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The Burning Platform

0. phoneArena 10 Oct 2012, 08:37 posted on

Nokia is a remarkable company. It has walked the long, long road from being a single pulp mill in 1865, to a telecommunications giant in the early 21st century. Named after the small Finnish town of Nokia, the company has gone through a number of tough moments in its history, but it has always found a way to go on and swing its way back to the top...

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posted on 10 Oct 2012, 13:42 9

58. iCandy (Posts: 46; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


Or better yet, sell handsets and allow the buyer to select the OS of choice, whether it maybe Symbian, MeeGo, Android or WP. Pretty easy to arrange and it would have prevented Nokia from going 60 mph to 0 while it figures out the best route forward. Elop's decision was not based on the best short or long term solution, it was determined by his previous employment relationship with MS. The "burning company" experience of Nokia is just more ammunition to the philosophy that better business practices require an absence of bias and partiality.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 08:43 59

1. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


I have one word for you Nokia: ANDRIOD.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 08:53 28

7. Medel (Posts: 84; Member since: 31 May 2011)


that's good to hear i want a Nokia with android OS and it has a quad or dual core processor and pureview technology.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:02 9

9. Medel (Posts: 84; Member since: 31 May 2011)


by the way, people who have Nokia 808 PureView is now available to update.http://www.symbiantweet.com/nokia-belle-feature-pack-2-fixed-firmware-update-now-available mine is updated now. more improvements! :)

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:07 44

13. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


not every companies that goes android wins. Let's just wait for WP to click. I want a larger competition not a crowded one. :)

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:20 8

18. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Great point. But I'm not saying to ditch windows.

I will say I have no doubt that their build quality would win over lots of people in the android community. Exclusivity limits sales for everyone. Unfortunately I think it's the carriers who are to blame for most of that. Except with Nokia.. they chose to get in bed with MS and limit their sale base. Bad move, period.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:51 15

26. SIGPRO (Posts: 1664; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)


I hope Nokia will never choose Android, Because i don't know why people are so hyped about Android it's just not that good.
My ICS device lags and has bugs, a few weeks ago i compared the SG3 with the Lumia 900 and guess what the Lumia was snappier and faster with a single vs a quadcore. Can't wait till the Lumia 920 arrives i think it will kill the SG3. I will never buy a Android device again. I would buy a Meego/Symbian/WP device.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:34 7

38. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)


Hah, just another dumb android troll who can't even type Android correctly.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:46 2

40. atree (Posts: 25; Member since: 20 May 2011)


i could not agree more, i would love to have a nokia 920 on andriod, i just cant get into windows phone! To many things are exclusive to andriod that i like

Flash ( i watch south park on lunch and have to have flash)
Google currents
google maps

Nokia makes absoultly amazing phones, however, they need to incrase their market base if they want to attract more customeres!!!

only ways to increase profit are higher reveune or lower costs, costs can only be cut so far before you start to feel the burn, so increase rev by adding andriod phones!! come on nokia!!!!

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 11:49 6

41. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


If having "The Simplest and Snappiest" phone is what you want, go wp7 or iOS. If you like lots of features, customization, openess, the ability to install almost any app from anywhere, and can wait the extra .005 millisecond it takes for that app to open... Then Android is the best platform on the market. It's all about what works for you.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:53 5

50. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Somehow I missed that. Thanks for the correction.

Now how about a real response, not some troll bait.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 12:59 3

52. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


well the 920 with JB or ICS could outsell even the Galaxy S3 or at least be Top phone

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 14:00 2

59. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1116; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


I don't get you, you say my ICS device but you don't state which device you have and then say you compared the Lumia to a SG3 of course the Lumia will win the Samsung Galaxy 3 it only has a 667mhz processor, if you were trying to say SGS3 which you failed to, i must say if you compared against a display model i don't know why but i also tried a SGS3 at a store and it was kind of laggy, i tried one on another store and it was perfectly smooth.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 13:01 6

53. Mittal (Posts: 493; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)


Y couldnt they go the HTC and SAMSUNG way and cater to both ANDROID and WINDOWS ?

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 13:04 3

54. smartphone (Posts: 160; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)


There is nothing wrong with going with android, but android is the one who brings Nokia's empire down they have two options. s

Submitt to android without fight.

Or put a fight by collbration with microsoft they choose the later and may be it will comeout as a wise decision we dont know now.

I really hope they will turn the wheel again.
nobody will benefit from Nokia's death but greedy companies who will sell craps calling it innovation.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 14:35 2

61. denied911 (banned) (Posts: 361; Member since: 31 May 2012)


JB is as fast as ios6 on ip5!

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 14:35

62. metalpoet (unregistered)


andriod? do you mean android?

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 14:51 3

63. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)


talk about wishful thinking man. but a Nokia NeXus would be epic. but anyway this article is written beautifully. nice work Ray.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 15:43 1

64. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


i don't understan those 22people who thumbed you down for? Symbian is an open platform just like Android, so why would Symbian users migrate to closed Windows platform. Why would you leave freedom for? How weird....!

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 15:54 2

66. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Nokia+ Nexus i believe they would still use Dual-Core CPU, while other's are on QC.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 16:28 2

67. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


No, I meant ios.. O_o

Already mentioned I somehow missed it. ..........Some people. Granted, it looks worse cause that was my ONE WORD, haha.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 17:47

68. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Dont know why all the red thumbs.

Its a safe bet to go with Android right now. If I'm not mistaken....every WP manufacture is doing an Android phone expect Nokia.

With WP...it was a better move financially if things took off, but Android was still and still is the safer bet as far as exposure, market share.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 18:17 1

71. Peter98 (Posts: 119; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)


Do both

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 20:25

75. jroc74 (Posts: 6019; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Exactly. I agree with this 100%.

I can bet if Motorola woulda done WP exclusively....and things didnt take off...they would be doing an Android phone next week.

Thats also one reason Motorola basically told MS to jump off a bridge about WP...their success with Android. Motorola has yet to do a WP.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 21:32

78. Danre (Posts: 85; Member since: 02 Sep 2012)


Totally agree with maxican16.

Android market share is nearly 70%.
May be in long run MS will gain something but nothing soon.

and It is business and business mean do right which is good for company.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 22:25 1

81. Glim12808 (Posts: 394; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


The problem for Nokia had they gone Android was not getting the USD 1B annually they got from MS. Why should Google give them that money when it was doing just fine without Nokia and only Samsung and HTC on-board?

Besides, I'm sure Nokia also looked at the Android landscape and saw how Motorola, Sony, LG etc. were loosing money in it.

But I'm also 100% sure of Nokia's back-up plan to switch to Android if Windows Phone 8 does not pick-up sales in 2013. It's there somewhere hidden from MS in the bowels of Nokia in Finland. But I'm sure MS knows this too, that's why there is a plan for the Surface Phone, not so hidden in the bowels of MS in Redmond.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 22:51

84. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


they should do the samsung way... continue the support of symbian! adopt meego... make an android device 3 a year and also adopt WP!

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 02:06

98. weirdfisher (Posts: 51; Member since: 31 Mar 2011)


Nokia should use OiS or Windous Pone or Symbain

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 17:41

101. epdm2be (Posts: 572; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)


1) Why would Nokia use a competive linux based OS when they have (had) their own superior linux based OS?

2) If Nokia was to make Android handsets, what garantee is there that Nokia would be succesfull? Currently only Samsung seems to be succesfull while ALL the others are badly loosing money.

3) What would you do?

A) license Android and being sued to pay Microsoft a fee (like Samsung, LG and HTC do) or
B) just get the Windows Phone OS and be done with it (probably cheaper then the fee you have to pay if you´d have gone Android)?

Android is pitfall. The market is way to splintered with all those different SoC´s, different gpu, it takes ages for Google to optimize code or to cleanup bugs. Then it takes even longer for telco's send the improvements to customers. It's a mess.

I do think that when Nokia went for WP7 then they could have just license Android too and create all OS handsets. Including Meego and Symbian models alongside WP7 and Android devices. HTC does it (with Brew OS) and Samsung (with Bada). So I fail to see why Nokia couldn't. They could have gotten ALL! They're just too narrow-minded.

posted on 12 Oct 2012, 19:08

106. DeviantDroid (Posts: 51; Member since: 28 Apr 2011)


It would be EPIC to see Nokia make a Nexus Android device and see the reaction from Microsoft... Does microsoft really care anyways with the possibility of the surface phone?

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