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The Burning Platform

0. phoneArena 10 Oct 2012, 08:37 posted on

Nokia is a remarkable company. It has walked the long, long road from being a single pulp mill in 1865, to a telecommunications giant in the early 21st century. Named after the small Finnish town of Nokia, the company has gone through a number of tough moments in its history, but it has always found a way to go on and swing its way back to the top...

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posted on 11 Oct 2012, 11:05

95. prabhsahni92 (Posts: 3; Member since: 06 Oct 2012)


Baddshah[NOKIA] ek baaki saare faill.....(king is one[NOKIA] ...others ARE bulls**tts )

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 19:15

96. jack1059 (Posts: 72; Member since: 31 Mar 2012)


What a load of codswallup. Nokia went from a slowly declining market leader with an aging, yet still selling OS. A clear transition path to a new OS. To a global zero. From 35% or so worldwide market share and profits. To 4% and massive losses. All under elop. And shares now listed as junk status. You accept this as a long term strategy? No offence to you, but youre an idiot. Elops made so many blunders he's either a trojan horse or he's the dumbest ceo in corporate history. Neither qualifies him to be ceo. But too late. Damage is done. Nokia will never be anymore than at best microsofts manufacturing arm.Thats at best. More likely scenario is they will (presently are) be ignored by microsoft now that theyve gotten nokia maps, nokias patents and destroyed the company. Microsoft will now produce their own handsets and nokia will most likely be sold. That my friend is no strategy.

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 00:41 2

97. ChiX017 (Posts: 308; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)


I Love this article! Everyone loves Nokia devices even Andriod fans, but too bad, cause they'll never join it's for their own good in the long run. Windows Phone for Life!

posted on 14 Oct 2012, 06:22

116. epdm2be (Posts: 185; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


Saying they 'love' them or actually putting money where your mouth is, are completely different things. The first is done by the hypocrites; "I love Nokia but I bought a fregging Sams**t"

The other is done by people like me, realising that what Nokia now needs is MONEY! I BOUGHT Nokia's. In fact I bought 4 Nokia 701's, one X7, one Lumia 800 and last year I bought 2 C7-00's.... THAT'S how you support Nokia!

posted on 14 Oct 2012, 16:29 1

120. ChiX017 (Posts: 308; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)


Nice, i actually dropped my LG Optimus 3D for Lumia 710, last month

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 17:30 1

100. epdm2be (Posts: 185; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


"Finally, Stephen Elop came along in late 2010, announcing that the company was sitting on the burning platform that Symbian was."

...but as it turned out WP7 is the actual burning platform...

"1. To continue developing MeeGo and phase Symbian out;"

This was more or less the original plan.
-Replace Symbian with meego for the high end smartphones
-Replace S40 with Symbian for mid to lowrange models
-phase out S40 since featurephone sales have halted anyway.

They should have stayed on THIS plan.

"the man decided to go with what he felt closest to his heart, and that was Microsoft"

According to his own interviews he first did talk to Google. He probably wanted to enforce some kinda deal. I think to exchange cash and the license for Google apps for free or something like that. But as Google didn't want to discourage its other (paying) partners, they didn't took the bait. That's when he turned to Microsoft and made a deal with the devil.

"A fresh system with a solid base, and a strong partner in Microsoft, which was going to take care of the nasty stuff like building a developer community and creating an ecosystem of content."

You mean an immature limited and crippled OS and a backstabbing creep of a partner with a long history of betraying its other partners. Whom failed to create an ecosystem of any significance prior to Nokia's collaboration with other partners like Samsunbg and HTC.

"but at the end of the day, what more could it provide than the basic experience one could already get from a Symbian handset."

... which Windows Phone 7 CAN'T provide at all. I would say having all the features of Symbian PLUS catering for higher display resolutions and future multicore cpu's is ALL they needed to fight back.

"Could this be Nokia again, riding on the wings of Windows Phone?"

Nope. Because in the mean time Samsung has become a much better player to push the WP8 handsets. I predict a shift of love towards Samsung or HTC (again) by the end of 2013.

You also seem to forget that part of the Microsoft-Nokia deal was for Nokia to stop developping competive smartphone OS's for the next 3 years (the mean reason why Nokia doesn't openly pursue further Symbian development and probably reason for the name change). Since S40 is not considered a smartphone OS, Nokia resuscitated this OS and began improving it as a potential backup in the low-range.

Whatever the motives are of Mr. Elop. I (and many fellow Nokians), don't like it. We believe that Nokia HAS made the wrong decision and will eventually fail completely. Selling its HQ won't be enough...

posted on 30 Oct 2012, 00:04

135. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


"This was more or less the original plan.
-Replace Symbian with meego for the high end smartphones
-Replace S40 with Symbian for mid to lowrange models
-phase out S40 since featurephone sales have halted anyway."

this is so true!! this should be what they do!!!

i feel sorry for symbian right now!!! they should really continue symbian coz it deserve to live!!! replace the s**tty s40/s40 touch!!! coz it is still not a smartphone!! they are fooling people big time!! i really hate the new nokia!!!

nokia fans knows what is right! and what is the real nokia!

posted on 13 Oct 2012, 12:57

110. matwind (Posts: 2; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)


what that i am seeing is that nokia should choose profitable Android as their main OS for now and when they financial stablized they can change to any OS that they preferred.. as example samsung using android as their main OS and making a lot of profit from it..with all of these profits it will be easy for them to change to another OS if something terribly happen to android..and even now samsung making WP phones such as ativ s..i wonder how solid n beautiful will it be if Nokia makes Android phones..i rather choose a NOKIA android smartphone (if there's ever will be one..huh!) from samsung..

posted on 13 Oct 2012, 13:26

111. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


nokia shouldnt choose android as there main OS, they should stick with wp8 now, and go back to meego/symbian.

samsung might be doing well with android but look at HTC there not. android wont bring nokia back on its own

posted on 13 Oct 2012, 14:30

112. matwind (Posts: 2; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)


i am sure that people still love the quality that Nokia given us in previous days..infact if Nokia manufactured android phone before samsung did, nokia maybe still the no 1 mobile phone manufacturer..you can't compare trash like HTC with Nokia as Nokia has its own selling point such as pureview technology and a quality build that no smartphone makers have in current day.,samsung phones build is not even 10% the build quality that Nokia phones have..

posted on 13 Oct 2012, 15:58 1

113. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


im not comparing nokia to HTC, im just pointing out that nokia would have competition if they went android that would more then likely take a big effect on there sales.

and no one is argueing nokia's build quality, my 808 is solid as they come. but the facts are nokia have gone for wp8 and bringing everything people love about nokia to the lumia range.

sadly just because some want android on a nokia doesnt mean it will happen, i myself would like an android nokia but i wont keep slating and moaning about they shouldnt of chosen wp8 android is the only solution blah blah because it isnt.

wp8 could be the crucial step for nokia to become a major player again, with that they may branch out and compete on other OS's

posted on 14 Oct 2012, 06:28

117. epdm2be (Posts: 185; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


except that some current models aren't really build by Nokia themselves. The Lumia 800 is nothing compared to the N9 and is build by chinese Compal.

The Lumia 800 is severely fragile. I've also seen that clip when someone is using a Lumia 900 as a hammer. You can't do that with a Lumia 800 as the LCD screen UNDER the corning glass will break.

Not to mention that Nokia sold most of its own factories (the ones where they made the good stuff), courtesy of mr. Elop.

So goodbye, legendary Nokia quality...

posted on 14 Oct 2012, 12:30

119. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


well i cant speak on the lumia 800, but you compare the 900 to it showing how good the 9-- is been used as a hammer so your claim nokia's build quality is gone is completely wrong.

nokia will always be excellent in terms of build quality, my 808 is solid and has survived been dropped many times and not a mark on it.

also name other phones that can be used as a hammer like the 900 was, bet you cant think of many

posted on 17 Oct 2012, 10:15

128. epdm2be (Posts: 185; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


The Lumia 800 is NOT build by Nokia but by Compal.

The Lumia 900 and 710 are build by Nokia China themselves AFAIK. The N9 was build by Nokia Finland AFAIK. And the Nokia 701 is build by Nokia Hungary. I believe both Finland and Hungary factories are now closed.

Thanks for the support in these troublesome times Nokia! I'm sure the European workforce will remember you when you try to sell your new Lumia's. FU

posted on 15 Oct 2012, 11:34

122. bukhrin (Posts: 1; Member since: 15 Oct 2012)


Why couldn't they just do Windows and Android at the same time. Elop doesn't make any sense at all.

posted on 15 Oct 2012, 11:38

123. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


because they need to focus on one thing and bring themselves back up. going android would have been stupid, its a crowded OS with samsung dominating. wp8 is a chance for nokia to be on top of the OS

posted on 16 Oct 2012, 09:43

124. epdm2be (Posts: 185; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


@ bukhri and chaoticrazor

Because the agreement between Nokia and Microsoft states that Nokia MAY NOT develop, sell or use a competitive smartphone OS during the time period o/t agreement. This is believed to be 3 years (of which a bit over a year has been past now).

Since Symbian is considered a "smartphone OS" (and Microsoft's biggest and oldest competetition) it was clear that Microsoft FIRST needed to get symbian out o/t way (just as a precaution). In the mean time, Nokia resuscitated S40 as a backup plan and/or intermediate solution to at least sell something. Since S40 is not considered a smartphone OS and as per agreement CAN be (re-)developped/sold by Nokia, it fell through the maze of this agreement. Thus Nokia reinstated work on S40. Like adding touch and maps etc...

I have stated this before on this forum. Don't you guys read the replies?

posted on 16 Oct 2012, 11:28

125. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


just a small thing, symbian is still been supported. and there are talks that even though symbian is dead the 808 will be getting updates

also you might want to get off your high horse

posted on 19 Nov 2012, 20:03

142. epdm2be (Posts: 185; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


"also you might want to get off your high horse"

For some of you this is just a debacle on purchasing your next toy. For me a phone is a TOOL to make my job more efficient. I don't care about (fart-)apps. As long as the necessary requirements to me as a communications-tool are complied. In that respect I definitely NEED automatic full 2-way call recording. Especially since more and more countries ban using the phone while driving (let alone write down name and addresses of clients while driving). My job requires absolute client-confidentiality so i CAN'T post my contacts info on a cloud and thus I need local USB/BT syncing. Since I also use my device as a navigation system between my +600 contacts in my address-book and my agenda it NEEDS to be seamlessly integrated.

Unfortunatly only Symbian devices are the only devices left which meet these (simple) demands. I previously used Windows Mobile 6.1 devices but after many successor devices with WM6.5 couldn't fullfill my needs I turned to Symbian devices (the nokia C7-00 at first).

Since there are NO other devices left in the world despite their "fantastic full HD screens with super-mega-great-IPS-amoled-lcd3D-whatever" and "fantastic high speed 4G,5G or 6G", I'm literally at loss if Symbian will be gone.

Nokia don't realise this but professionals aren't looking for an app-ridden featurephone. In fact nobody seems to catter for the true professionals anymore. it's all bling and no substance. We NEED that Comms-swiss army knife!

There is a saying: "A Carpenter Is Only As Good As His Tools!"

And right now the best tool for my job is a Nokia Symbian device!

posted on 16 Oct 2012, 13:47 2

126. Ahsan (Posts: 37; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)


Rebuild Symbian Nokia!

posted on 26 Oct 2012, 22:46

131. avidb (Posts: 7; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


The problem with android is google. the problem with google is all the question marks relating to business practices, privacy matters, and a high degree of fragmantation within its android OS ( or 'eco-system' if im feeling nice).
But the most important thing to ME, as an individual, comes down to TRUST.
Apple as a whole has earned my trust, MS I was "meh" about (I just got tired of issues with Spyware and adware).

I think we are possibly seeing a new MS and a new Nokia. Im curious to see how it all plays out in the near future... I think it will be clear to see which direction it goes by the amount of satisfaction/dissatisfaction with the product and the quality of its development. etc...

posted on 19 Nov 2012, 20:13

143. epdm2be (Posts: 185; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


"I think we are possibly seeing a new MS "

there's this saying: You can't teach an old dog new tricks!

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