe's security camera, videos are controlled in terms of spreading it like a wildfire on the internet. Which would you prefer, being recorded by the bar's management (for security purposes) or by a stranger wearing a Google Glass (which you do not know what their motives or purposes are)?

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 15:52 14

6. Topcat488 (Posts: 1170; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)


This Bar got exactly what it was searching for..."FREE ADVERTISEMENT" !... Again.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 16:05 2

7. evarod48 (Posts: 146; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


this, Alanis Morissette, is what IRONY is

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 16:20 7

8. Droiddoes (unregistered)


This is just terrible journalism. They have cameras for the safety of their staff and patrons in case a bar fight breaks out in, y'know, A BAR. Or someone pulls a gun/knife and gets away, they can be identified.

Totally different from google glass.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 16:32 1

9. MartyK (Posts: 725; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Will it be okay if I bring cell phone with a camera?, how about a regular camera?.
Fair is fair, If they don't want recording device (except theirs), cellphone with camera should be ban also; what says you?.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 18:13 3

13. Droiddoes (unregistered)


I says the same thing I did in my first post: his establishment, his rules. It really is that simple. If you cannot understand why it is in everybodies best interest to have survelience at a bar, then I really don't know what to tell you, and I doubt you'd understand.

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 11:44

37. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Not totally diferent at all. All the reasons you just said is exactly why id why the glasses 24/7 As a person not a bussiness id feel more comfortable. And if he has hidden cameras who to say he doesnt in the bathroom bars like that are known for that

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 15:52

42. Droiddoes (unregistered)


No offense, but that is the most beta thing I have ever heard somoene say. You would wear GG 24/7 just in case something happens? Sounds like a fun way to live life, constantly afraid.

Even on the incredibly small chance he does have cameras in the restroom, who freaking cares? If the dude wants to look at my d**k or watch me fire out a growler, whatever.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 16:59 1

10. madpiyal (Posts: 108; Member since: 11 Feb 2013)


I totally appreciate their incentive. Google glass must not have a camera with it. It surely will make our lives more complex socially. And Mr Michael you always seem to talk more passionately about Google products and you should not be so biased. It just hampers ur writing credibility.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 17:11 5

11. pongkie (Posts: 505; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)


bar with the camera = private property
google glass = anywhere you have access to even on other people's property

see that Michael you missed that part. also you forgot to put this line at the end "This message is brought to you by Google"

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 17:58 1

12. bluescreen (Posts: 154; Member since: 22 Nov 2012)


dear michael.... alan f already wrote an article about this 2hrs before u made yours why do we need to hear about it twice.....SMH

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 18:25 2

14. Droiddoes (unregistered)


"So, if you're going to visit the 5 Point Cafe, just be warned that although Google Glass is banned, you'll still be videotaped the entire time you're there."

You mean like basically every other bar...ever? Hey Mike, I'll let you in on a secret: banks, restaurants, retail stores, schools, auto dealerships, etc etc etc etc ALL use CCTV.
It may be time to either educate yourself on the difference between a business owner protecting their assets/staff/patrons and not wanting customers filming in their establishment.

Or change your tinfoil hat. How does this guy still get work here?

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 19:06 1

15. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1376; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


Last time I remember CCTVs don't upload videos to remote servers in the internet and run FRS scans every 5 seconds

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 19:27 2

18. pongkie (Posts: 505; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)


Actually Michael can have an argument if the bar's CCTV feed is unsecured on the internet that anybody can see. Or if the bar deliberately broadcasts those feed. but if their vids are secured or it's not uploaded to the net it is still private to the bar. the bar should also protect your privacy if you're at their establishment and that is what they are doing by banning the Glass

In the case of Google glass you can walk in or even peek in to another's property took a snapshot in their place recording what ever is happening and walk out and do what ever you want with it without consent. that is a privacy issue

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 19:33 1

19. Droiddoes (unregistered)


His establishment, his rules, you surrender all rights and expectations to privacy when you leave your home and enter the public.

Is it honestly that hard to understand?

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 19:53 1

20. pongkie (Posts: 505; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)


ok fine. Michael is wrong lol

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 11:53

38. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


In the modern world of technology most cctvs do upload to internet or atleast saved onto a computers hard drive which at anytime can be uploaded by the push of a button

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 19:14 3

16. dragonstkdgirl (Posts: 144; Member since: 07 Apr 2012)


A bar where the owner threatens to assault me for the technology I use doesn't sound like an establishment I want to pay money to anyways. Wonder how many techy types in his area will stop hanging out in his dive bar.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 19:22 1

17. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I'm in a bar with friends....I want to take pictures of 1 or some in the group with my camera phone.

Whose to say I dont tilt the phone a lil left, right, up and take a picture of some unsuspecting person? Do I zoom out enough to catch others around us?

If the owner wants to ban Google Glass...he needs to ban cellphones....

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 19:59

21. pongkie (Posts: 505; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)


the issue here is being secretly recorded. the one you described is not discreet and anyone caught in it is accidental.

Google needs to put an LED indicator on the Glass in order to tell that they are recording. e.g orange light when recording blue when it is on. that will put the fears away

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 23:16

24. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-Glass-isnt-the-privacy-killer-the-media-wants-it-to-be_id40507

From the article:

"And, when you’re recording a video, there is a red light that comes on, just like many other cameras. On top of that, if you want to take a picture, you have to either tap the touchpad of Glass, meaning a pretty big and noticeable movement with your arm, or you have to give a voice command, meaning you have to say out loud that you are taking a picture. Can someone explain again how we are supposed to be having our picture taken all over the place without noticing?"

Seems like this owner and some of the folks commenting dont know some of the details of Google Glass. I suggested this in that other article: some of yall just need to read the Google Glass and privacy article...

If one can tap the touchpad of Glass stealthy to take pictures...one can steathly use their camera to take pics, record video...

And checking my phone...if I was using it to record...I can turn the light off.....I can turn flash off on the camera...

The question is...whats really going on with this owner?

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 00:30 1

26. pongkie (Posts: 505; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)


there you go! thanks for the info. your only going to be ass kicked wearing Google glass for looking like a super dork.

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 20:05 1

22. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


Anyone else get the idea of walking in a bar, stopping and slowly scanning the place from left to right like the terminator! Looooool

posted on 09 Mar 2013, 20:44 1

23. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1376; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


Although this project glass is not such a huge issue as lets say Body scanners ...but it brings us to the question - where would all this tech lead to , a phone or some wearable tech is fine because you are I. Control of the device , but what if the tech progresses to a level where implants and contact lenses are developed,there should be a limit to how far technology interferes with physical privacy progress and in a way its good to always have some people resisting and questioning these trends.kudos to the bar owner

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 09:26

31. JC557 (Posts: 1150; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


If you want to make enemies, try to change something.

The year is 2013... it's a time of great innovation and technological advancement...

I never asked for this.

... They cannot stop us. They cannot stop the future.

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 00:00 1

25. tigermcm (Posts: 745; Member since: 02 Sep 2009)


Why is this even news??? The last 2 bars I went into I actually paid attn to the sticker on the door that they have security cameras, hence SECURITY!!!

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 06:47

27. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


'privacy concerns', sounds CREEPY O_o

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 09:09

30. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1633; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


Remind again how people exactly think Google glasses is going to be the end of privacy....stupid bar!

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 11:03

32. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Someone again made a good point about watches. What if they get camera or recording features....is that gonna be banned too? What if it can sync with your phone and the phone shows you what the watch screen sees...

Thats why this banning of Google Glass is a lil short sighted. When the details of iWatch or an Android, Google watch comes out......I hope this issue gets revisited. Lets see if the bar owner is banning watches.

If some establishments do ban cell phones, fine. This is par for the course. If they ban them because of the camera, fine. But dont try to make it like Glass is the only device capable of taking pics or recording stealthly.

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 11:27

36. aahmed215 (Posts: 83; Member since: 18 Jun 2012)


Does the bar ban cameras/video recorders too?

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 12:25

40. DWillyEfect (Posts: 52; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)


Here is the difference that you're being ignorant to. If someone does something stupid in the bar and its caught by the security camera, it may go to the police but nobody else is going to see it. If someone catches it with google glass, it will be on youtube within 30 minutes.

There is a clear difference. The bar may record you, but they're not going to distrubute it to the masses.

posted on 10 Mar 2013, 22:30

43. tigermcm (Posts: 745; Member since: 02 Sep 2009)


30 mins psssssh more like 30 seconds

posted on 11 Mar 2013, 21:44

45. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


If I use my camera on my phone....it can also be on youtube in 30 minutes...or seconds....

Does this bar allow phones? If so....he's either a hyprocrtite....or just fears the unknown.

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