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Texas Instruments shareholders want the company to exit the mobile chip business

0. phoneArena 13 Aug 2012, 10:59 posted on

Shareholders of TI want the company to face facts and realize that Qualcomm's S4 processor and the upcoming NVIDIA Tegra 3+ are eating Texas Instrument's lunch and want the company to exit the mobile chips business...

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posted on 13 Aug 2012, 11:06 7

1. master0fursinz (Posts: 104; Member since: 26 Apr 2010)

if TI is selling someone is going to buy and change up this hardware to make it more competitive and make a killing. i think these shareholders need to rethink this move. I say they go in and redesign a chip to keep up with the demands and make new partnerships. this is only the opinion of a droid user though.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 22:20 1

45. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1530; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)

I agree completely, and I think I should add that what you are saying is most likely what the leaders over at TI are doing right now. The problem is the shareholders are mostly interested in making money, and they want to make money as quickly as possible. So, for them, it would be easier for the company to keep doing what it use to do instead of spending time and money in the mobile market. It's very possible for TI to spend the resources and create a great mobile chip brand, but the shareholders see the amount of resources and time you would have to spend as a somewhat big risk and they would much rather play it safe (or so it seems).

It'll be interesting to see what TI does, but I do hope they take that risk and go forward in the mobile chip market.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 11:14 7

2. amancarlos (Posts: 42; Member since: 09 May 2012)

*TI is known for their open hardware
*till what I've heard OMAP 5 rocks.
*LTE is not necessary to sell in the international markets

hope the shareholders are reading this

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 11:39 2

4. nyamo (Posts: 274; Member since: 19 Mar 2011)

I've always liked TI for being modder friendly. They may not be the power house like what Samsung makes but the less proprietary blobs needed to work around the better

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 11:20

3. OpTiMuS_BlAcK (Posts: 418; Member since: 04 May 2012)

Maybe Intel is facing the same problem too~

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 11:55 1

6. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1543; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)

What Intel is facing is too much time being a psedo-monopoly and being used to sell their motherboards at the price they wanted. They are just not used to have real competition.
Their mobile SoCs are not that bad, but the price for them does not make sense for anyone to buy.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 11:52 5

5. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)

do they realize that mobile chip business will be the future? If they just continue developing faster and greater chips, they won't be left behind. I hope they could see the big future of mobile chip business before they could be totally forgotten if they leave.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 11:56 1

7. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1543; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)

I was going to post pretty much the same: if you are out of the mobile chips you are just out of the fastest growing (and in the future the biggest) for chip makers.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 18:21

35. Phullofphil (Posts: 802; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)

I think they know what's at stake, the thing is its not just mobile chips that are the future but mobile in general. There other parts in the mobile devices that are apart of the future.and I think Texas instruments knows that and are finding there nitch in the industry.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 12:07

8. Hammerfest (Posts: 384; Member since: 12 May 2012)

Have to agree with pretty much all of the previous posts...

Not to mention my extreme dislike for Qualcomm extending back to my HTC Titan days where they promised several times to implament a GFX driver and never did (and in the next 4 devices HTC put out with qualcrap chips as well)...

If It where up to me, id make it primarily TI, nVidia, and Samsung... screw qualcomm...

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 12:11 6

9. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

what short sited investors. Get out of the fastest growth vector pretty much in the world right now? What sort of lunacy is that. Especially when their last product was second only to exynos. If they need to retool for all in one solutions, then get to it. Get OMAP5 out and get moving.
Screw qualcomm, their chips suck and I'm tired of seeing them in "high end phones" when they are not high end chips. Its not about "samsung fanboy" like people like to proclaim, its about expectations and delivery. Ti has a history of delivering better than everyone but samsung. There is zero reason for them to exit the sector. There is every reason for them to double down though. If all in one is what the sector wants, then make it happen.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 13:17 3

10. true1984 (Posts: 829; Member since: 23 May 2012)

We all know you don't like Qualcomm but we all have to be honest here, right now the have the best dual core chips available in the the market. And if the Pro is compatable with LTE like they say they might be on top until we get performance specs on the Exynos 5

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 13:27 2

12. nyamo (Posts: 274; Member since: 19 Mar 2011)

LTE does not make a phone. many markets over seas do not require LTE to sell a great phone. I for one avoid it like the plauge with ATT's small footprint right now. Next gen technology is not nearly mature enough to force every consumer on to it.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 13:27

13. crankyd00d (Posts: 191; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Looks to me like they want to avoid the hassle of acquiring a baseband company as it would be very hard and expensive, and then they would need a couple of years to integrate that into their designs, the future is integrated or die and they know it, I hope they go for it, just as you said they make good chips, and losing competitors is never good

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 13:42 3

14. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


You normally post factual & true stuff. This time you clearly spoke with emotion instead of fact. It it clear that right now as it stands the Qualcomm Krait S4 is the KING of mobile processors, by a long shot.

They are insanely powerful & work with LTE out of the box. They work with ALL LTE's not just the ones in Korea like the quad-core Exynos 4.

The Qualcomm Krait S4 Pro dual-core clearly outclasses the Exynos 4 quad-core & is king right now in the benchmarks by such a HUGE margin. Who knows when the Exynos 5 will be in a phone or tablet. All I know is the Qualcomm dual-core S4 Krait Pro is right around the corner & by winter there will be quad-core S4 Krait's that will munch on Exynos 5 A15 dual-cores.

Who knows, you maybe having a bad day but you have never been more wrong like you are right now. Hopefully you will get your senses back & see the error of your way. To say Qualcomm chips suck is clearly opinion based & so far off the truth.

If you are going to release a "high end" phone right now the S4 Krait Pro is the ONLY way to go.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 13:52

15. true1984 (Posts: 829; Member since: 23 May 2012)

But in the US it is a big deal, Thats why they care about making phones with LTE capability. If not then my EVO would've had a Tegra 3 instead of an S4. Besides you know they mostly use HSPA+ overseas right?

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:17 1

18. ph00ny (Posts: 1404; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Krait isn't the king until the quad core version in pro version gets released. By then they may get overrun by OMAP5 and Exynos5 again

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:27

20. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

Sounds more like hate to me. lol

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:43

21. true1984 (Posts: 829; Member since: 23 May 2012)

The problem with that is we dont know when those will get released either or if OMAP5 can out perform the S4 Pro yet. We've seen the S4 Pro's capabilities so I just want to see what Exynos 5 has to offer.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:53 1

23. ph00ny (Posts: 1404; Member since: 26 May 2011)

if you say so.
People see a few quadrant scores and automatically assume it's twice as good because it's close to some of the quad core A9 scores but if you actually look at non-qualcomm benchmark scores, it's not that much better than cortex A9 variants in cpu scores core to core

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:56

24. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)

The snapdragon S4 Krait in the US, performance of Krait
is on par with upclocked 1.5 Tegra 3 QC proc shipping
in the international HTC OneX . The 4412 in the chart gives
a great comparison between the S4(OneX) and the 4412
International S3, although the OneX scores are on the low
side of the Quadrant scores I've seen. Typically S4 ranges
4800-5200 overall. The hi10p playback on the US version is
how dependent playback is on multithreading. S4 has
strong single threading . S4 has strong single threaded
performance and scales well in multithreading, but I don't
no that this makes up for the loss of 2 cores.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 14:57 1

25. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)

That's what I was saying.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 15:00 1

26. ILikeBubbles (Posts: 525; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)

i agree with pretty much everything... but i do love me some S4.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 15:24

27. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

best how exactly? their only benefits are cheap cost and integrated lte. other than that the exynos whips it pretty handily in just about everying from battery to gpu. it manages to only be a hair better than the tegra 3 in some tests. the pro puts it barely above the a9 exynos quad in gpu.. it still cant keep up with the a15 exynos at all nor the proposed omap5. i dont put heavy consideration on LTE. battery and horsepower are way more important.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 15:29 1

28. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

sounds more like fanboy hope to me.

right now the king is exynos 4420.

when the proncomes out at chrismas it will be faster than tye 4420 by about 20-30% in gpu only... thats the only part that changes.

know what else is supposed to be out before christmas? the exynos 5250 A15 and supposedly the OMAP5 a15. both which paper specs anniliate the pro's paper specs. hell even the tegra3+ might be out by then which will place just below the pro most likely.

nothing i said was unfactual regardless of emotion my friend.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 15:35

29. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)

So do I. I like the S4 TO!

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 17:05 2

30. true1984 (Posts: 829; Member since: 23 May 2012)

the exynos in the galaxy note cannot out perform the s4. the quad core in the international version destroys the s4 but gets destroyed by the s4 pro. the s4 pro basically beats any mobile processor on the market right now, that's why i said it'll be on top until the exynos 5 comes out. and i havent seen any specs on omap 5 so i'll concede to that point. also like i said before us carriers are putting heavy emphasis on lte. and the last exynos was capable of lte, samsung didnt use it because the s4 was more powerful.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 17:42 1

32. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)

It has one killer feature...It is on the market. The S4 Pro will be in phones months before the A15 quads are in phones (Samsung said that their Exynos quads will only be in tablets).

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 17:34

31. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

You are either a huge Samsung fanboy or simply don't know what you're talking about.
Haven't it occurred to you that there's a reason why every mobile chip vendor can't simply assemble an integrated architecture like "crapdragon"?
Its not that simple, you ignorant.
There's a complex compromise in each and every of different chip solutions.

Besides and btw, adreno is a unified shader architecture.
Mali "destroys" it only in pixel shader tasks.
In high polygon rendering mali 400MP4 is hugely inferior to adreno 225.

posted on 13 Aug 2012, 18:16 1

34. true1984 (Posts: 829; Member since: 23 May 2012)

how can the 4420 be king? in actual performance it loses to the s4 pro in everything, not just gpu and not just the qualcomm benchmark tests by a large margin. and paper specs are just that, paper. on paper i thought the 4420 was gonna murder the s4 pro, but it didnt.

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