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Texas Instruments shareholders want the company to exit the mobile chip business

0. phoneArena 13 Aug 2012, 10:59 posted on

Shareholders of TI want the company to face facts and realize that Qualcomm's S4 processor and the upcoming NVIDIA Tegra 3+ are eating Texas Instrument's lunch and want the company to exit the mobile chips business...

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posted on 13 Aug 2012, 18:50

36. remixfa (Posts: 14512; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ok.. seriously..

take a step back and look at the field

tell me which phone the S4-Pro is in CURRENTLY?

oh.. NONE.. its not out yet.

Thus, the 4420 is still king. Its not that hard.

And no, the only thing different between the S4 and the S4 pro is the exchanging of the Adreno to 320 from 225 or whatever it currently is. The CPU and the rest of the architecture is still unchanged and thus.. sub par. The only tests out for it so far have been GRAPHICAL, aka, looking at the GPU.

If your going to proclaim that a chip that is not expected to be out for another 4-6 months is "king", then the S4 still loses to Exynos.. to the Exynos 5250 which will be out about the same time if not sooner. True A15 unlike the wannabe "A15 equivilant" lie of the S4, massive CPU jump and the Mali 605 absolutely dominates everything but the next PowerVR GPU that is slated to be on the Omap5... if that ever comes out.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 18:53 2

37. remixfa (Posts: 14512; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


A15 quads havent been announced yet. Its A15 dual.

Samsung said that their exynos 5250 A15 will be in tablets FIRST and then into phones.. not exclusively to tablets. Its a production supply issue. Sell it through tablets while they ramp up production for phones which sell exponentially more.

That also doesnt mean that they could just be being funny and introduce it in everyone's favorite phablet, the Note2 which is to be unveiled this month some time... Not a big chance, but ya never know.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 19:00

38. true1984 (Posts: 829; Member since: 23 May 2012)


2 months actually, lg is using the s4 pro in two new phones

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 19:43

39. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


My point is that they haven't even been announced. The S4 Pro will be in things is the next few months, but the A15s are still in planning stages. Chances are that the A15 duals will be slightly behind it. The GPUs might be slightly better, because they will be newer, but the processors themselves will be behind.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 20:16

40. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)


I believe that ARM themself have a A15+ 8 core which runs at 3.0ghz and its not avaialable to public. Just imagine that along with a 4Gb ram and T658 mali 8 core overclocked to 527hz gpu.Wishfull thinking!

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 20:18

41. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)


I cant wait to get hold of one and root it, and overclock it.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 20:24

42. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


I can't imagine that being useful, but that would be awesome. If they put it in a device now, I would buy it tomorrow. For now, the S4 Pro is what we can hope for.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 22:41

46. remixfa (Posts: 14512; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


late sept/early october.. in the US? That's a bet. Black friday to Xmas at the earliest is my bet.

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 00:33 1

52. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


They are not ready to be sold in devices yet. The S4 pro is already in devices that are coming out soon. It has moved past prototypes and Demos. Read the article. It says that the S4 Pro should be faster running apps designed for multiple cores.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 23:02 1

48. remixfa (Posts: 14512; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Samsung has been demoing A15's in tablets for months. You guys need to catch up. They are production ready. The ONLY thing that might slow it up is LTE integration. Of course, being on a tablet that doesnt matter so much, which is another reason they are going tablet first.

And btw, its not just me that understands the tech, its the entire tech review industry that agrees with me.

"ther than that GPU which includes support for up to WQXGA (2,560 x 1,600) resolutions -- perfect for the 11.8-inch P10 mentioned in court filings -- and much more, the white paper uncovered by Android Authority also mentions support for features like Wi-Fi Display, high bandwidth LPDDR3 RAM running at up to 800MHz with a bandwidth of 12.8GBps, USB 3.0 and SATA III."

http://www.guru3d.com/news/samsung-exynos-5-cortex-a15-dual-chip-uncovered/

"The Exynos 5 Dual is the chip you should look for in upcoming tablets and smartphones, as it should have the most powerful CPU and GPU of any new chips coming out by the end of the year, including the S4 Pro and OMAP 5. Next year, we can begin talking about the quad-core Tegra 4 and the Exynos 5 Quad, but, until then, Exynos 5 Dual should reign supreme in the mobile market in terms of performance and features."

http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-exynos-5-dual-specs-features-106609/

video demo
http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/08/10/arm-demonstrates-mali-t604-gpu-in-samsung-exynos-5-dual-cortex-a15-processor/
http://hothardware.com/News/Samsung-Unveils-Exynos-5-Dual-Cortex-A15-based-Mobile-Application-Processor/

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 23:13 1

50. true1984 (Posts: 829; Member since: 23 May 2012)


you're on! and the loser owes the winner a soda

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 23:15 1

51. remixfa (Posts: 14512; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


your on. I expect an IBC cream soda mailed to me. Havent had one of those in forever.

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 01:15 1

53. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


The S4 Pro has the Adreno 320 GPU and double the cores of the S4. The current S4 dual will not be as good as the A15 duals, but the S4 Pro will be better. And when the A15s are coming out, the S4s are expected to get a frequency boost of 500-1000 MHz.

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 05:55

54. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)


Qualcomm have 4 types of chip, apq. Msm. And another 2, I havnt looked up.

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 06:16 1

55. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


The king may be Exynos, but the money is all in Snapdragon.

The Pro will have a faster GPU. If they decide to shove an extra 2 cores into the S4, it'll be almost like Tegra 3 vs S4 v1 all over again.

Qualcomm is apparently planning a revision to get the per clock performance at or above Cortex A15 with similar clock speeds too, and most likely a heavily OC'd Adreno 320 to go with it.

You can hate Qualcomm all you want, but they have the market by the balls because they know what the OEMs need out of an SoC. Even if they don't sell the SoCs, they still win. Their modems are in the iPhone 4s, and will undoubtedly end up in the iPhone 5. Sometimes, it doesn't matter whether the CPU and GPU are the fastest and the bandwidth is the greatest. If an SoC was just those two components, it would be an APU, not an SoC.

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 08:08

56. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


See that's the thing, we still don't know of any product with the Exynos 5. At least the S4 Pro has been confirmed in devices just waiting to be released. You can Google it.

There are people who are benchmarking the S4 Pro so that has to count for something. I STILL haven't seen any Exynos 5 benchmarking, thus meaning it may still be a ways off.

FACT is the dual-core S4 Pro, steps on the quad-core Exynos 4 like you did as a child when you saw an ant on the street.

When the dual-core A15 Exynos 5 comes out, Qualcomm will counter with a massive 2.5GHz S4 Krait Pro quad-core.

I still haven't heard of ANY A15 quad-cores at ALL. As much as you hate Qualcomm they have been in the game way longer than Samsung & all Samsung did is wake the sleeping giant. Qualcomm is flexing some serious muscle & you need to finally see that. It doesn’t get more "high end" & more functional that Qualcomm at the moment.

Qualcomm always had great SoC's but it took some strong competition from Samsung to push & show what true power Qualcomm has up its sleeves. Face it, the performance is growing exponentially & it's getting more & more difficult to see the differences in power, but where Qualcomm kills Samsung is in completeness. Meaning Qualcomm can be used ANYWHERE, & that is something Samsung chips STILL can't match, thus giving the advantage to Qualcomm. I mean Samsung's own phones rock S4 Krait chipsets, because their Exynos 4 just don’t work outside of Korea that is. That is why Qualcomm shines.

Samsung has an image to maintain, & if these S4 Krait chips are not “high end” then why did Samsung choose them for their “high end” Samsung Galaxy S III? Food for thought!

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 08:17

57. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


+1 for you my good man.

I mean that is CLEARLY the main reason why Qualcomm is #1 in the world. They know that there is more than power to make a great SoC.

Qualcomm has the PERFECT balance of POWER, USABILITY & PERFORMANCE. It also doesn't hurt that their SoC's just work in any part of the world including the biggest markets in the world.

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 14:40

58. remixfa (Posts: 14512; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


oi.

devices coming out around Xmas which is the same launch window of the A15 which is "Q4".
what about that is so hard? None of the Pro devices are coming out before Q4. Being rumored/announced doesnt mean anything on the timeline. How long was the Bionic announced before it came out ? 9 months? lol.

Samsung plays their chips close to the vest since they primarily use them for themselves. They didnt confirm that the S3 was going to be the Quad 4412 until just a week or 2 before it was officially unveiled.. Do you really expect them to tell you what phone the A15 is going to be in months before it happens?

Slightly faster in 1 category while being way slower in everything else. If an app opens in 0.3 seconds vs 0.4 seconds, do you really notice? Concentrate on all the features the Exynos 5 has that the Pro doesnt, and how much more powerful the vast majority of the shared features are on the E5.

Point is, you guys get your hopes up for impossible time lines. These chips will be dropping in commercial phones relatively at the same time.

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 14:44

59. remixfa (Posts: 14512; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


":FACT is the dual-core S4 Pro, steps on the quad-core Exynos 4 like you did as a child when you saw an ant on the street. "

so you think a 10-30% GPU performance improvement over the 4412 is "stepping on ants"?

Come on down from the fan soap box.

If you actually read ANY of the links I provided, they all talked about the fact that the exynos 5 QUAD is scheduled to drop around the same time as the Krait Quad or shortly after.

I dont see the whole sleeping giant thing. The S4 is one of the weakest high end chips, the S4 pro barely tops the A9 charts and will be left in the dust when real A15's drop. The S4 quad will have a similar fate vs the E5 quad.

If it wasnt for the lack of the exynos not having LTE integration while the S4 does, qualcom would be history.

Besides, the biggest chip manufacturer is Samsung, not Qualcomm. They handily do more business than qualcomm.
The iphone and Galaxy 1,2,3 count for WELL MORE than 50% of the industry by themselves. The rest is split up between S4, T3, and Omap4.

More facts, less fan. :)

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 14:47

60. remixfa (Posts: 14512; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


fun fact.

qualcom makes less per chip than samsung does. it sells at a much lower price than exynos.

Samsung OWNS more than 50% of the smartphone chip market. Qualcomm has like 20-25% at best as it splits the rest with Nvidia and Texas Instruments. Samsung sells MORE THAN all other android manufacturers combined + they make all the chips for apple. Do the math.

The money is all Exynos/A5, which are samsung products.

posted on 15 Aug 2012, 02:53 2

61. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


You're still forgetting that Qualcomm holds all the patents for CDMA2000 AND a ton of key patents for UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+/DC-HSPA+. Every phone sold with CDMA or UMTS in the US is money for Qualcomm.

Samsung didn't have a hand in making the A5. They helped out a TON with the A4, but Apple bought off a company that designed the A5 chip. Samsung does make the A5 chip though, but then that's like saying that TSMC "owns" 50% of the GPU market because they make ATI and Nvidia GPUs.

It's not about the CPU and GPU. It's about the modems, and that's what Samsung doesn't make. What's the modem powering an iPhone? Qualcomm MDM series chips. What GPS solution is in the iPhone? MDM series chips. What powers every DC-HSPA+/LTE phone? Qualcomm solutions.

You can call them Crapdragons all you want, Qualcomm doesn't give a crap because they're swimming in pools of profit.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:13

62. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Thank you, almost every phone in the world has something from Qualcomm. Their modems are the standard & are used all over the world. lol

Thank you.

+1

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 13:22

11. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Scary shareholders, the mobile phone industry is in a big boom right now and shareholders want to left this booming space to focus on what they do best. I thought in business you have to fight competition.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:13 1

16. BattleBrat (Posts: 1476; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


I hate qualcomm, mostly for their radio's subpar reception, I'm saddened to see MOTO's next offering is packing a qualcomm processor, I prefer a Tegra or Exynos....

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:16

17. robocopvn (Posts: 445; Member since: 10 Mar 2010)


Ti Omap4 is one of th best of A9 CPU (Goolge choose it for Galaxy Nexus). However it's too slow introducing new quad-core A9 and A15dual core. That's why at this moment Ti Omap4 cannot compete with T3 and ExynosQuad and S4 !

And I don't understand TI's

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:18 1

19. robocopvn (Posts: 445; Member since: 10 Mar 2010)


Ti Omap4 is one of th best of A9 CPU (Goolge choose it for Galaxy Nexus). However it's too slow introducing new quad-core A9 and A15dual core. That's why at this moment Ti Omap4 cannot compete with T3 and ExynosQuad and S4 !

And I don't understand TI's investers. They really want to get out of the fastest growing and profitable market ?? sorry for double post , I cannot edit my last one :(

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:46 3

22. iCandy (Posts: 46; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


AMD, this is your golden chance...

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 17:56

33. master0fursinz (Posts: 104; Member since: 26 Apr 2010)


This is like i said before pretty dumb for investors to do. Yes there is huge growing market for mobile chips, alot of competition but you need the right salesman for the job. TI needs a guy to pitch these chips like blue chips at a casino and gain back lost companies.

And if they do sell off the division I pray that Google buys it quick. This will help them eliminate the middle man for Motorola Mobility. It will also give them some extra power behind chip patents and impelmentation in Android OS.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 21:58

43. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


i think TI shouldn't exit... they still make good chips... i think if Microsoft will just allow manufacturers to use other chips besides Qualcomm's (i really dont know why they are supper strick to this segement, maybye to avoid the buggyness) they can still make good market!

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 21:58

44. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


no to mention cheap production... they need to offer it cheaply!

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