Texas Instruments throws in the towel on OMAP, to limit work on smartphone and tablet chips
0. phoneArena 26 Sep 2012, 03:27 posted on
Texas Instruments has been under investor pressure lately to give up its mobile chips program that culminates with the ARM-based OMAP processor family. It was consuming so much money and human resources, they said, without gaining much traction against a juggernaut like Qualcomm, which packages its Snapdragons with LTE radio for a complete solution, preferred by most customers...
This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here
1. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
No OMAP 5? ): Well that crushes my dreams of having an OMAP 5 in my Nexus. Looks like the next Nexus will have either Tegra 3s or S4 (Pro)s. Bummer.
10. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
I have had nothing but bad experiences with Nvidia.
Snapdragon S4 Pro or Exynos please.
17. Retro-touch (Posts: 273; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
I'd put my money on either of those two, next nexus I assume will have Exynos 5 dual core or S4 pro dual core, I don't see the point of them putting quad core
29. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
Hopefully. The 1.2 GHz dual core Exynos in my phone plays NOVA 3 and the Tegra 3 quad core in my Infinity won't. Lol
20. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Why is apple mentioned? They don't make their own chips. That is done by Samsung (for the most part) and TSMC, if I remember their name right
22. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Samsung manufactures their chips, but this time around Apple actually designed their own chip, instead of just rebranding an Exynos. It's just they had Samsung make it.
24. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1522; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Good to see you finally acceted it and stop saying it´s an Exynos. Nice to see some people are not as stubborn as remixfa ;)
28. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Yeah, but it was kind of hard convincing. I mean, it's a dual-core A-9 32nm chip, same as the Exynos 4212; uses the same manufacturing process (HKMG) as the Exynos 4212; it's even made by the same company for Gods sake. On paper, the A6 and Exynos 4212 seem VERY similar. But it seems as though Apple genuinely made it their own somehow.
30. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1522; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
You are making the same mistake remixfa makes:
the manufacturing process (32 nm HKMG) does not have anything to do with a chip. You can manufactre a Snapdragon, a Tegra, an Exynos, an OMAP or an Atom with it.
It´s the same that TSMC or GlobalFoundries do: send them your chip and they will produce it for you for a price. It´s just one of Samsung´s business lines:
I´m not sure where you read it´s an A9, because it´s not. It´s something more similar to a Krait: a custom chip created by them, something completelly different than the A9 or A15 chips based on the ARM designs.
31. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol, you are still off your game a bit. You keep telling me Im the one making the mistake, yet you have no actual evidence to say otherwise. All TRUE evidence and history points to me being most likely right. Your "evidence" was a couple of articles that you took the wrong way.
It is not anything like the Krait. It is not some "hybrid'. It is an A9 32nm HKG 44212 Exynos with minor modifications and a different GPU.
Find me HARD proof that I'm wrong. Not an article based on conjecture by the same author that originally said it was an A15 of some sort without proof, and then the entire phone blogging sphere ran with it like it was true.
Also, TSMC and GF do not use the same HKG process samsung does... which is much more advanced than the 28nm process used for the Krait chip line.
34. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1522; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Well, you call not having actual evidence to show you links from reputated sites like Anantech, one of the most famous sites for chipset analysis while claming something about TRUE evidence.
But the fact is what you have offered to back up your claim is 0, null, nothing, rien de rien. Just what you call history (and I never claimed you were wrong with the other chips, just with this one).
But the truth is that all the articles I have read claim you are wrong and I´m right. And I read A LOT.
One more coming from iFixit:
"The manual layout of the ARM processors lends much credence to the rumor that Apple designed a custom processor of the same caliber as the all-new Cortex-A15, and it just might be the only manual layout in a chip to hit the market in several years."
Find at least one place that claims that the A6 has an A9 4212 Exynos chip please, cause your word alone, that´s really weak.
That the chip is fabricated with 32nm HKG by Samsung is well known fact and everyone knows that as Samsung fabricates the A6 chips. But as I have said several times "32nm HKG" is just a FABRICATION TECNOLOGY PROCESS of Samsung´s Foundry, so it does not back your claim at all. Check the next link for that:
35. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Again, you bring me speculation, not fact. You have yet to bring FACT. Until there is a FACT that says that they are breaking with history and current tech, it means jack squat.
And I called Anandtech on their initial "its an A15" BS and won that argument. They retracted that statement pretty quickly. Anandtech is one of my favorite tech sites but even they get it wrong from time to time.
You really think that a small little development budget like Apple's development gets, figured out how to get a huge head start on A15 development... while using their primary rival to manufacture these miraculous A15's??? All the while they beat samsung to mass market by MONTHS using samsung's factories??? And they figured out the LTE problem before Samsung did!?!?!?! All the while Samsung's development budget is like 300x larger than Apple's total research budget.
That is a whole lot of salt to swallow in order to make it believable. Especially since there is still ZERO EVIDENCE OF ANY SUCH BS.
I think you need to do less reading too much into what a reviewer is GUESSING on and stop daydreaming a bit.
If someone was going to beat samsung to the A15 market, it sure as hell isnt going to be Apple. Qualcom maybe, but it will never be Apple. That is not their MO. You obviously dont understand the companies your trying to talk about.
And just like that whole "A15 equivalent" bullshyt with Qualcomm.. that is nothing more than marketing and hype. It has nothing to do with reality.
Its an exynos 4212 with minor chip mods and a different GPU. Deal with it.
36. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1522; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
I may only bring speculation, but it's the speculatin of very reputed sites. What do you bring to the disscussion? NOTHING but your own delusions, not even speculations.
Why don't YOU bring FACTS? Because you can't even come up with what you dismiss as speculations.
The only way to bring you facts would be Apple telling you they designed a new chip which they won't do, and at this point I doubt you'll belive them if they do...
Let's see how is the score right now:
TylerGrunter backed up by: Anandtech, iFixit and Lynley Group (chip market consultancy); and those by phonearena, gsmarena, engadget, techcrunch, wikipedia, and pretty much any other internet page.
remixfa backed up by: no one. No links, no one supporting your A9 Exynos theory.
Small Development budget for Apple? Over $500 millios! So yes, I belive they outdid Samsung this time.
They didn't "figured out the LTE problem", if by that you mean to integrate LTE in their socket Snapdragon style. They are using the same solution the LG Optimus LG does with the S4 APQ8064 chipset or the Note II with Exynos 4412 chip: using an external LTE chip. They use the external Qualcomm MDM9615 LTE modem along with a Qualcomm RTR8600 Multi-band/mode RF transceiver. Don't you say you know so much about mobile chips? And yet you didn't know that?
Not to mention that the informaion is in the iFixit and Anantech links I already sent you...
iFixit step 7
In fact, they use three versions of the baseband modem, Anadtech (for the A1428 "GSM", A1429 "GSM" and A1429 "CDMA"):
I don't read into what Anand or the others tell: I just read. They said it pretty clearly. And yes, it may be a guess, but it's the guess of the reputed sites against, well, just your personal opinion (it can't be rated even as a guess, more like a rant)
You say again and again that there is no evidence of the claim, but you can't give any evidence of your own theory. First try to prove your own theory about being an Exynos A9, then you can ask for FACTs when you give somehting.
And one more thing (pun inteded): it's obvious you don't know half as much as you think about mobile CPUs and SoCs. Deal with it.
33. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
I'm stubborn because I'm right way way way more often than I'm wrong.... especially on chips. You havent proved me wrong on this issue yet. You just have a belief that you are right without proof or history to back you up. You saw the word "custom" in an article and made it out to be something waaay more than it was.
2. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
sad. I don't like the monopoly of Qualcomm, every phone runs Snapdragon these days. Not that they suck, but that means less innovation in the chipsets. I hope Tegra 4 comes out soon along with Exynos 5.
3. predator93 (Posts: 122; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
This is sad, I just hope someone else takes their place to compete with qualcomm, samsung and nvidia.
5. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
Huaweii is cooking up some homebrew stuff so that's something we can look forward to.
7. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Yeah, that K3V2 processor they manufactured themselves, didn't they? It did out-perform the Tegra 3 if I'm not mistaken, that shows promise.
25. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1522; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Don´t expect too much.
The GPU seems an Adreno 225/PowerVR 543 MP2 equivalent and the quad core seems to be between the Tegra and the Exynos ones.
Not a bad one though.
27. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The K3V2 scored higher than the Tegra, but lower than the S4. So it an beat an A-9 quad, but can't quite stack up to Krait. Certainly not bad, considering it's their first attempt at a chip (to my knowledge).
9. predator93 (Posts: 122; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
The processor huawei used in their flagship was nice. It would be awesome if they have some more options for less demanding users like me.
4. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
The dual-core OMAPs of last year were pretty good. Sad.
6. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
what total BS. TI has actually been making really good SoCs. it'll be a shame to see them go.
8. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Exactly how I feel. I was also kind of disappointed they didn't make an A-9 quad this year, it probably would've been in the Razr (Maxx) HD. I wonder if they'll reconsider, or come back a few years down the road? It's doubtful, but eh.
32. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Im with you. I was really looking forward to the OMAP5 this year/next year. I guess they had some issues they just couldnt shake.
37. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
New info apparently,
Products with OMAP 5 are still on track and should be reaching consumers in early 2013. Though that still kills my dream about the Nexus with an OMAP 5, it's still nice to see TI isn't out of the game completely, but they are intimidated a bit by Qualcomm and Samsung.
38. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
well that's good. there's some real tough decisions ahead and i think that if there's not a Nexus at the end of this year then i'll just wait for the A15's.
39. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Yeah, it seems as though the only Nexus not "confirmed" yet is the Motorola one, and since I don't like phablets I'm not getting the rumored HTC Nexus 5. So my only options are LG, Samsung, and Sony; none of which sound as appealing as the idea of a Motorola Nexus.
I would wait for the A-15s to come out, but I don't think I can wait that long to get rid of my S2. I MIGHT be able to stick it out until about March, but I'll probably be mentally insane by then. If there really turns out to be no Motorola Nexus I'll just get the global Razr HD, closest thing to a Motorola Nexus I'll get.
40. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah, that's how i feel too except i'm not hurting so bad with this Galaxy Nexus right now. i might would consider the HTC Nexus though if they did it right. i'd probably suck up whatever i didn't like about the HTC before i got an LG Nexus though and as for the Samsung, i'd consider it if it weren't supposed to be as low-end as it's shaping up to be. the Motorola Nexus is a day 1-er for me (if i can afford it! xD) if all of these Nexuses just fail too much though well that is if there are any then i MIGHT would get the bootloader unlocked Razr MAXX HD. there would be a tough battle going on in my head about whether i should get it or wait though but i'll probably be so impressed with it when i get my hands on it for the first time that it may not be as hard as i think it is now. really phones have crossed a threshold now that even if you didn't get the highest spec'd one out of the group but still got a pretty high spec'd one instead then you would still truly prosper enough to a degree for it to probably be worth the money especially since you're upping the value of what you have so you can sell it and bury it into something else easier. i'm thinking i've had this Razr for too long because it's not going to bury but probably about half of what i'd get if i got something during the holidays. it'd be even less later.
41. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I would be better off with a Galaxy Nexus, I could definitely bear to wait a few more months. HTC's only real problem is Sense, and that will be gone with the Nexus. Battery life was a bit of a problem also, but I doubt HTC would put any less than a 2,000 mAh battery in their Nexus. Just that 5 inch display never really appealed to me, and unless they make the bezel so small that it's the same size as the One X, I'll pass.
How is the Samsung Nexus shaping up to be low-end? Wasn't there a screenshot of a device with the Exynos 5 chip appearing in benchmarks that was claiming to be the Galaxy Nexus 2? I could be mistaken, but I'm sure I read it somewhere. Though I highly doubt its legitimacy, I don't think Samsung will put anything lower than a 4212 or an S4 in there.
As soon as Google says "Motorola", "S4 Pro", and "Kevlar" in the same sentence I will be sold. Just, BOOM! Right there I will be throwing money at my monitor. If some of those words are not spoken, I will look at the Sony and the HTC if it's the same size as the One X with its 5 inch display (like I said before). But if none of those exist or appeal to me, I will go after the Razr HD. Those are my options now.
If there's a Motorola Nexus with an S4 Pro, get that. If it has a regular S4, look at the Sony or HTC. If the HTC is too big and the Sony doesn't have anything over the Motorola, get the Motorola. If there is no Motorola Nexus this year, the HTC Nexus is too big, and the Sony only has a regular S4, get the Razr HD. That's my process lol
42. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
yeah, Sense and HTC's conservative batteries are really the only turn offs they give me. i want to get an 8X as a secondary kind of.
from what i'm seeing so far it doesn't seem to be so impressive but we'll see.
lol, it's nice to see Manufacturers stepping up their game but it sure does make the choices hard for us. xD
43. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I like the 8X, but WP just never really did anything for me.
I don't believe those leaks, ARM11 CPU? Sounds fishy. That's probably a mistake. I don't believe they would make a low-end Nexus, then fans from other platforms would get it an say "Even the new Nexus has lag, Android sucks!" The lowest one of the Nexus should be is mid-range, to keep the price down a bit but still have great performance, like Google and Asus did with the Nexus 7.
I do enjoy more competition, but it does indeed make it harder on the consumer to choose a device. I swore off any non-Nexus device after getting my GS2, so I thought it would be easier for me to choose considering there's only 1 Nexus per year, but of course the year I decide to switch to Nexus permanently they decide to make multiple Nexus. And Motorola's latest devices might as well be considered Nexus because they have close to stock Android and should be updated quite quickly thanks to that, so that expands my options further to the new Razr series.
First world problems; it's so hard to choose a new smartphone :(
44. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
i actually owned a Trophy for a little bit so that i could give WP7 a fair shake and there's a lot to like in WP especially if you're as plugged into Microsoft services like i am with Hotmail, Xbox Live & Skype. the only things i really didn't like about it was it's terrible lack of power and the lack of application support and now that one of those 2 things have been resolved i'll be ready to try to jump on the bandwagon soon but the 8X...man, it might make me jump on sooner than i thought.
i was paying more attention to the rumor of it having dual A9 cores which might would make sense if they're trying to make a cheap Nexus phone equivalent to the N7. it might be the OMAP4470 that's being used in the new wave of e-reader tablets.
yeah, the phrase "be careful what you wish for" has never been so true. xD
45. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I had a couple days of personal use with the Radar, and it was nice for the most part but I just couldn't get over WP for some reason. The UI just bothered me somehow. And considering I'm more integrated into Google than I am Microsoft, it really didn't offer me anything over Android.
The OMAP 4470 in a cheap Nexus is actually a viable idea. Considering that the OMAP 4470 beats out the Tegra 3 in terms of GPU, it is very likely we might see it in a mid-range Nexus handset this year.
I just wanted things to be easy... But no, everything is more complicated and I had to come up with a new system for buying a phone this year. Never fails lol
46. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
oh yeah, Android will definitely be for you for a while longer then.
it really is. i mean it's not something i would get but just like what Google wanted to accomplish with the N7 it would get people more plugged into Google services and exposes the pure Android experience to the world more so those are definite pluses.
yeah, every year so far the Motorola/Verizon flagship combo has always been the easy choice for me but now there's things coming at me from all fronts.
47. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
You know something I've always wondered about the next Nexus? What if it's not multiple manufacturers making separate Nexus, but multiple manufacturers combining their technologies together to make a super Nexus?
A design like the Razr and One X had a love child, with the Nexus "X" logo in the middle of the Kevlar (Razr-esque style with the Motorola "M"), a Sony camera, Motorola antennae, either a 4.7" S-LCD 2 display or 4.7" new RGB S-Amoled HD display, 2 GB RAM, and a S4 Pro quad.
Not only that, but they would make 3 phones, the super Nexus mentioned above, and a mid-range and low-end Nexus. Like this;
Super Nexus; S4 Pro quad, 2 GB RAM, 4.7 HD display (SA+ HD or S-LCD 2) and Sony 13 MP camera. Priced $500-600
Mid-range Nexus; regular S4, 1 GB RAM, 4.5 inch HD S-Amoled display (No RGB), and 8 MP Sony camera. Priced $300-400
Low-end Nexus; OMAP 4470, 1 GB RAM, 4 inch qHD LCD display, and 5 MP Sony camera. Priced $200-300
All sharing similar designs, and being sold on the Google play store in 16 or 32 GB models.
High end Nexus should be called Nexus Prime, I don't know about the others, but the flagship should be the Nexus Prime. Or Nexus Omega... or is that too gaudy?
48. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
@KingKurogiii @Berzerk000 all your talks about this/these upcoming Google children sure are sweet!
I just have to add my own fantasy:
-sexy kevlar or a unibody ala OneX
-mammoth battery (at least 2000mah)
-8mp BSI sensor
-720p screen at 4.5"-5" (AMOLED or LCD doesn't matter to me)
-Processor.... as long as it's dual S4 and above I'm fine with that.
That's my Nexus and it's probably an HTC or a Moto. :p
50. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
nice, i guess you'll be interested in a Razr HD if there's not a Nexus that tricks your trigger huh?
51. cepcamba (Posts: 717; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
I actually want to trade-in my Xperia S and add some cash to get a Razr Maxx HD. I like to new Moto UI, it's really the nearest to Vanilla among stock UIs. If it gets plenty of dev support then I'm solidly sold.
I can see myself holding on to something like that for about two years. BUT if a Moto Nexus comes and have the same (or nearly the same) specs and materials then it's a no brainer for me XD
49. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
that's an interesting theory, one i wouldn't mind seeing come true. o:
or Nexus Supreme! >;D
52. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Nexus Supreme? Seems a bit forward... I like it. But Google is a bit more modest than that lol
So much going on; all of this new Nexus talk, back to back releases of new and exciting devices, and I'm going to build my own PC next month... So much nerd, too much, too much...
11. evil_slayer (Posts: 50; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)
damn it...i was really looking forward to the OMAP 5 Chipset
OMAP 4 was really really good :/
12. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1236; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
OMAP5 up in smoke! I hope by "shifting focus away" they don't completely shut down mobile chips. You never know they might take a backseat in the game right now but may surprise us in the future! Just hopin...moreover diversity is good for us folks.
13. jroc74 (Posts: 6004; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I'm also an OMAP fan.
Oh well. Maybe Motorola could team up with them and offer a chip like the new Snapdragon that has LTE embedded. Since Motorola was one of their biggest customers.
14. Jimstar (Posts: 259; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
dangit, and OMAP5 chips were set to come out this quarter weren't they?
18. Retro-touch (Posts: 273; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
Maybe there wasn't enough interest from customers (Samsung, Motorola etc..) as has been mentioned they have their own chipset solutions. Not enough business means losses and businesses don't run on goodwill, even if the tech is good the markets gotta be there
15. Jimstar (Posts: 259; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
also will they at least continue to do updates for the virtual sea of devices running their OMAP4 chips?
16. mercorp (Posts: 1027; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)
Goodbye,and thanks for powering tje razr,kindle fire and others.
19. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)
i hope they will actually come back few years down the road..
21. Captain_Doug (Posts: 996; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
I was really looking forward to having the 5430 in my next device. I literally have it on my dreamphone setup.
23. Techboi (Posts: 84; Member since: 20 Sep 2012)
Hopefully a device will come out with Omap5 at least
26. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
I guess TI messed up on OMAP 5 badly and instead of playing catchup, decided to go into some other market.