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Teen finds Apple iPhone 5 under the tree, along with rules and conditions from his mom

0. phoneArena 31 Dec 2012, 13:07 posted on

Greg Hoffman was as excited as any 13 year old boy would be to find an Apple iPhone under the tree for Christmas, but the joy of the moment faded a bit when he discovered an 18 point set of rules and restrictions that he had to agree to before keeping the phone; the rules did not come from the carrier or from Apple, but came from Hoffman's mother...

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posted on 31 Dec 2012, 13:17 34

1. nwright94 (unregistered)


Smart parent. Any teenager (including myself) can/will be stupid with their phones and its good shes trying to prevent that. I will be the one to say this though: why does a 13 year old need a smartphone? Wouldn't a flip/keyboard phone be smarter for someone his age? Most 13 year olds I know are very irresponsible with their stuff.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 14:40 9

42. Syksyd (Posts: 55; Member since: 16 Apr 2010)


This parent is retarded...why give your son one of the hottest cell devices on the planet, and give him these stupid rules....this is a social media world and it is not gonna change any time, we live on our phones, thats what the world is now, tech rules,... i mean monitor what he does, but those rules are ridiculous....let him enjoy the thing

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 17:59 10

81. wendygarett (unregistered)


Maybe his mom is afraid her son brainwashed...

every parents want their children has a bright future, not lining up at the Apple store three tim

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 23:12

114. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)


I thought Talking strangers was irresponsible
what do you have to say 4 ur selves, PARENTS!!!!!????

posted on 01 Jan 2013, 09:27

124. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 2992; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


If talking to strangers is irresponsible, then social gatherings are meaningless. Not all strangers are negative and not all of them are positive. Some will become your good friend, some will become your best!
I will never advise anyone against talking to strangers...but what one needs to be is be-careful.
And these rules are quite good i would say, Greg's got a good mother.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 19:27 2

87. zazori08 (Posts: 113; Member since: 21 Dec 2011)


well she's just concerned about her sons well-being. maybe your mother is not like that.

posted on 01 Jan 2013, 00:05 4

116. bayusuputra (Posts: 941; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)


these are not stupid rules, she's trying not to make him like most teenagers who are glued to their phones.. yes, it is a social media world now, but does that mean that you should text or "wall"ed someone instead of telling it in person? And at least points 6-12 teaching that kid to be a responsible person. it is one of the hottest devices on the planet, but does that mean that the parents should just let the kid do whatever the kid wants to? That's called irresponsible parents. I think they are wonderful parents, i would do this to my kids one day.

And what a sad life you are in, to be living in your phone. I'm still living on planet earth, outside my phone, it's beautiful, try to get out of your phone one day, it'll be worth it.

posted on 01 Jan 2013, 10:14

126. garz_pa (Posts: 153; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


I wouldn't call the parent retarded. Only you rich people has access to this modern lifestyle. You lose all your money, you'll see how much life got taken away from you. Twitter, Facebook, 4saquare, and many others aren't one of them.

posted on 01 Jan 2013, 23:29

134. bluescreen (Posts: 154; Member since: 22 Nov 2012)


with all the rules and guidelines she laid out for using this phone she has effectively turned this phone into a really expensive paperweight.....not that i would choose an iphone in the 1st place but there were alot of other cheaper internet capable phones she could have chosen....i see the kid powering the phone on then right when the screen loads mom says its time to give me ur phone!

posted on 01 Jan 2013, 14:33

128. user312 (Posts: 68; Member since: 21 Aug 2012)


The best part is when somebody decides to try and steal it like what happens countless times in the world today

posted on 01 Jan 2013, 20:33

132. whysoserious (Posts: 316; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


The likes of you are the reason why this current generation is full of young retards. Would you mind helping me give myself a triple facepalm? I only have two hands...

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 14:42 2

43. downphoenix (Posts: 2266; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


I agree. Other than the whole getting him an iphone at the age of 13, I agree they are good parents. I guess he really wanted the iphone specifically though, parents sometimes have a hard time resisting their kids demands, but at least it seems they are making their own demands in return so that's good.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 17:05 14

75. sarb009 (Posts: 283; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


& Rule no.19- Don't use your iPhone to post stupid comments on phonearena as many teens are doing here in this article.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 18:00

82. wendygarett (unregistered)


You mean me? Lol :)

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 19:48 3

93. nwright94 (unregistered)


Any phone can be used for stupid comments lol

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 18:29 3

84. Tsoliades (Posts: 206; Member since: 22 Dec 2012)


I happen to be thirteen years old. I'm very responsible with my possessions. My Galaxy S2 barely even has a scratch on it and I have never had a case. This shows that if your child is responsible enough, they would be a perfect smartphone candidate.

Even so, the majority of these rules are ridiculous. If I was a parent, I wouldn't water down the experience of a phone for him or her by doing this. Honestly, if this were me, it would completely ruin it for me. It's embarassing! What else can I say?

An overprotective, crazy suburban mother is the bane of every child's existence. There are some things that I got into using the internet that I somewhat wish I hadn't, but the social experience and general life experience is great. If I didn't have a full, uncensored technology experience, my life would be drastically different right now for the worse.

One more thing. I like what Zero0 said. I totally agree with everything said, but one thing stands out- "A smartphone IS smart. We can use them to improve everyday life. Why limit that power to just adults because some kids would misuse it?"

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 21:01 3

106. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 276; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)


A phone not having a scratch or dent is by no means evidence that someone is or isn't a perfect smartphone candidate. Being a perfect smartphone candidate has more to do with what you do with your phone, not how well you take care of it. And that's the point of the majority of the points listed above, wouldn't you say?

While one of the rules seems to me a bit goofy and about four of the others a little overboard, the rest are hardly ridiculous. And I'm sure they're not set in stone either, both parent and teen will adapt over time. She just doesn't want her some to become someone who comes to believe that an uncensored technology experience is key to a better life.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 20:11

96. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


well, if bill gates' parents are like you, billions of people won't be using their desktops with windows inside of them. Bill Gates used all the computer period for a whole year in several weeks when he was in middle and high school, that's irresponsible, he dropped out from harvard to concentrate on building microsoft, that's irresponsible and his parents were really shocked.

now look where do they bring us and him to ? he is one of the richest people in the world and we use microsoft's products everyday.

people should be able to have their freedom and try to do things on their own. if people don't try to do what people think crazy and irresponsible, the world wouldn't become like today.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 20:42 1

102. downphoenix (Posts: 2266; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


well for every bill gates there's a 1000 wasted geniuses out there leaching off welfare or working a crappy job.

posted on 01 Jan 2013, 05:03 2

119. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2927; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


Buying a child a smartphone and having such strict rules is like buying the kid a xbox 360 or ps3 and telling them they can only play e rated games. If you're going to be that strict buy them a flip phone until hes old enough to buy his own damn iphone on his own plan.

posted on 01 Jan 2013, 08:30 1

122. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


In my country a seven years old child has a bold 9900, how's that?

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 13:19 17

2. 1ceTr0n (Posts: 501; Member since: 20 May 2012)


When I was 13, *1992* pagers were just starting to reach the general public and needless to say, my parents felt I didn't need one and thus, I was forced to actually have a face to face *social* life

posted on 05 Jan 2013, 10:16

141. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


I was thirteen a short six years ago (this Friday) and have been toting a smartphone for about 3 years (had a phone for 8). My parents had similar rules from the start. Rules # 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 10, 12, 18 were explicitly stated or were obviously expected. My first phones were the cheapest phones possible and the plans were limited (reasonably...ex. If I needed more text messages, I got them, but if it ever was a problem, my parents would have stopped me). My parents almost never took my phone because the purpose was to give me a means of communication because i went to schools in bad neighborhoods (in my city, all schools are in unsafe places). When it was time to upgrade, starting at around 15, I got whatever phone I wanted. It was contingent on my good behavior and months of complements leading up to the upgrade availability dates. My parents also paid for any cases, screen protectors, or games also contingent on behavior or used as rewards until I could buy them myself myself. They instilled the knowledge that I only had this through their good graces. My parents guided me in proper usage...ex. "not at the table", "these kids don't realize that what they put on the internet will come back and haunt them", "that music sucks". They gently guided me in the right direction and I turned out fine.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 13:20 6

3. EspHack (Posts: 70; Member since: 04 Sep 2012)


and what he said? i would reject it to be honest

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 14:24 4

34. jacobspeeds (Posts: 33; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)


me too!! i hate it anyway! but wat lame rules!

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 14:52 16

46. BiN4RY (Posts: 80; Member since: 22 Jun 2012)


And you two are the epitome of spoiled brats of the modern day

posted on 01 Jan 2013, 00:40 1

117. jacobspeeds (Posts: 33; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)


yea right...as if you're not! i got my first phone when i was in 12th grade...so u can shut up! i bet ur a brat

posted on 01 Jan 2013, 15:03 2

129. BiN4RY (Posts: 80; Member since: 22 Jun 2012)


I doubt you're even in the 12th grade judging on the amount of maturity and senseless logic in your post.

posted on 02 Jan 2013, 20:38 1

139. dragonstkdgirl (Posts: 144; Member since: 07 Apr 2012)


Not to mention his complete lack of capitalization or proper grammar/spelling. Ugh that was painful to read.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 17:03 5

74. Ravail (Posts: 181; Member since: 14 Oct 2011)


Lol that would be a contract that I wouldn't sign.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 13:22 13

4. RiseAgainst94 (Posts: 271; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)


Poor parenting. Young middle school teenagers should not be given iPhones. I understand the security need for your child having a phone, but a simple flip phone will do just as well, with the capabilities that cell phones have today the mother is asking for her child to disobey her rules and get himself in trouble

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 14:05 9

24. metalpoet (unregistered)


if you are under 18 yrs old in america, what are you doing with any smartphone!?!?!?!?! no teenager should have that freedom, they should feel lucky that they have a cellphone to call and text their friends and family. And kids should earn those rights as well. A kid does not need to have the ability to go on the web, play angry birds, skype, look up porn, snapchat, and gps anything. a smartphone was originally made for those with busy hectic lives and needed organization, now snot nosed 10 yr old brats have iPhones, those are our future world leaders you nimrods! remove the smartphones from their spoiled hands and make them read, learn, and mature before they buy something for fun. i didnt NEED a smartphone until i was 22yrs old and I purchased one for myself and I use all of it tools everyday but before I was 22, all i needed to do was take pictures, text, and call.

Sorry for the rant guys but theirs too many spoiled idiot kids who will one day lead our world and that scares the f*** out of me!

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 14:22 6

32. Baseballer (Posts: 131; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


Shut up. Maybe we kids have actually earned it and/or we are smart enough and good enough to use it correctly. Just because some teens misuse it doesn't mean we all shouldn't have one. You guys are just pathetic trying to confine us and basically call is babies.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 16:25 5

62. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


I'm seeing a lot of "earned" in your posts. What exactly have you earned?
If you "earned" something from some stipulation your parents asked of you, then you've already done wrong.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 17:54 3

80. Zero0 (Posts: 570; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


iknowrite

No kid is going to do anything useful on a phone. Not like you can access educational resources on the web or get an e-reading app. Also, kids either should not have access to media such as music or games on the go unless they carry a separate device. Furthermore, there is no use in learning to tinker with computing devices that are becoming ever more prevalent in daily life.

Look, I'd be considered a kid. I have a smartphone. I appreciate it very much, and use it to do many of the above. What you're doing is stereotyping and assuming the worst about technology. A smartphone IS smart. We can use them to improve everyday life. Why limit that power to just adults because some kids would misuse it? Those under the age of 18 are perfectly capable of being productive, even if they aren't working full time.

I say, if the kid can use it right, let him use it. Why not equip our future world leaders with smartphones? At any point in time, they can access the news, or perhaps learn something new.*

* = In before "they won't remember it." I looked this up a few months back, and yes, people remember less because of computers. The good news: intellect doesn't begin and end at memory. People are getting better at critical thinking, and surely that's a quality you'd want in generations to come.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 21:21 1

110. NexusKoolaid (Posts: 276; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)


Speaking as a parent, I think you're missing the point. You say "if the kid can use it right, let him use it". Fine, but what IS the right way to use it? How do I know the kid knows how to use it? Just toss him the phone and tell him to figure it out? That's no answer. There needs to be a framework of understanding - a list of suggestions and guidelines. As life goes on, lessons are learned and mistakes are made, rules and expectations, written and unwritten, will evolve over time. But there needs to be a starting point - a stake in the ground, so to speak. I don't know that I'd go through the formality of putting it on paper, but I'd certainly discuss my expectations when my son gets a smartphone.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 23:42

115. Zero0 (Posts: 570; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


I think a set of rules is perfectly reasonable. Most of the rules in the original article are unarguably good rules. I think one or two are a touch excessive, but that's okay.

My comment was in response to a post that basically said that no kid should have a smartphone, under any circumstance. Smartphones aren't a necessity, and many children misuse them. But to say that no one under 18 should own a smartphone, that's unreasonable.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 19:33 3

89. nofrag (Posts: 3; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)


i completely disagree. im 16 and got my first smart phone at 14. these last 2 years with my phone made me look into the world of coding and made me choose what to major in. i already have a couple of colleges offering me scholarships. It is up to the kid to do either good or bad with his phone.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 20:04

95. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


good point dude, me too because i use gadgets all the time and i love them, i'm taking computer engineering for college.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 19:53 1

94. rickywinataa (Posts: 262; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


what the hell do you mean by spoiled idiot kids ? I'm 16 and i can tell you that my smartphone and tablet are as functional as my parents' .

i use gmaps to look for addresses, i use it for twitter and listen to music, scheduled my calendar and IMO teenagers are the people that can actually fully use the feature of smartphones. do you think every single adult that has an iPhone use all of it's feature ? no, many of the adults use only phone, message and email, if you give them feature phone, they probably even won't mind

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 21:41

112. XperiaPrince (Posts: 108; Member since: 25 Dec 2012)


i have a xperia sola and i am only 13 years old. ANDROID can give you much more freedom than iOS but if you just learn how to be responsible enough,you can control that FREEDOM that android gives.NOT all teenagers are SPOILED BRATS. MY parents gave me a smartphone because they think i am responsible.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 13:23 11

5. baldilocks (Posts: 494; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)


Sounds good to me. Kids take things for granted nowadays and need to learn values. If more parents were like this, the world wouldn't be such a messed up place.

posted on 01 Jan 2013, 10:11

125. quakan (Posts: 1139; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)


If everyone had parents like his I'm sure we would all be worse off.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 13:25 7

6. Chasers (Posts: 21; Member since: 27 Nov 2011)


I believe the point the parent is trying to make it to teach the kid that this is a device for learning and expanding your horizons. Not something to live your life by. You will use one your whole life why not start young. This allows the parent to teach the kid how to use it instead of what most parents do and just give them a new device or toy and just say here you go have fun until you break it. Teaching the kid responsibility is a good thing.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 13:27 3

7. PointMaza (Posts: 60; Member since: 14 Dec 2012)


i'm 13 having an smartphone one x :P

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 13:33 4

9. PointMaza (Posts: 60; Member since: 14 Dec 2012)


i love my parent because i don't have to follow any rules they trust on me and they know that i won't misuse my phone that's why they don't need to make any kind of f**kin rules

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 13:44 14

12. baldilocks (Posts: 494; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)


And I can tell by your attitude that you're going to be another one of that does nothing for society. You are an example of bad parenting at its finest.

posted on 02 Jan 2013, 20:43

140. dragonstkdgirl (Posts: 144; Member since: 07 Apr 2012)


*applause*

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 14:07 7

25. metalpoet (unregistered)


Your 13, naive, ignorant, and stupid! Learn that and put down the smartphone becuase its only making you come across as a retard thats too dependent on a phone to do everything for you. Good thing these phones cant cook hot pockets for us or else we would all be screwed!

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 14:24 1

35. Baseballer (Posts: 131; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


And you as an adult are ignorant for calling us names and being rude. You don't know us. Maybe we have actually earned the privilege and our parents actually trust us.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 15:00 3

48. LionStone (Posts: 444; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


Earned the privelege? How about when you can buy your own smartphone, pay for your own data plan and monthly bill? Do you? Until then, all you really need is a basic phone.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 15:37 1

55. TheInfamousCJ (Posts: 20; Member since: 24 Nov 2011)


you are foolish, you do not know the type of responsibility they have. When I was a teenager; I earned my gifts, my parents taught me their values and beliefs. They trusted that I was raised properly and I accepted their teachings. I woke up at 5:30 am to travel 90 minutes on public transport to the private high school I earned entrance into. I stayed out of trouble was a honor roll student, never drank or smoked so when my parents gave me something i was not attached to lengthy legal binding document. as always they trusted I would appropriately represent myself and our family.

For all you other adults who are being harsh and judgmental, was that how you were raised?

Maybe the child in the article have a penchant for straying off the path or maybe that's the way his parents are raising him but for all you other adults to say that this is shining example remember there are other successful ways to rear a child. Children earn trust and maintain that trust through their actions; most of them don't need contracts.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 15:40 1

56. billybuttpounder (banned) (Posts: 105; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)


Or maybe, like most parents these days, it's just easier to buy your love and give you whatever you want instead of being an actual parent?

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 16:12 2

60. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)


How do we know you're ignorant? Because you believe you earn materialistic things with trust and that your parents are obliged to get you what you want just because they think you're responsible enough.
You seriously think a smart phone at the age of 13 is because of earned trust and privilege?
You didn't earn sh*t if you think you're suppose to get a cellphone.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 14:24 4

33. billybuttpounder (banned) (Posts: 105; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)


I look forward to helping pay your room and board at the local jail where you will surely end up. Your parents suck. Children need rules and discipline.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 15:25 1

52. darkkjedii (Posts: 10087; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


No u don't you're just hating on the kid. Leave him alone bully.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 15:41 1

57. billybuttpounder (banned) (Posts: 105; Member since: 28 Dec 2012)


You got me there. It's called 'sarcasm', look it up.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 20:58

104. linneti15 (Posts: 49; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


While I don't think many 13 yr old's should have a smartphone (i think 15yrs< would be fine and i myself am 16.5 years old), I think it should definitely be considered. The technology industry is growing vastly and the hands-on work is declining, I child that knows how technology works on computer's and smartphones and a child that knows how to retrieve information effectively using such tools, is better off. I think some of you especially, "metalpoet", are very arrogant and ignorant to what a child deserves or should have access too. Calling a 13 year old a "retard" makes you look very stupid and must been you haven't got a very happy life if you are taking out your stress onto 13 year olds and as such I don't think people should take advice from you on what would ultimately make us or our child a better or happier person. :)

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 21:04

107. linneti15 (Posts: 49; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


And what makes adults that much more deserving of such tools?? Okay you have a full time job and have the money to buy it, but some people work harder and earn less money and cannot afford one?? It is the unfortunate truth of the world I am afraid that some people are better off than others and have access to a better life. You are one of those people, so are the 13 year old's with smartphones and so am I.

posted on 31 Dec 2012, 21:49

113. XperiaPrince (Posts: 108; Member since: 25 Dec 2012)


i have a xperia sola and i am only 13 years old. ANDROID can give you much more freedom than iOS but if you just learn how to be responsible enough,you can control that FREEDOM that android gives.NOT all teenagers are SPOILED BRATS. MY parents gave me a smartphone because they think i am responsible.

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