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The Burning Platform

0. phoneArena 10 Oct 2012, 08:37 posted on

Nokia is a remarkable company. It has walked the long, long road from being a single pulp mill in 1865, to a telecommunications giant in the early 21st century. Named after the small Finnish town of Nokia, the company has gone through a number of tough moments in its history, but it has always found a way to go on and swing its way back to the top...

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posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:03

10. lallolu (Posts: 238; Member since: 18 Sep 2012)


If Nokia does not want to really go into android, they can just be making one premium (really high-end) android phone/year with all the whistles and give it regular software updates and full support. Then they can focus also on their wp8. I believe this will give Nokia a very high boost in sales and profitability; they will just be like apple making one phone everybody is looking forward to per year.
This will also attract Nokia fans who are lured to the android platform, now they can remain with their 'baby' and enjoy android still.
This is not a joke, I know it will work.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:05 1

11. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


good read and I've gotta agree with the part where you mentioned Meego as a platform. It's good. but not that complete yet.

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 17:55

103. epdm2be (Posts: 167; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


The only thing for example that needed to be writen (or recompiled from Symbian sources) for e.g. the 9

1) is the RDS Radio app.
2) mount the FM transmitter antenna
3) create the FM transmitter app
4) create the voice recorder (which is also missing on the N9) which also records calls

Then it had the same featureset as a Symbian device PLUS a higher resolution screen and the internal hooks/code for more powerfull SoC's.

Delivered on a fair price and ALL diehard symbian users would have switched in a heartbeat. But what did they do:

1) Release an unfinnished device
2) Then shortly after the release completely kill the Meego dev-team
3) Restrict sales to a few countries and/or make the price so high that nobody can afford one.

Again a real smart move. When finally reviews showed some Nokia love and instead of building on that, they abandon everything. The fools.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:08 2

14. PhansMuneeb (Posts: 348; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)


I want ANDROID on NOKIA badly...

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:16 1

15. ryq24 (Posts: 507; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


when people think of android, most will think of samsung. i think that's one reason nokia did not go to android. its too crowded anyway. windows is a fresh start and since its still in its early stage, there are few phones that uses windows, the challenge right now it to be the first to come out with wp8 phones before samsung and htc .

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 15:48

65. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


it's been 7years and it's still a half-baked OS.

posted on 19 Nov 2012, 19:16

140. epdm2be (Posts: 167; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


"windows is a fresh start and since its still in its early stage,"

That's why Samsung (yeah THAT Samsung), HTC and LG almost year prior to Nokia didn't make a dent with THEIR WP7 devices.

But had major success with Android devices (well Samsung had succes while the other had to pay up on MSFT back then and now at Apple too.)

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:17

16. Gcombs (Posts: 133; Member since: 22 Aug 2011)


Nokia should have released their flagship 920 on all major carriers in the U.S and provide a exclusive mid range device to the carriers. I think a Nokia Lumia Nexus Android device would be a game changer also.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:20

19. FireDragon (Posts: 107; Member since: 13 Nov 2009)


I haven't read the article but as I read that most-used-pharse I wished for something. I really wish that Nokia would've focus to fix Symbian before all of that happen. They could start iron out Symbian even after that ^mishap^. Make it ready for low-cost handsets instead of pushing out S40. It would be better and stronger opton to go against cheap Androids, for good market competition of course.

And with that they could focus on WindowsPhone too while doing Symbian. But it is all in the wishlist now. While I am Symbian user and Android too, I don't like how Symbian^3 is compare to UIQ, but I don't like Android either. Compare the two and I still like Symbian more for its strong points, Android on other hand only have app and good looks on its hands. Many other things are common in both.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:28 1

21. allen83 (Posts: 107; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)


Nice article but for me they should have gone on developing on meego. While symbian is diminishing sales slowly they should introduce meego so that their transition will be slowly but surely. Sure they would lose sales but once nokia get a hold of the new OS and developers flock in then nokia would be fine. Nokia can do it on their own with proper strategy and execution. Meego is a good OS it only needed some support, love and time to flourish.

So for me Jolla use your knowledge what you learned at Nokia and I know Meego will be a success. Mabuhay Jolla!

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:36

23. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)


And you don't think Nokia supports Jolla? There's more than what meets the naked eye friend.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:46

25. allen83 (Posts: 107; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)


I don't know but i wish nokia supports Jolla. Jolla doesn't want to say anything about their partners. But i wish they support jolla so that it will be a big plus for the both of them. And also i don't want to jump into conclusions that nokia is also behind jolla not until they have a press conference that is.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:25

36. haseebzahid (Posts: 1833; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


and u think all those patents and roalties related to megoo was given to jolla for like how .. nokia asked them billions ? no never heared they did. what else can we say nokia did gave them a starting boost

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:40

49. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)


Nokia and jolla have publicly stated that Nokia hasn't given any IPR related to meego or any other Nokia property to jolla. They have just helped in the funding with the Nokia bridge initiative.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 13:24

57. haseebzahid (Posts: 1833; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


so how come they using mego as base platform ?

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 22:06

80. allen83 (Posts: 107; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)


they are using Meego as a base platform because they are the ones that work and develop the Meego platform when they are in Nokia. Cause they believe that Meego when given a chance can proved to be successful in the future

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 03:56

86. haseebzahid (Posts: 1833; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


yes thats the point they developed but they did it in nokia and it is nokia property and it is normal law everywhere employers cant take the company stuff to others unless the company aproves so its nokia giving them what they need patents to approval

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 07:42

93. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)


I'll tell you exactly how after I receive Jolla's mail.

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 08:16

99. allen83 (Posts: 107; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)


hasee you see they develop Meego as an open source OS meaning everyone can use it and can develop with it. That is the meaning of open source and in the first place Nokia does not care with Meego anymore they already sent Meego free nust like Symbian

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 18:05

105. epdm2be (Posts: 167; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


Nokia CAN NOT openly support Jola as per Microsoft agreement! Don't you get it!

posted on 13 Oct 2012, 08:51

108. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)


Trust me, after a couple of years, Nokia will make WP phones along with another version of them running MeeGo.

posted on 14 Oct 2012, 06:02

114. epdm2be (Posts: 167; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


Perhaps. But not before 2014. As that ends the (restrictive) microsoft agreement. Provided that by then Nokia still excists

posted on 19 Nov 2012, 19:26

141. epdm2be (Posts: 167; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


@ allen83 & FireDragon:

I've posted before the original plan of Nokia.

1) It was to replace Symbian with Meego at high end smartphones
2) Replace S40 with S^3 for the low and mid-end, because featurephones sales where diminishing.

...but then suddenly everybody got obsessed with "apps".
Apps that where needed to make up for the missing capabilities in certain phones.

While Nokia's Symbian devices are swiss army knifes of the telecom with full 2 way call recording, loudspeakers with decent to great audio quality and loud volume, great photographic capabilities, LED-lamps and tons of small innovative features.
Like the integration of the address-book and calender with the navigation software. Or the great multitasking where the USER decides WHEN a program should terminate, or the straightforward way (as USB-stick) to transfer ringtones/music and films onto the device without the need for elaborate 'transfer software' or recoding into esoteric file formats etc....

What we have today are a bunch of so-called smartphones whom are dumber then the stuff we had 5 years ago.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:54

27. nanyanu (Posts: 1; Member since: 14 Apr 2010)


This is one of the best article I've seen in recent times. Hats off PA

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 10:01

30. lauha (Posts: 4; Member since: 10 Oct 2012)


Today in Finland one tech-related site (www.taskumuro.com) published an article titled "A story of Meego". It is written in finnish, but some people are translating it at the moment. I'm pretty sure someone will tip PhoneArena and other major tech sites about it. It is very interesting stuff to read.

And if you can read finnish, here's the article:

http://taskumuro.com/uusi-artikkeli-nokia-meegon-tarina

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 10:45

32. Ragnarockd (Posts: 47; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)


Nokia could possibly think of operating on multiple platform including android if they start reaping the benefits of windows phone. Something similar to what Samsung is doing. Features of Nokia have always been an topnotch and always laid some good memories back when i used Nokia phones.
Pure view and pure-motion with clear black display on an android device would be dream come true for an android fan, i know its a crowded platform but if Nokia can play the cards well then it will back to its lost glory.

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 18:02

104. epdm2be (Posts: 167; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


"Nokia could possibly think of operating on multiple platform including android if they start reaping the benefits of windows phone"

except they MAY NOT! They made an agreement with Microsoft, a contract. They must honour it as well as Microsoft must. And in that contract is written that Nokia may not develop, sell or utilize other competitive OS's for a defined period (I believe 3 years). Nokia is now the f**kdoll of Microsoft (ATM).

What ever happens in the future when this 'contract' is over.... we'll see then, won't we?

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 10:57

33. nasznjoka (Posts: 345; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)


there's no ugly platform like w8 and by the way this is the anti-microsoft era this is the world of open source how come you emerge from nowhere and try to patent things that were created when you were not in history? android rules cause it all about open source

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:38

39. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


anti microsoft era...................really you that much of a fanboy you think everyone's with you against microsft
the rest of your comment doesn't make much sense, but wp8 isnt ugly so if you dont like it dont comment

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:08

34. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1100; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


I think that Nokia will sell enough of it's new feature phones and Widows smart phones to survive this year and go to the black in 2014. I do not think Mr Elop alone
is what caused Nokia to for now be solely a windows smart phone OEM. they were
getting no where with their Symbian OS and did not Meego was ready yet. They knew Android was ok but they would be a me to Android phone maker with Apple and Microsoft out to sue Android over patent issues. Windows smart phone OS was new and developing. they gave Windows a chance and are the best Windows phone makers. now if they can add an android smartphone to their list 0f products things will get better because they have a new customer base which could bring them ore profit and Windows smart phones will still be made good for them

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 04:45

87. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)


Sell phones well and become bankrupt? How does that make sense?

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:22

35. haseebzahid (Posts: 1833; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


two things on this article
1 nokia is not a platform @_@ seriously
2 Ofcourse is PA iphone lover writters what less can we expect from them

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:26 2

37. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 245; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)


Former Apple exec, Jean-Louis Gassée, told Nokia to switch to Android when t hey consulted him on what to do and they rejected his idea because they didn't want to lose control of their destiny. That was 3 years ago.

The next year, Elop comes in and immediately destroys Symbian and chooses to adopt Windows Phone. Which is one of the dumbest moves in the tech industry ever made.

If he had bothered to look into the industry, he would have seen that other manufacturers picked up Android and tested the waters with it first. HTC had the G1 (Dream elsewhere), Samsung had the Galaxy and the phone that kicked Android popularity into high gear the Motorola Droid.

And BOOM, those companies saw profits in record numbers and then came the Droid and Galaxy S line, some of the most popular Android phones ever made. And what are HTC and Samsung doing now? They're testing the waters again with Windows Phone, because Windows Mobile was never popular and it sucked.

If Elop had a brain in his head, he would of adopted Android first, pump out some beefy devices to get Nokia out of the slump they were in and get people to remember that Nokia existed. Then when they have money to spare, start working on good WP devices.

But no, Elop derped Nokia even more so than before. They are on the verge of going under and nothing can save them. I don't even think Android will save them at this point in time because they're too far gone, they'll be over shadowed by Samsung, Motorola and HTC.

Why Elop hasn't been ejected from his position of CEO only shows that Nokia just doesn't care.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:58 1

42. cheeseaddict (Posts: 49; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)


finally... a non biased or non nokia hater story from phonearena..

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:01 1

43. SamsungFan (Posts: 201; Member since: 16 Apr 2012)


Android is the best windows can never keep up with android

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:05 4

45. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


android isnt the best, everything has its pro's and con's

and if your so happy with android why comment on here

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 19:06

74. someones4 (Posts: 619; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


I agree that it is better than windows though... windows just feels awkward..

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:26

46. AmitMajumder (Posts: 80; Member since: 21 May 2012)


Nokia should really choose android....

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:32 3

47. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


nah there lumia 920 looks an excellent phone so no need for android.

besides android aint a guarenteed solution its pretty crowded, why wouldn't you want more choice then just 2 OS's

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:39 1

48. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 245; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)


I agree that the Lumia 920 is awesome looking but I don't think it's going to pull Nokia from the brink of extinction.

I would love to see them be the dominant force in the WP market, but they miss stepped and dove right into it. They should of used Android as a stepping stone to get back in the right direction first then move onto WP.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 13:08 1

55. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


well going for android first wouldnt help them imo, as its a crowded. look at HTC motorla lg

but what would be good is gain traction with wp8 build on it then aim for an android device. but only when there secure (if they get there which i hope they do) nokia could be just like samsung with the right push. and as they have put everything into wp8 thats what they will need to focus on.

future could be nokia with a range of wp8 and android devices

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 05:57 1

89. AmitMajumder (Posts: 80; Member since: 21 May 2012)


Though android is not a guaranteed solution, but it can help them making budget friendly low end devices for consumers. We saw nokia's try to make low end WP powered devices such as the Lumia 610, but it barely runs an app. For example, it would not even angry birds on it, whereas low end devices from samsung can do it. Yes Lumia 920, 900 and 800 are great devices, but can every consumer get them to taste? They should take android to get the best of both worlds- low end budget friendly and high-end smartphones...

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 06:03 1

90. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


i disagree, if nokia went with android there best bet is to go high end devices. with the wash of samsung, HTC etc low end phones nokia wouldnt make a dent. they would need to bring everything they have in a flagship device.

but for now wp8 is what there going with, and it should be a success. im sure nokia could regain what they once were......still want symbian and meego to be supported but.

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 06:29 1

91. AmitMajumder (Posts: 80; Member since: 21 May 2012)


I fully love Nokia handset's design and build quality. I also think if they go android and make a high-end smartphone with that design and innovation they did in Lumia 920, No other company will stand a chance....

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 06:59 1

92. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


exactly if nokia brought there 'A' game with an android phone it would stand out over the competition.

i like to think something like the nokia 808 running android

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:56

51. downphoenix (Posts: 2357; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


The problem here is, nokia is, or was, a huge company. It didnt have to put all its eggs in one basket, like they did with Microsoft, which had a much smaller basket than android. It make take up a greater percentage of the eggs in MS's basket than Google's, but Google's is much larger and Nokia would not have lost very many eggs dumping from symbian to Android, but a ton of their eggs hit the ground when dumping to Microsoft's baskets, because it just wasn't big enough to hold many of their eggs.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 13:14

56. yousef8824 (Posts: 36; Member since: 28 Jul 2012)


4 is the best

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 14:33 1

60. denied911 (banned) (Posts: 361; Member since: 31 May 2012)


Ray S. - huge nokia fanboy
easy guy, maybe nokia was best hardware maker, but not now! now samsung htc or foxconn can build the same or better

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 17:57 1

69. McSteezy (Posts: 22; Member since: 18 Aug 2012)


The only thing keeping me from switching to Windows Phone 8 is whether or not Instagram will be on the OS. If Nokia is known for their cameras than why noy spend the extra cash to get the top photo sharring app. And good bye Android!

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 17:59 1

70. jbitounis (Posts: 54; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)


"Yes, it [Meego] was an almost complete platform which could run just fine, but at the end of the day, what more could it provide than the basic experience one could already get from a Symbian handset."

Mr Ray, I am afraid that you, along with many of your colleagues, confuse smartphones with content consumption gadgets. Nokia N9 is as reliable and solid as the E-series Symbian handsets, more intuitive and smooth than iPhones and overall ergonomic as none other. These are the qualities that make an excellent smartphone in my book. The fact that it lacked an official Netflix or Instagram app doesn't make it a bad start for a new platform, now does it? Actually, the OS was so good that spawned an entire new company whose upcoming OS is more hotly anticipated than WP8:
http://jollatides.com/2012/10/10/google-stats-sailfish-os-vs-other-new-os/
So, yeah, when we're talking smartphones, Nokia actually did a bad move going the Windows way.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 18:43

72. papss (unregistered)


Lol that site was a joke. Who would have thought that they would be so anticipated on their own site? It must be true

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 19:05

73. someones4 (Posts: 619; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


They can just offer both android and windows like Samsung did...Just see which is the winning horse.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 21:04

76. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)


WHAAAATTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 21:06

77. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


i really like the option number 4! and a little #1!!!

rebuild symbian!!! belle fp1 catch up with the game!! the only problem is apps availability and its sucky browser!!!

and i wish MeeGo was continued!!! that OS is very promising! but it is no surprise that elop will trash a pure linux coz he is a microsoft guys and microsoft hate linux!

symbian and Maemo/MeeGo was nokia bread and butter and the one that dress nokia!! they need to continue the support to those OS!! they shouldn't abandon them!

all they need to do is a major revamp! they already forcast that symbian is treated like an old hag... and smybian foundtation has an answer -- the UIQ but what did nokia did? continue to s60! UIQ is a good software and the engineer behind android are the engineer who develop the "should be" answer of symbian!

now look at symbian... belle fp2 is beautiful but it cant be notice coz nokia still dont make a move for symbian's down sides -the apps and the browser!

but if they just listen to the foundation... they wont have this problem! symbian might be popular till now!

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 21:58 1

79. allen83 (Posts: 107; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)


After reading the article of "A story of Meego" I felt a little depress. Knowing that the CEO Elop really pursued the North American first rather than focusing on the other markets where Nokia is strong. I also felt a little disappointed that Nokia's partnership to Intel was a big waste cause I do know that Intel's chips are good give it a time and it will flousrish just like what ELop is doing now although the WP partnership is still not flourishing. The big mistake they did was only focusing on one Market and that is the NA market rather than focusing on the other market. What is a BIG hit at NA is not a BIG hit in the other markets. And as for Meego Elop didn't trust it because developing it was slow. Slowly but surely a big hit when it hit the shelves

http://taskumuro.com/artikkelit/nokia-meegon-tarina,10

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 22:40

82. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


yeah really hate that decision of elop!! MeeGo is promising and N9 should be the first phone to run intel chips!!!

but what did he do? PUT MEEGO AND SYMBIAN TO TRASH!!! and change to WP that is still struggling to gain market! and all WP looks the same! cant be skinned! no differenciation unlike WinMo!

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 02:34 3

85. pravi (Posts: 6; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)


After many days of iPhonism and Androidish comments, this is one of those wonderful articles from PA. Nicely written Ray. Being a samsung S3 user and almost a decade experience with Nokia, I still feel Nokia is the best in terms of handsets.

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 04:55 1

88. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


IfNokia remains WINDOWS Only company then 'Embrace, extend, and exterminate" philosophy of M$ will finally result in Nokia being taken over by M$. That's the whole game plan in larger perspective.

posted on 11 Oct 2012, 11:02 1

94. prabhsahni92 (Posts: 3; Member since: 06 Oct 2012)


S40 and wp is enough to win heart of millions...
I don tt want llagggy buugggyyyyyy androids......
Keep it up NOKIAAAAA......
STILL WAITING LUMIA 920 IN my hands

posted on 14 Oct 2012, 06:17

115. epdm2be (Posts: 167; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


S40 is joke.
People complained 5 years ago that touch was bolted on S60 and didn't like it. S40 is even less and suddenly, it is "enough". Hypocrites.

WP is NOT enough. It can't FULLY replace Symbian yet. No proper multitasking, crippled bluetooth, no call recording, etc...

Also a modern symbian device is NOT laggy at all. Infact remove the bloody 'theme effects' and it flies. I specifically hacked my 701 to remove theme effects (because stupid Nokia decided in their demented wisdom to remove that menu) and that phone's UI is now even faster then my Lumia 800.

Besides the fragility, much too quiet speaker, no notification leds/light, the removal of the sturdy 2mm charging jack (replaced with the super fragile microUSB port, yuk), removal of white battery full led and lots of other annoyances AND the fact that these WP-phones devalue horribly fast, I severely dislike the Lumia offerings.
Got a cyan L800 in februari 2012 has been in repair 3 times (causing a lot of anger between me, nokia care, incompetent repair company and the retailer) and finally got rid of it in august 2012 (far under its 499 euro price that I paid for that POS).

NEVER a Lumia again! AND certainly NEVER a Windows Phone again!

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