The Apple A8 SoC in the iPhone 6 might hit 2 GHz core clock speeds for the first time
0. phoneArena 11 Jul 2014, 06:15 posted on
Android's flagships have been breaking the 2 GHz CPU barrier for a while now, but even Apple's most advanced 64-bit A7 chipset is still lounging at the 1.3-1.4 GHz range. This, however, is about to change with the eventual A8, if a new supply chain report is to be believed...
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1. karamelakimo (Posts: 100; Member since: 26 May 2014)
That's great news if true
But I still prefer a quad core with 1.5Ghz more than 2 core with 2Ghz
The increase in clock speed will affect battery consumption more I think while increase in code number will motivate it
We have to wait and see
22. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4166; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
But then you would sacrifice single core performance, which is always important. I like what Apple's doing now with 2 high performance cores rather than 4, 6, or 8 lower performance ones. Especially since most of the apps in the App Store are optimized for single/dual core operation, and using a quad core CPU would mean that they would have to add quad core support in iOS 8 (if they haven't already) and developers would need to add quad core support to their apps. I'm sure the long term benefits would be worth it, but short term it's really not, especially since the dual core A7 is working without any hiccups.
23. karamelakimo (Posts: 100; Member since: 26 May 2014)
Good point :)
But any way I think the increase in clock speed won't reach 2ghz that's opposite to usual apple thoughts and believes
I wish apple will make a surprise
36. pulkit1 (Posts: 354; Member since: 03 Jul 2014)
I think it might because A8 will be manufactured on a 20nm process node vs 28nm on a7 so apple might put those power gain to increase performance rather than decrease the already low power draw . As the bricks are coming off the walled garden of iOS increasing the single threaded performance will be a smart move.
2. Dude2014 (Posts: 259; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)
64bit Snapdragon 810 will beat this for sure. Qualcomm has been leading the industry for almost 3 years and it's very likely to keep going. Snapdragon FTW! :)
4. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3473; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)
Yeah, but I think this will be better than 805. So Snapdragon will have to wait a bit before getting back to 1st
7. LetsBeHonest (Posts: 1127; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
My opinion, Qualcomm got so lazy and became so slow since they reach the top of the hill.
8. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3473; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)
Yeah. They shouldn't even have bothered to develop 801 and 805. The difference to 800 is so minimal. And to consider that 805 came after almost a year after 800.
15. vincelongman (Posts: 2480; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)
The 801 is almost only a better higher binned 800, its just overclocked and more efficient, but with added support for eMMC 5.0 (I think that's the only new thing)
IMO the 805 should have been already for the Q2 phones like how last years Q1 had the 600, and the 810 should be planned for Q3 phone like how last years had the 800
IMO Qualcomm has gotten lazy, I hope a couple major OEMs switch to the Nvidia K1 for their phones later this year to show Qualcomm that they do need to keep innovating if they want to keep their dominance
5. LetsBeHonest (Posts: 1127; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
Snapdragon 810 will be awesome. But Apple's current A7 SOC is already on par with current snapdragon processors(true they have less pixels to deal with) . And it did take over more than one year for others to come up with 64bit SOC(hipe they improve the amount of ram too). Also they achieve this much great result with such under clocked processors. Also their GPU are really amazing. I think they deserve big credit for their processors and GPUs they handle games very smoothly with great graphics. It'll get even better with A8 processors.
6. Iodine (Posts: 824; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)
Qualcomm newest chips are marginally better than 9 months old A7. Whatever Apple will try that 2x CPU and GPU again, no chance for Qualcomm if they succeed in that.
11. lpratas (Posts: 129; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
But the Snapdragon 810 it's more powerful than Apple A8 isn't it? Or you have doubts about that? Don't forget that the Snapdragon 810 has Cortex A57 processors and are 4 at least at 2.0GHz and are true Cortex A57 Arm processors, unlike the A8 chipset that it is a custom 64 bit cpu which if it is in the sequence of the A7 it is not even A57 cpu, which can be more powerful.
14. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1563; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
The A7 was custom A57, so what makes you think the A8 won't at least be A57? Couple that with the new clock speed and the newest Rogue GPU, and this thing should destroy most, if not all, SoC's.
20. livyatan (Posts: 863; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)
Per clock, the Cyclone core in the A7 chip is almost certainly more powerful than Cortex A57.
It is a desktop - like(performance roughly comparable to Core i3 ULP variants) 6-wide design(compared to 3-wide Cortex A57) with more advanced memory interface and cache addressing.
Cortex A57 is a much smaller core though, and draws less power.
This means that four A57 cores will have roughly comparable die size and power consumption to two Cyclone cores.
Comparing a pair of this speculative new Cyclones running at 2GHz because of the 20nm lithography, we should see better single threaded performance than in a quad A57 setup at 2GHz.
Overall, in raw performance multi threaded benchmarks the Snapdragon 810 should have the edge over the A8 because of four A53 cores adding up to the score.
But make no mistake, the 2+GHz A8 chip will be more than fast enough for anything you throw at it, and will very probably be the most potent mobile SoC to be seen this year, especially if it comes paired with the amazing PowerVR G6550 GPU that is superior to even the Kepler from Tegra K1
Here's my two cents - it will be the first time ARM chip to beat the Core i3 notebook chips from Intel
28. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1304; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Agree on all exept one:
1st: the PowerVR G6550 just doesn´t exist.
2nd: even the most powerfull one of the PowerVR, the GX6650 is expected to be bit short both in features and performance of the Tegra K1. Yes, the Tegra K1 is so powerful that they should clocked the GPU over 1 GHz to beat it!! A feat I don´t expect they´ll do even at 20nm.
My expectations for the A8: increase of 2x in GPU performance (a bit short ot the TK1) and 50% increase in CPU performance.
30. livyatan (Posts: 863; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)
According to Imagination Technologies, the G6650 (my 6550 was a typo) outperforms the Kepler K1.
The guy from IT blog was very clear in that claim
34. renz4 (Posts: 312; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
heh mobile is interesting isn't it? we have IMG, Qualcomm, ARM, Nvidia. i heard Mali T760 also have the potential to match or beat nvidia TK1 gpu. it is also interested to see nvidia maxwell with next year tegra.
37. pulkit1 (Posts: 354; Member since: 03 Jul 2014)
Really ? and you know this how? and as history tells us qualcomm never uses stock arm design rather they make their own core designed from arm reference design . Apple does the same thing .
Chances are either they will be very close . Apple dual core @ 1.3ghz A7 in iPad air performs just a little shy of quad core 2.5ghz 801 chip .
12. medicci37 (Posts: 957; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
Not that impressive since there's no real competition in the processor industry like there was a few years ago. Releasing a overclocked s800 as a new chip is pathetic. The 805 isn't much of a increase either. Idk why anyone who loves tech would want 1 company to dominate. I'd like to see a chip that focuses more on graphics... Kinda like the Tegra line but better
24. renz4 (Posts: 312; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)
will see how that goes. A8 will be custom build by Apple. the 810 will be using vanilla A57/A53 combo just like others. i'm interested to see which implementation is better. the vanilla ARM core or custom build one like A8
26. superduper (Posts: 151; Member since: 20 Oct 2013)
If Qualcomm has been 'leading the industry', then where is their industry leading 64-bit processor? And why did their executives get spooked by the A7 last September?
3. LetsBeHonest (Posts: 1127; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
Wohh... That's impressive.. But i doubt Apple will ever go over 1.8ghz at least not for iphone.
9. vuyonc (Posts: 665; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)
And Apple will do almost nothing special with the power. Again.
38. pulkit1 (Posts: 354; Member since: 03 Jul 2014)
Really? apple has a better track record of doubling the performance of their chips than qualcomm .
10. Sreddy (unregistered)
this should be a monster!
17. xfire99 (Posts: 610; Member since: 14 Mar 2012)
Qualcomm/Exynos is faster in multi core perfomance.
Apple A7/A8 faster in singel core perfomance.
39. pulkit1 (Posts: 354; Member since: 03 Jul 2014)
That is because you are comparing a dual-core to quad core soc working at double the clock speeds . Power draw of A7 is about 2.6 W vs 3.5W for snapdragon 800.
18. vishalaestro (Posts: 66; Member since: 08 Dec 2013)
apple's A7 processor is powerful than snapdragon 800 and 801 .apple's single core performance is soo good in a way that the performance is similar to the intel's core2duo models.the reason is apple's instruction width is 6 so it can issue 6 instructions at a time while the snapdragon models can issue only 2 instructions at a time.the architecture used by the apple is similar to the intel based solutions in the sandy bridge architecture .remember apple quoted "desktop class performance"?for further details visit this page .an excellent articlehttp://www.anandtech.com/show/
19. JC557 (Posts: 1228; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
If they are going to put that into an extremely thin handset body then there may be some thermal issues to deal with should Apple actually set the clock speed that high. The A7 is already fast as it is at it's current speed, there's no real need to push it to 2GHz unless it's for bragging rights but if they do then at least make the next iPhone thicker than 7 or 8mm.
21. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1563; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
They won't do it for bragging rights. Rest assured, the thermal envelope has been exhaustively tested. That is another reason Apple uses aluminum in their devices, because of the superior thermal properties compared to plastics.
32. iushnt (Posts: 898; Member since: 06 Feb 2013)
5C? I think using aluminum itself is for bragging rights and not for actual thermal properties. Plastics can be used with good or even better thermal properties as well if properly engineered.
40. pulkit1 (Posts: 354; Member since: 03 Jul 2014)
You do understand that plastic is a bad conductor of heat while aluminium is a good conductor so for the phone Aluminium is better but for the person using it plastic is more comfortable as it does not heat up quickly.
27. Totse2k15 (Posts: 339; Member since: 11 Feb 2014)
A8 look beastly and nice. I wanna test drive this beast. Nice job, Apple.
29. Furbal (Posts: 538; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)
It's gonna be a hell of a chip. Even if I don't like apple......
33. Cesar (Posts: 137; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)
If the iPhone 5S almost beat the HTC ONE M8, Galaxy S5, Xperia Z2, etc...imagine with 2GHz :o Apple GO!
35. fzacek (Posts: 2443; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)
Apple is going to cheat customers again with a sub-par processor compared to Android and Windows Phone handsets...
41. doctorbazinga (Posts: 1; Member since: 12 Jul 2014)
It will be at least another year before an apple 64-bit SoC gets any faster than 1.5 Ghz