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The HTC One M8 for Windows goes toe-to-toe with the competition in our early camera comparison

0. phoneArena 20 Aug 2014, 09:28 posted on

Yesterday, HTC execs took to a stage in New York and pulled the veils off a device we've been expecting for quite a while: the HTC One M8 for Windows...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 09:32 6

1. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4408; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


I am an HTC fan but I have to admit, that 4MP POS on the HTC One M7, M8, & now the M8 WP is utter garbage. If HTC would put a boss 13MP on those phones I am sure it will sell at a higher clip than it's selling.

HTC is dropping the ball on the camera department & people are noticing!

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 10:13 2

4. terabyteRouser (Posts: 452; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


im not sure if you're seeing what i see in these photos. but the htc one (both versions) actually outperform the galaxy s5 in many of these photos.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 11:02 4

11. xperian (Posts: 69; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)


that's because s5 camera uses weird that boosts contrast and makes all shadows completely black. so photos have brighter colours, but are worse overall

posted on 24 Aug 2014, 12:43

53. gamblor77 (Posts: 75; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


I will admit the auto mode of the S5 isn't the best... but I garuantee you if they turned on HDR there would be no comparison. S5 would win hands down over everyone else. I honestly don't know why you wouldn't keep HDR turned on 80% of the time?

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 10:26 3

6. register (unregistered)


Agreed. They could have sold 2-3 times more phones with 13MP camera. And still putting 4MP on M8 WP is just BS.

posted on 22 Aug 2014, 15:09

51. Rwoods716 (Posts: 1; Member since: 21 Aug 2014)


Doesn't anyone realize that megapixels have nothing to do with it unless you zoom in on the photo after you take it? A 1080p display is 2.1 MP. No one can tell the difference. 4.3 MP is still better than 1440p!

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 09:37

2. darkvadervip (Posts: 343; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)


I hope AT&T get the one with the better camera.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 10:11 6

3. tech2 (Posts: 2437; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


Lumia 1520 seems to be producing very inaccurate colors :/ .....There seems to be a faint bluish tint in all of its shots apparently.

However, the night images are pretty good but during the GS5 takes the cake. Also the camcoder capabilities & software features of GS5 are better too.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 10:23 5

5. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2058; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)


ALL tech reviewers and camera specialists have given the Lumia 1520 the nods over the GS5. Also, coming to the camera app and software features, the stock WP app isn't to the level of the S5's camera app, but the Nokia Pro Cam app blows away anything the S5's camera app has to offer.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 10:39 6

7. tech2 (Posts: 2437; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


DOXmark disagress:http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles

Now that I've demolished your claim for 'ALL tech reviews'....

L1020 which is much better then L1520 is 7th on the list and the new Lumia 925 is 9th on the list. Galaxy S5 is 1st !!!

Now if you can send me a link to a website who has more experience, is more reliable, has won more awards and take upto 1000 image in different exposure for each camera then let me know.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 11:13 5

12. rsiders (Posts: 301; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)


So 6 phones with cameras better than the Lumia 1020 and somehow the Galaxy S5 is first. Really, they need to stop.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 11:50 7

17. elitewolverine (Posts: 2058; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


same comment again without actually taking the review into account and the scores? Let me repeat my comment then too.

Mainly for video, not pictures. This was also before the RAW format which greatly improved color (which is the lowest on the photo scores vs the s5, but other scores like noise etc blow the s5 away). It was also a late aug 2013 test vs ones done in march/jan with later builds and raw.

http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Nokia-Lumia-1020-overview-Has-the-best-got-better

http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Samsung-Galaxy-S5-overview-Joint-leader-in-DxOMark-Mobile-rankings

"In summary then, the Nokia Lumia 1020 is one of the best camera phones for stills, but its video performance could be improved which lowers the overall ranking to fourth place.

In fact, under low light conditions the Lumia 1020 outperforms rivals, producing still images with low noise and detail preservation that are simply the best we’ve ever seen from a smartphone."

Not only that, once it got RAW format, it is still the only phone to go through the actual DXOmarks CAMERA test, not just the mobile test. Meaning it was up against dedicated cameras not phones.

http://petapixel.com/2014/01/27/dxomark-puts-lumia-1020-test-dedicated-camera-see-stacks/

ROFL nice try though

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 12:17

19. tech2 (Posts: 2437; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


Don't kid yourself......What is your definition of 'actual DXOmarks CAMERA test' ? They basically follow the same testing procedures. Read their testing methods.

Also, I didn't see anywhere on their website saying it can't be even compared to other phones but only cameras. Please give me the link if I am saying otherwise.

It scored less because even inspite of having RAW Lumias didn't match on the OVERALL camera capability of S5 and Z2 as simple as that. Lumia has very poor video recording and it takes ages to take a picture and process it. Not to mention the colors are heavily over saturated in ample lighting conditions.

Even GN3 was compared to a DSLR and it had beaten it that doesn't mean it can't be compared to other camera phones:http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-3-vs-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-video-comparison-results-will-surprise-you_id55754

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 12:34 3

21. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2058; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)


Ok kid, the S5 takes better photos and videos than any Lumia on the market. You happy now?

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 13:19 3

23. elitewolverine (Posts: 2058; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


79 vs 80 in none raw format is not being killed by the s5 like you are trying to make it or the preception you give off. I gave you the links, did you not see it?

Do you not know the difference between the mobile test and the non-mobile test? No? Well i cannot teach you nor read for you, go check the link i provided, the third one.

"When DxOMark tests out the quality of mobile phone cameras, they usually classify and rank them as such. There’s a whole mobile section to the site where one can compare different smartphone cameras using a different scoring system.

The thing is, the Lumia 1020 is no typical smartphone. Nokia has touted it as a camera first, and it seems DxOMark was listening. When they put the Lumia 1020 through its paces, they tested it as a full-fledged camera. And it didn’t perform half bad.

After going through the battery of tests DxOMark uses, the phone came out 222 out of 242 cameras tested; and even though that might seem like a very low ranking, understand that this means a cell phone beat out 20 real cameras. Besides, if you read the conclusion, you’ll see that the testers were sufficiently impressed:"

Right there in the link, the tests are different. Surprise.

Also RAW is a storage format used to edit the photo, meaning the idea of 'color' cannot match the s5 is false because you can change so many settings in the RAW format that negates any advantage that the post processing the s5 does when saving to jpeg.

Wait now you want to use phonearena? for video when i was talking about photo and admitted the reason for the low score is video? uhhh ok, now your just making no sense. Should i just type into google, lumia 1020 vs.... and find how many phones it destroys? including the old s4 zoom?

Lets use your dxo link. 79 for S5 vs 74 for 1020 overall, in photo 80 vs 79 wow a whole point. When on the scale the color (not in raw format) was 56 vs 82.

Then again look at the pros and cons of each one. Here are the links

http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Nokia-Lumia-1020-overview-Has-the-best-got-better
http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Samsung-Galaxy-S5-overview-Joint-leader-in-DxOMark-Mobile-rankings

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 13:55

27. tech2 (Posts: 2437; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


Okay so the Lumia might be better in few specific areas like RAW but it isn't a better OVERALL camera and in my original post I was talking about the overall camera performance! GS5 beats Lumia inspite of not carrying that bulge like Lumia is in itself a pretty huge deal.

and as far as I can see it won in photography (even tho by a small margin) & video recording (by a mile) and this is what most users will ever care about.

GS5 is better then Lumi 1020 ....DEAL WITH IT !

posted on 22 Aug 2014, 01:29 1

48. -box- (Posts: 3878; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


I have a 1020, my wife has a GS5.

Guess which one we use to take photos and videos that we actually care about saving and/or sharing? I'll give you a hint: It isn't one made by a Korean brand.

The S5 is a good phone with a good camera, and is definitely up in the top five android phones and cameras. However, it's still inferior to the Lumia 1020 (already a year old!), 1520, 930/Icon, and of course the 808 PureView. It even loses out to the relatively archaic N8 in most respects. They even outclass dedicated Samsung android cameras like the S4 Zoom and the other one with the huge lens that was still also an android phone.

Give kudos where they're due: When it comes to mobile cameras, Nokia hasn't yet been beaten, and likely won't be for some time, if ever.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 13:45 3

24. arenanew (Posts: 217; Member since: 30 Dec 2013)


hello idiot 1020 is far better than ur crap and ameture , hanging not optimiseb stolen android phone s5 or z2

posted on 21 Aug 2014, 00:19 1

34. ManusImperceptus (Posts: 684; Member since: 10 Jun 2014)


Which simply goes to show that your DOXmark aren't to be taken seriously...

Check out Steve Litchfields camera phone tests; utterly thorough, and explained in detail.

posted on 21 Aug 2014, 04:03

37. tech2 (Posts: 2437; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


Now just because the review isn't in your favour the you decided it isn't suppose to be 'taken seriously' ?! ...........Seems legit.

posted on 21 Aug 2014, 08:40 1

40. elitewolverine (Posts: 2058; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Actually that is kind of what you did there. They provided links (from the source, and showed how their scores are different), can probably provide photo comparo (which has been done with from what i see the 1020 still better in photos). The advantage of RAW negates any color disadvantage it had in the test provided and offers much more to the scene as well.

Where it looses is video, then again we are comparing a phone from 2013 to a 2014, a year apart with a chip that can handle 4k vs one that cannot. When restricted to 1080p the 1020 holds its own quite well.

In other words, the s5 is a great device, currently the defacto phone. Considering there is a 5min recording limit in 4k, and that the 1020 still has advantages in the camera that the s5 doesnt. It is a user choice. Better pictures or better video.

posted on 21 Aug 2014, 09:03

41. tech2 (Posts: 2437; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


For better pictures GS5 is still better for an average consumer only in the RAW department L1020 is better.

I say this because a normal consumer wouldn't care of RAW files to sit and edit in photoshop. That's the job of a professional. Most are just concerned with taking a picture and uploading on social networks that's it.

posted on 21 Aug 2014, 11:05

42. elitewolverine (Posts: 2058; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/19716_Camera_head_to_head_Nokia_Lumi.php

Just dont take night shots ;)

http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/19716_Camera_head_to_head_Nokia_Lumi.php

It's neck and neck, then again, if you are buying the 1020 you are not doing so because you are average. You will be using iso/shutter speed, manual focus. Post processing and more. If you bought it for anything other than taking advantage of what it does best. Might as well buy a 920/925/930/1520 Or yes the S5

posted on 21 Aug 2014, 13:19

44. tech2 (Posts: 2437; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


So instead of trusting an independent and reliable reviewer (which has won several awards) like DOXmark you want me to believe a comparison which is posted on ALL.ABOUT.WINDOWS.PHONE ?! Lol even I can post several links from sammobile touting their quality but they aren't always fair.

So why post a video if had to go under so many sampling ?
Watch this video (shot entirely with Note 3 in 4k) and tell if it doesn't look mind blowing even your 720p display. You don't necessarily need a 4k television to enjoy a 4k video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dlXIzOzLss

'Nuff said. Cya

posted on 21 Aug 2014, 15:09 1

45. elitewolverine (Posts: 2058; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


You mean like posting a link for pa? I could post more but it would be pointless. I mean look at the video you posted, he even used a Canon t4i to get the note 3 to stabalize. Hardly 'amature' usage.

Because you called out average user. Most average people will not have a system that supports 4k, nor will they have a conversion tool to reduce the size that wont down sample it to 4k. And when you upload to youtube it downsamples already as well for streaming. Again all that work.

I could post videos of actual short films shot with the 1020, using its real OIS, and better focusing too. But hey it's only 1080p......

Cya oh wait you said that, sorry you had to keep going on and on and yet still proved nada.

posted on 21 Aug 2014, 22:04

47. tech2 (Posts: 2437; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


haha..lol........whatever floats your boat man. Keep living in your bubble not my problem.

You must really be daft to give me that PA link excuse. PA is just a news reporter and they didn't actually carry out the test smart ass.

That video link was still better then yours where the uploader has down sampled a 4k video. Also why does anyone need a tool to down sample a video when YT accepts 4k ?! and again when streaming its at YT's end and you don't require any tool here too.

Inspite of that your own video L1020 had a weird blue tint in the first half of the video and the colour accuracy of GS5 was spot on but of course.....

You're too blind to see beyond your point that's why I said cya. No need to get butthurt about it.

posted on 21 Aug 2014, 11:15 1

43. elitewolverine (Posts: 2058; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


And then we want average right? Well this is pretty average. Most average people wont have a 4k monitor nor software to support it. They will take the video and upload it to youtube. It could be a faulty s5, but here is a good example of 4k video put into a editor that had to downsize it to 1080p, then upload to youtube (which does further sampling)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2-yofwjgGY

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 10:40 3

8. Beijendorf (Posts: 327; Member since: 27 Aug 2013)


Seriously PhoneArena, how do you keep messing up specifications?

Both the HTC One (M8) for Android and the HTC One (M8) for Windows have an f/2.0 aperture. How did you manage to get that wrong TWICE in an article focusing on the HTC One (M8) camera?

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 10:56 2

10. kenluvs (Posts: 2; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)


Yess! I have to agree...It's confusing that Phonearena is giving wrong aperture sizes. Btw, the photos look good to me. Just it's kinda small. It's great :D

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 10:55 3

9. EiadAjam (Posts: 4; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


That's wrong
iPhone's Aperture is F2.2 not F2.0
& Htc one m8 for android is F2.0 not F2.2

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 11:13

13. theguy2345 (Posts: 275; Member since: 24 Jun 2014)


I barely ever use the camera on my phone, so I don't mind the lackluster quality on the m8. It actually outperforms the camera on my Lumia 810, and it is 8 megapixels

posted on 22 Aug 2014, 01:37

49. -box- (Posts: 3878; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Megapixels aren't everything. The 810's camera was average, and not a PureView-class unit like the 920, 925, 928, 930/Icon, 1020, and 1520 models. If one were to crop the 8MP images from your 810 to 4MP to match the One-series' maximum size, what result would we get? The One-series probably has better software now, being over a year newer, and better actual optics, and should be superior in low light. That aside, the 810 can hold its own for what it is.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 11:16 1

14. jphillips63 (Posts: 185; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Why the hell are you comparing this camera you have already done so when this phone was released on android. It's the same freaking phone for gods sake only difference is the OS

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 11:25 1

15. amats69 (Posts: 1129; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


you dont know what your talking about...

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 11:39

16. newuser1 (Posts: 116; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


G3 result is better.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 11:57 3

18. DontHateOnS60 (Posts: 863; Member since: 20 Apr 2009)


1520 showed the most detail in all pics except for the last, where its clear it wasn't steady and didn't have a great focus.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 15:04 2

29. myclevername (Posts: 94; Member since: 07 Jun 2010)


I am holding my breath for the possible 1525. On Tmobile. Before Christmas. Please phonegawds, hear my prayer.

posted on 21 Aug 2014, 21:56 1

46. elitewolverine (Posts: 2058; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


I am hoping too, saw it in person when a MS rep visited Tmobile. Beautiful red. Couldn't play with it though, he had it firmly in his hand. Also talked about a 1020 successor and he smiled and told me to wait since I was about to pull the trigger on a 1020 with the bonus.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 12:31 3

20. magnum44 (unregistered)


Nice hardware ... shame about the software

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 12:56 2

22. Deaconclgi (Posts: 328; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


Nice comment ... shame about the off-topic negativity

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 18:33 1

33. gazmatic (Posts: 628; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)


isnt the m8 for windows the second fastest phone out right now? august 20 2014

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 13:47

25. QuadFace (Posts: 80; Member since: 19 Aug 2013)


I love my HTC knowing that it failed on camera department, it doesn't stop me from buying HTC, HTC forever.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 13:47

26. xplayer57 (Posts: 29; Member since: 24 Dec 2012)


Disappointed

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 13:57 1

28. javy108 (Posts: 164; Member since: 27 Jul 2014)


I really like G3.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 15:28 1

30. sachouba (Posts: 40; Member since: 08 Jun 2014)


I think the HDR mode of the S5 has been turned off (although it is activated when you first boot the phone), and maybe the camera stabilization for low light conditions too (it is activated by default too). That is why the building is so dark and the sky behind the restaurant and the wall are burnt like this.
When I take photos with my S5 (with the HDR turned on, as it goes as fast as when it is deactivated and takes way better photos), I NEVER have as dark shadows as on the first photo, or a burnt sky like on the others.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 16:34

31. only1post (unregistered)


Can't tell which camera is the best or worst from this pictures but I know the best looking two phones on the far left there are the worst due to common factor financed by MS.

posted on 20 Aug 2014, 17:42

32. gigaraga (Posts: 1381; Member since: 29 Mar 2013)


Sorry, but UltraGimmick Camera is back, with even worse dynamic range.

posted on 21 Aug 2014, 00:22

35. ManusImperceptus (Posts: 684; Member since: 10 Jun 2014)


"Its premium-feeling and looking aluminum unibody"

It's not a unibody. It's clearly cut across at the top and bottom to be able to receive calls, as goes for all metal phones. One of several reasons why I personally don't see metal phones as particularly 'premium'...

posted on 21 Aug 2014, 01:38

36. erikngn (Posts: 7; Member since: 14 Aug 2014)


G3 is best as usual.

posted on 21 Aug 2014, 07:32

38. alexvv (Posts: 99; Member since: 16 Oct 2013)


dear phone arena the 5s has an f/2.2 aperture and both ones have a f/2.0

posted on 21 Aug 2014, 07:34

39. alexvv (Posts: 99; Member since: 16 Oct 2013)


g3's ois has the upper hand in almost any situation. it's pity so few phones sport an ois.

posted on 22 Aug 2014, 01:39

50. -box- (Posts: 3878; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Is the G3's a physical OIS like a PureView Nokia Lumia or a digital one like Samsung and apple's?

posted on 23 Aug 2014, 07:30

52. alexvv (Posts: 99; Member since: 16 Oct 2013)


g2, g pro 2, nexus 5, g3 (all these high-end lg phones) have a physical ois (o for optical).

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