The Nexus 4, Moto X and how Google is changing Android perception from "high spec" to "high experience"
0. phoneArena 05 Jul 2013, 12:44 posted on
As I've tried to remind our readership on numerous occasions in my time here at PhoneArena, we all live in a fishbowl. We all have more intimate knowledge of mobile technology than the average consumer, because we all share a passion for the subject and seek out more information. The trouble is that we are still human, and we don't reflect on our views often enough, and instead we use shortcuts to prove our opinions. So, when a company like Google/Motorola is actively trying to change the conversation around Android, it can take longer to land in our community than the average consumer, because we have so many preconceptions...
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1. papss (unregistered)
Hence the reason I love WP. it just feels better for me
4. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Me too. Although I am a Android fanboy.
60. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Loyal to Nokia but I love Android.
And yes I am a NOKIA + HTC Fanboy.
114. Alex123 (Posts: 238; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
I am also Nokia + HTC fanboy. but do you want Nokia to make some android phone, for me i really want. Samsung use both OS, HTC also and the rumor that Sony will also produce WP but why Nokia seem not clever like the others. If Nokia wants to keep business running, it should make some android phone along with Windows Phone so its customer will have choice to choose
74. akki20892 (Posts: 3742; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
don't lie troll, u r a nokia fan too. lol
77. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Yes but oldskool Nokia. Not nokiawp8®
130. AstronautJones (Posts: 284; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)
I had a N97 and it was the best build of a phone I have ever had.... even as some described it as plasticky at the time. Sliding keyboard was solid and never loosened up.
135. Mittal (Posts: 473; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
MH, my man, what u have written here is cent per cent true!
To each his own. Buy what you need and dont be blinded by the specs.
I am happy with the lag free experience the S4 powered One S gives me.
And where HTC has made me happy is the great hardware + a very pleasant software. I have no need of the power of quad cores and hence saved up on some precious money!
My One S is a keeper for another year and a half!
59. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
WP is a really nice platform. I'm a bit too deep into the Google world to make the switch, but I definitely want to pick up a Nokia as a secondary device.
71. papss (unregistered)
As a fellow N4 owner do you have a problem with the rate at which yours charges wireless? Mine seems to charge really slow on the Nokia pad. Maybe its my bumper?
80. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I have the official Nexus 4 orb charger, and ive had no problems with charging speed. My only issue is that the rubber gets dusty and causes my phone to slip off the charger. That can be annoying.
84. papss (unregistered)
Hmm maybe the charge pad and N4 just dont play great together. Maybe I should pick up an orb then
75. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
Sure go for a second device Michael but I made the switch full time and I'm regretting it deeply, no where near as many features as I like on my android
78. ITEngineer (Posts: 54; Member since: 26 Mar 2013)
dont, i have the Lumia 920 from my job as a work phone, it's awfull, the nokia maps lags like a piece of code that renders from the 1990's, i had to install google maps, the market is not that great either, there is no way to close tasks in a multitasking view.
I tell you the fluidity is nice, but the rest is awful, IE is the worst mobile browser out there.
83. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Even if the experience isn't the best, I want one just for work purposes. I don't like writing about things I haven't tried. Between my wife and i , we have android and iOS covered, but I want to be able to test stuff on WP before writing about it
87. papss (unregistered)
I disagree with most of which you said actually.
1. I've never had any lag on nokia maps and truth be told they are actually one of if not the best maps out there. I've yet to experience any lag.
2. Closing windows, hold the back button, select the window you want to close and then hit back again.
3. Boy I'm not sure what to say here... What you feel about mobil IE is what I feel about chrome. I actually like IE (Mobil only) and think its pretty fast. What I do hate is no flash though.
109. hms2407 (Posts: 94; Member since: 25 Apr 2013)
a couple of weeks back i bought a lumna 520 and it was full of issues.sometimes the camera app would'nt open or bluetooth didnt turned on..sometimes the camera app would crash and this mostly happened before taking a snapshot,the browser for the most part was great but desktop pages like PA were laggy and same is said for the nokia maps,Wp8 store wasnt great either...my experience with wp8 wasnt good :(
2. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4526; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Android was & is a VERY ambitious OS. When Android first came out the OS was limited by the specs of its time. A single core device couldn't handle what Android was giving. Android was that intuitive that people kept sticking with them because of what you can actually do with the Android OS.
Now the specs have caught up with the OS to the point that the experience is EXCELLENT & just purely awesome.
Yes there was a time when Android had some lag but people who knew about the inner workings of the OS knew Android was offering something others can't match & that is why Android has moved to the number 1 mobile OS in the world & soon to be the number one OS around. Today’s specs make Android a dream to use & to multi-task with.
Apple knows Android is the future, you want to know why?!?!?
Ask iOS 7.
23. biophone (Posts: 1898; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
For most people ios and android deliver a good experience. I don't see either one of them going away anytime soon. The future isn't going to be just android thats for sure. More then 1 os will exist.
27. Igneel (unregistered)
Maybe all those hardware that can eliminate bugs has been available after the early years of Android but was kept secret to gain more profit *sudden clarity clarence*
61. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I think your view is just slightly off. The more realistic description is to say that Google is a more forward thinking company and is more willing to take risks, and because of that they try a lot more things, even if they end up failing (as it looks like NFC will).
Apple doesn't take as many risks. Apple tries to perfect the features it deems worthwhile, and never ship anything that's half-baked. Even though its products (Maps/Siri) can't always live up to the hype, the products launch with a level of polish that Google doesn't work towards.
Google releases early and iterates often. Apple releases late but more polished. But, they're both going to the same place.
98. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I'm not ready to give up on NFC just yet. True, it's taking a lot longer than it should to take off because Apple is choosing not to support it, and we all know the iPhone fans will not question Apple's judgement. Not to mention all the carriers limiting its uses, ie: locking out Google Wallet so that a yet to be released ISIS can pad thier pockets. NFC is not getting the help it deserves, but I think if we "the techies" can show the benefits to the general consumer, it can do well.
All that said, once again... great article!
124. pkiran1996 (Posts: 165; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)
I'm an Android fanboy. But I'd rather have Apples AirDrop feature than Android Beam
125. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
AirDrop looks cool so far, but really how much different is AirDrop from ShareShot. I'm thinking more about mobile payment and things like that. And we all know AirDrop will be iOS only, Apple never shares.
117. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
Half baked=maps. They've actually release it just to take a shot to google even if it's not a perfect one. They've took the risk one time (maps) and ended up with their ceo apologizing.
120. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
But, now no one even talks about Maps, which means it has gotten improved enough so people keep using it. It started out as a big joke, but now it's a really taking usage from Google Maps.
123. pkiran1996 (Posts: 165; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)
What if no one talks about it anymore simply because they switched to Google Maps?
126. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Possible but unlikely. If everyone were switching to Google Maps, it wouldn't have dropped to #9 on the top free apps list in iTunes.
A lot of people are using Google, but there are also a ton using Apple and having no issues.
3. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Too much lengthy article.
Ain't nobody got time to read that. xD
57. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
If you don't got time to read, don't waste our time with a comment. Simple courtesy.
62. Potato. (banned) (Posts: 607; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Why so serious?
I was just kidding.
86. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
That's what little kids do joke around and make them self look like a fool!
I believe this potato is ExperiaDroid cause he speaks and acts like him. ®
90. papss (unregistered)
I believe you have been many before too correct? Appleandroid ?
94. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Smart boy Papss yes I agree. But that account was created cause of Chaoticrazor posting his usual bullying and picking on other users calling them kids.
But look at Experiadroid he uses tech2 polrt3 polrt2 I hate smart phones potato and thumbs his own comment that's so low. ®
Anyway papss how is you ....
99. papss (unregistered)
I'm doing well..still trying to adjust back into android with all the tweaking here and there. You have any suggestions for a good lock screen launcher?
100. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Apex and few others papss can't recall.
Papss where are you from bro?
I'm in UK London
Any plans for weekend?
113. papss (unregistered)
We throw a huge fireworks show every year so we are doing that Saturday night. :)
I would have owned the 808 had I been into phone tech like I am now.
103. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Papss any plan of buying that Nokia Eos? I'm definitely will in a month or 2 months time. But won't be liking wp8, wish it was wp9 or S60 Symbian. But still it will be taking great superb pictures. Can't wait.
112. papss (unregistered)
If it really does take great photos then I will buy it right away. I just want a few previews first. I want the phone for soccer pictures of my son, im so tired of carring around my nikon. I live in the US
108. SleepingOz (unregistered)
Because it takes a lot of time and effort to write quality articles like this. And it's really annoying to have some stupid trolls like you to come and leave irrelevant and nonsensical comments in return. If you didn't want to read the article, at least show some respect to the author!
What's funny is that you said you don't have time to read that, yet you have plenty of time to create multiple accounts, log in/log out/switch between them to troll nearly every artcicle on here, like and reply to you own comments etc..
See the irony?
96. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)
104. SleepingOz (unregistered)
Lemme guess; Micheal hurt your feelings(as Potato), but you didn't want to publicly show your butthurt, so you logged into your other "anonymous" account(ihatesmartphone) to troll harder.
Get a life, dude!
128. darkkjedii (Posts: 13894; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Well said. Potato you are a techie rite?
5. smallworld (Posts: 448; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
Sounds like an excuse to charge midrange specs at an premium price...
12. HASHTAG (unregistered)
Not really, I wouldn't mind paying a premium price to have a better experience on a smartphone vs. paying a premium price for phones with high specs, but horrible software.
48. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Except that's not the direction Android is going.
The Nexus 4, at launch, had high-end specs at a low-end price. About eight months later, it's a mid-range device at a low-end price.
6. Smart (Posts: 76; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
Michael every article you write takes me through a new ride of ideas and unique view points...
Completely agree with you on the argument that at the end of the day it is how one connects with the device that stands out much against the common expectation of beefed up hardware...
Nexus lines of devices are amazing piece of both art and technology....
What we all tend to forget is that there is hardly anything as a future proof device....if we keep fueling this wild debate of better specs equals better device then we will never be satisfied with any device......
Just as they say "best camera is the one you have with you".....so is this "the best smartphone is the one that you are holding right now....cause it connects with you"...
15. Commentator (Posts: 2615; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
"...we will never be satisfied with any device..."
This sentiment is thrown around a lot, and frankly I don't agree. Whenever I get a new device, I am in awe of it (I wouldn't get it if I didn't), and yet even over time, when new technologies are being unveiled and my device is slowly becoming more and more outdated, I am still happy with it, as it has brought me joy and wonder throughout my days. That being said, I still dream of a future of ever more powerful smartphones and tablet, and rejoice when something that I deem beautiful is announced, no matter that it trumps my current device and that I don't have it and most likely won't (usually [aw heck, always] for financial reasons).
People just need to sit back, suppress their inclinations to envy and judgment, and bask in the glory and beauty of the industry, of this "mobile world." Whether you see this beauty in increased specs or increased user-experience, to me anyways, doesn't matter.
41. Smart (Posts: 76; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
I perfectly agree with your point.....But kindly take this into consideration that I never said that technology must not progress.....
I am more than excited to explore a new high spec or a high feature "mobile device" on my own but that experience should not in any way discount the fact that current crop of smartphones(likes of S4,HTC One etc) are no less amazing on their own...
Just because we are on the anvil of future does not mean that everything from the past is boring and outdated...
46. Commentator (Posts: 2615; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
I think we're both of the opinion that no phone can discount any other phone, in that they are all amazing in their own right, and I don't think many people espouse this idea.
I've seen so many instances of people being angry that their phone is outdated within a month of their purchase, and I don't understand that at all: how can you be anything other than elated that the industry is moving this fast? You have to have understood this to be a possibility. I understand it is "basic human nature" to always want "the best" of whatever it is, and people naturally will feel angered at no longer having "the best," but seriously, as paulyyd said below in Comment #25, "they're just phones." Take them for what they are. Nothing's being lost in having a less-than-perfect phone.
63. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I don't know about "never" being satisfied, but I could definitely get behind the sentiment that we will never "stay" satisfied. The mobile world moves too fast, and we trade in for new devices far too often to worry that much about future-proofing.
7. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)
Well written. It's unfortunate that most people on here are spec obsessed when the real issue is the software. Battery life is a constant complaint and its all because of this pathetic android spec race.
10. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Really when using S600 on S4 and E4412 on S3 you can tell a big diffrene in speed. So it does really matter when using a Better much powerful CPU, tasks apps and other ruining things on Android will speed and load much faster.
Try putting a S800 on a Lg Nexus you will fly one apps to another in seconds with no stuttering and lag.®
Android laced cause it use to use crappy CPU, until S4pro S600 A15 came and demolished lag and stutters. Give credit to the CPU and Ram.
16. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)
It only matters because android software is not optimized for the hardware it runs on. Ios runs perfectly fluid and fast on single core and dual core processors. Same goes for windows phone.
Brute force processing power has helped mitigate the issue for Android; after years of lag. But at the cost of battery life. 2600 mah in the Galaxy S4 and it can still only can match the run time of the iPhone with a battery almost half the size.
19. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Android is full OS running Linux.
It needs CPU power and lots of Ram.
Try put Android on IPhone, will lag like hell cause its still an unmatured os.
Wp8 needs just 140 mb to run its OS
JB needs 512mb Ram to run.