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Texas Instruments shareholders want the company to exit the mobile chip business

0. phoneArena 13 Aug 2012, 10:59 posted on

Shareholders of TI want the company to face facts and realize that Qualcomm's S4 processor and the upcoming NVIDIA Tegra 3+ are eating Texas Instrument's lunch and want the company to exit the mobile chips business...

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posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:53 1

23. ph00ny (Posts: 1264; Member since: 26 May 2011)


if you say so.
People see a few quadrant scores and automatically assume it's twice as good because it's close to some of the quad core A9 scores but if you actually look at non-qualcomm benchmark scores, it's not that much better than cortex A9 variants in cpu scores core to core

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:57 1

25. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)


That's what I was saying.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 15:29 1

28. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


sounds more like fanboy hope to me.

right now the king is exynos 4420.

when the proncomes out at chrismas it will be faster than tye 4420 by about 20-30% in gpu only... thats the only part that changes.

know what else is supposed to be out before christmas? the exynos 5250 A15 and supposedly the OMAP5 a15. both which paper specs anniliate the pro's paper specs. hell even the tegra3+ might be out by then which will place just below the pro most likely.

nothing i said was unfactual regardless of emotion my friend.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 18:16 1

34. true1984 (Posts: 824; Member since: 23 May 2012)


how can the 4420 be king? in actual performance it loses to the s4 pro in everything, not just gpu and not just the qualcomm benchmark tests by a large margin. and paper specs are just that, paper. on paper i thought the 4420 was gonna murder the s4 pro, but it didnt.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 18:50

36. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ok.. seriously..

take a step back and look at the field

tell me which phone the S4-Pro is in CURRENTLY?

oh.. NONE.. its not out yet.

Thus, the 4420 is still king. Its not that hard.

And no, the only thing different between the S4 and the S4 pro is the exchanging of the Adreno to 320 from 225 or whatever it currently is. The CPU and the rest of the architecture is still unchanged and thus.. sub par. The only tests out for it so far have been GRAPHICAL, aka, looking at the GPU.

If your going to proclaim that a chip that is not expected to be out for another 4-6 months is "king", then the S4 still loses to Exynos.. to the Exynos 5250 which will be out about the same time if not sooner. True A15 unlike the wannabe "A15 equivilant" lie of the S4, massive CPU jump and the Mali 605 absolutely dominates everything but the next PowerVR GPU that is slated to be on the Omap5... if that ever comes out.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 19:00

38. true1984 (Posts: 824; Member since: 23 May 2012)


2 months actually, lg is using the s4 pro in two new phones

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 22:41

46. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


late sept/early october.. in the US? That's a bet. Black friday to Xmas at the earliest is my bet.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 23:13 1

50. true1984 (Posts: 824; Member since: 23 May 2012)


you're on! and the loser owes the winner a soda

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 23:15 1

51. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


your on. I expect an IBC cream soda mailed to me. Havent had one of those in forever.

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 01:15 1

53. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


The S4 Pro has the Adreno 320 GPU and double the cores of the S4. The current S4 dual will not be as good as the A15 duals, but the S4 Pro will be better. And when the A15s are coming out, the S4s are expected to get a frequency boost of 500-1000 MHz.

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 08:08

56. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


See that's the thing, we still don't know of any product with the Exynos 5. At least the S4 Pro has been confirmed in devices just waiting to be released. You can Google it.

There are people who are benchmarking the S4 Pro so that has to count for something. I STILL haven't seen any Exynos 5 benchmarking, thus meaning it may still be a ways off.

FACT is the dual-core S4 Pro, steps on the quad-core Exynos 4 like you did as a child when you saw an ant on the street.

When the dual-core A15 Exynos 5 comes out, Qualcomm will counter with a massive 2.5GHz S4 Krait Pro quad-core.

I still haven't heard of ANY A15 quad-cores at ALL. As much as you hate Qualcomm they have been in the game way longer than Samsung & all Samsung did is wake the sleeping giant. Qualcomm is flexing some serious muscle & you need to finally see that. It doesn’t get more "high end" & more functional that Qualcomm at the moment.

Qualcomm always had great SoC's but it took some strong competition from Samsung to push & show what true power Qualcomm has up its sleeves. Face it, the performance is growing exponentially & it's getting more & more difficult to see the differences in power, but where Qualcomm kills Samsung is in completeness. Meaning Qualcomm can be used ANYWHERE, & that is something Samsung chips STILL can't match, thus giving the advantage to Qualcomm. I mean Samsung's own phones rock S4 Krait chipsets, because their Exynos 4 just don’t work outside of Korea that is. That is why Qualcomm shines.

Samsung has an image to maintain, & if these S4 Krait chips are not “high end” then why did Samsung choose them for their “high end” Samsung Galaxy S III? Food for thought!

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 14:44

59. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


":FACT is the dual-core S4 Pro, steps on the quad-core Exynos 4 like you did as a child when you saw an ant on the street. "

so you think a 10-30% GPU performance improvement over the 4412 is "stepping on ants"?

Come on down from the fan soap box.

If you actually read ANY of the links I provided, they all talked about the fact that the exynos 5 QUAD is scheduled to drop around the same time as the Krait Quad or shortly after.

I dont see the whole sleeping giant thing. The S4 is one of the weakest high end chips, the S4 pro barely tops the A9 charts and will be left in the dust when real A15's drop. The S4 quad will have a similar fate vs the E5 quad.

If it wasnt for the lack of the exynos not having LTE integration while the S4 does, qualcom would be history.

Besides, the biggest chip manufacturer is Samsung, not Qualcomm. They handily do more business than qualcomm.
The iphone and Galaxy 1,2,3 count for WELL MORE than 50% of the industry by themselves. The rest is split up between S4, T3, and Omap4.

More facts, less fan. :)

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 06:16 1

55. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


The king may be Exynos, but the money is all in Snapdragon.

The Pro will have a faster GPU. If they decide to shove an extra 2 cores into the S4, it'll be almost like Tegra 3 vs S4 v1 all over again.

Qualcomm is apparently planning a revision to get the per clock performance at or above Cortex A15 with similar clock speeds too, and most likely a heavily OC'd Adreno 320 to go with it.

You can hate Qualcomm all you want, but they have the market by the balls because they know what the OEMs need out of an SoC. Even if they don't sell the SoCs, they still win. Their modems are in the iPhone 4s, and will undoubtedly end up in the iPhone 5. Sometimes, it doesn't matter whether the CPU and GPU are the fastest and the bandwidth is the greatest. If an SoC was just those two components, it would be an APU, not an SoC.

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 08:17

57. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


+1 for you my good man.

I mean that is CLEARLY the main reason why Qualcomm is #1 in the world. They know that there is more than power to make a great SoC.

Qualcomm has the PERFECT balance of POWER, USABILITY & PERFORMANCE. It also doesn't hurt that their SoC's just work in any part of the world including the biggest markets in the world.

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 14:47

60. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


fun fact.

qualcom makes less per chip than samsung does. it sells at a much lower price than exynos.

Samsung OWNS more than 50% of the smartphone chip market. Qualcomm has like 20-25% at best as it splits the rest with Nvidia and Texas Instruments. Samsung sells MORE THAN all other android manufacturers combined + they make all the chips for apple. Do the math.

The money is all Exynos/A5, which are samsung products.

posted on 15 Aug 2012, 02:53 2

61. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


You're still forgetting that Qualcomm holds all the patents for CDMA2000 AND a ton of key patents for UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+/DC-HSPA+. Every phone sold with CDMA or UMTS in the US is money for Qualcomm.

Samsung didn't have a hand in making the A5. They helped out a TON with the A4, but Apple bought off a company that designed the A5 chip. Samsung does make the A5 chip though, but then that's like saying that TSMC "owns" 50% of the GPU market because they make ATI and Nvidia GPUs.

It's not about the CPU and GPU. It's about the modems, and that's what Samsung doesn't make. What's the modem powering an iPhone? Qualcomm MDM series chips. What GPS solution is in the iPhone? MDM series chips. What powers every DC-HSPA+/LTE phone? Qualcomm solutions.

You can call them Crapdragons all you want, Qualcomm doesn't give a crap because they're swimming in pools of profit.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:13

62. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Thank you, almost every phone in the world has something from Qualcomm. Their modems are the standard & are used all over the world. lol

Thank you.

+1

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:43

21. true1984 (Posts: 824; Member since: 23 May 2012)


The problem with that is we dont know when those will get released either or if OMAP5 can out perform the S4 Pro yet. We've seen the S4 Pro's capabilities so I just want to see what Exynos 5 has to offer.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:56

24. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)


The snapdragon S4 Krait in the US, performance of Krait
is on par with upclocked 1.5 Tegra 3 QC proc shipping
in the international HTC OneX . The 4412 in the chart gives
a great comparison between the S4(OneX) and the 4412
International S3, although the OneX scores are on the low
side of the Quadrant scores I've seen. Typically S4 ranges
4800-5200 overall. The hi10p playback on the US version is
how dependent playback is on multithreading. S4 has
strong single threading . S4 has strong single threaded
performance and scales well in multithreading, but I don't
no that this makes up for the loss of 2 cores.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 15:00 1

26. ILikeBubbles (Posts: 525; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


i agree with pretty much everything... but i do love me some S4.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 15:35

29. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)


So do I. I like the S4 TO!

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 17:34

31. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


You are either a huge Samsung fanboy or simply don't know what you're talking about.
Haven't it occurred to you that there's a reason why every mobile chip vendor can't simply assemble an integrated architecture like "crapdragon"?
Its not that simple, you ignorant.
There's a complex compromise in each and every of different chip solutions.

Besides and btw, adreno is a unified shader architecture.
Mali "destroys" it only in pixel shader tasks.
In high polygon rendering mali 400MP4 is hugely inferior to adreno 225.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 13:22

11. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Scary shareholders, the mobile phone industry is in a big boom right now and shareholders want to left this booming space to focus on what they do best. I thought in business you have to fight competition.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:13 1

16. BattleBrat (Posts: 1476; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


I hate qualcomm, mostly for their radio's subpar reception, I'm saddened to see MOTO's next offering is packing a qualcomm processor, I prefer a Tegra or Exynos....

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:16

17. robocopvn (Posts: 436; Member since: 10 Mar 2010)


Ti Omap4 is one of th best of A9 CPU (Goolge choose it for Galaxy Nexus). However it's too slow introducing new quad-core A9 and A15dual core. That's why at this moment Ti Omap4 cannot compete with T3 and ExynosQuad and S4 !

And I don't understand TI's

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:18 1

19. robocopvn (Posts: 436; Member since: 10 Mar 2010)


Ti Omap4 is one of th best of A9 CPU (Goolge choose it for Galaxy Nexus). However it's too slow introducing new quad-core A9 and A15dual core. That's why at this moment Ti Omap4 cannot compete with T3 and ExynosQuad and S4 !

And I don't understand TI's investers. They really want to get out of the fastest growing and profitable market ?? sorry for double post , I cannot edit my last one :(

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:46 3

22. iCandy (Posts: 46; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


AMD, this is your golden chance...

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 17:56

33. master0fursinz (Posts: 104; Member since: 26 Apr 2010)


This is like i said before pretty dumb for investors to do. Yes there is huge growing market for mobile chips, alot of competition but you need the right salesman for the job. TI needs a guy to pitch these chips like blue chips at a casino and gain back lost companies.

And if they do sell off the division I pray that Google buys it quick. This will help them eliminate the middle man for Motorola Mobility. It will also give them some extra power behind chip patents and impelmentation in Android OS.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 21:58

43. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


i think TI shouldn't exit... they still make good chips... i think if Microsoft will just allow manufacturers to use other chips besides Qualcomm's (i really dont know why they are supper strick to this segement, maybye to avoid the buggyness) they can still make good market!

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 21:58

44. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


no to mention cheap production... they need to offer it cheaply!

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