Tango isn't out yet, but Windows Phone already getting calls of fragmentation
1. RandomlyPsychotic (Posts: 36; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)
until windows phone becomes popular, i don't see any heat building up....yet.
20. snowgator (Posts: 3545; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Not sure about the posting, but LOVE the screen name!!!
2. PhansMuneeb (Posts: 371; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)
Once Windows phone Apollo is out, then it will be WP days.
Tango is just to lower specs and prices of smartphones.
3. iDroidx650 (Posts: 75; Member since: 26 May 2010)
don't all Windows phone devices have at least 512mb RAM. Microsoft has specific tech specs required to develop windows phone. If they keep it up, then I don't see fragmentation a problem.
6. crankyd00d (Posts: 191; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
That's precisely it, RAM, I believe Tango will only require 256MB of RAM
15. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
tango is meant for ultra low end smartphones for emerging countries like india and africa. there is a huge market waiting for penetration now that symbian is on the way out. We wont see too many of these phones in america, so its nothing to worry about.
IM STILL WAITING ON THAT IOS FRAGMENTATION ARTICLE, PA. Especially now since WP7 has been brought into it!
17. snowgator (Posts: 3545; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Amen, remixfa. And thanks for the well written post.
23. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2696; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I was really considering calling out iOS on its own fragmentation, but I was having trouble finding apps that don't work across devices. I mean, even Infinity Blade 2 works on iPhone 3Gs and up. If the basis for fragmentation is multiple OS versions co-existing, then there's no platform around that isn't fragmented. If it's a matter of running the same apps, the only difference from iPhone 3Gs up is Siri, which theoretically does have a hardware basis for exclusivity (although I'm not 100% sold on that.)
25. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
there are some apps that dont work on the 3g/3gs
5. REYNER (Posts: 187; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
i dont see any fragmentation with that i think windows simply giving their high-end devices a sense of edge and benefits compare to their lower ranged phones. what i think would happen is that, windows will be having 2 different class 1 (tango) is for the lower range devices that would enjoy the affordability of the phone without losing a quality os while the 2nd one will be the high-end that will enjoy the luxury of premium treatment
9. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
i hope u r right… i severely hope microsoft does not allow fragmentation to android level… because although fragmentation has no immediate effects, it means slow updates and less support in the long run… and i like my wp7 updates fast
11. REYNER (Posts: 187; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
so do i., i like windows too.. but i think it will be better for us consumer to buy high end devices of wp for it has more edge than tango i know windows will not let that happen. esp. that now they witness how hard it is for the consumers of android to update.. i just hope things will be ok in wp 8 hopefully wp will merge the idea of ios to be unified with a bit of openness like android like file transfer thru bluetooth micro sd and etc. :)
16. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
iOS has as big/bigger fragmentation issue than android. you think everyone knows to update their apps and OS without android's auto-update features? lol.
24. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
are u kidding me… u think fragmentation is not knowing how to press the app store and then update all… fragmentation is what creates laggy updates for android while ios owners get it the day it comes out… fragmentation also gives more diversity… its not exactly better either way, just 2 ways of doing it… but personally i hope wp7 maintains non-fragmentation so that it is clearly differential from android…
ios is fragmented in the fact that there are multiple oses… but tht is not how fragmentation should be used… it should be used to describe how multiple oses are not on the same update line and support line, as they are on wp7 and ios, but not android
7. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Sounds like the days of Windows 95 and Windows NT workstation of long ago. H/W that didn't have the memory required for NT might run on Win-95. Only problem was that the response time for the Win-95 S/W on a H/W-challenged PC was next to forever. But the PC was Win-95 certified.... (Rolleyes)
8. Glim12808 (Posts: 394; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
The topic of Tango will probably be touched by Microsoft at MWC, which is in about 2 weeks time. So at the moment, this is just baseless rumor. But in case that happens with Tango, there will be Mango/Apollo and Tango.
I'm new in the WP7 platform but have no problem with the concurrent existense of Mango/Apollo and Tango. I started in Android with 2.1 eclair and when 2.2 came out, I skipped it and continued using my 2.1 without any problem. I only upgraded my Android when 2.3 gingerbread came out. As I said I have no problem with 2 WP7 OS's. But at this point, fragmentation in wp7 is just baseless rumor.
10. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
Not a microsoft fan here, but I don't think fragmentation will be that big problem for WP. Yes, Windows Phone will have fragmentation, but not like Android. Most windows phone have strict hardware requirement set by Microsoft. Same for Tango.
13. Vrils (Posts: 38; Member since: 17 Sep 2011)
you are missing an important detail: only people from rich countries can access the Microsoft Windows Marketplace and they are noy buying Tango phones cause the`re filthy rich :P
So those people from poor countries who will buy Tango phones are not allowed into Windows Marketplace anyway so even if all the apps would be working for their phone they can`t buy them
14. Commentator (Posts: 3642; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
That's the most over-simplified approach to global economics I've ever seen.
18. snowgator (Posts: 3545; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Yeah, how DARE Microsoft make an affordable, smooth running OS just for those on a tight budget. What an obvious smack in the face of the under privileged.
In case you missed the sarcasm, I am kinda missing your point Vrils. I am excitedly waiting for you to expound on your post.
19. snowgator (Posts: 3545; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
I often feel that Phone Arena can be anti-Microsoft. Not so much anti-Windows Phones, just anti-Microsoft. You can really feel it in the liscencing deals write ups they have, and in a lot of the WP reviews they have. Just little remarks here and there. But this is a level headed, fair write up which takes a look at what Microsoft is attempting to do with Tango (mostly for Nokia, who wants these developing markets desperately.) in the grand scheme of tech.
Fragmentation is simply the inability of providing support for one version of your software as you upgrade to another. Tango will be supported. It will be upgraded. It is simply designed for a cheaper, lower end hardware design. As long as Microsoft is honest about it's capabilities to those it markets it to, no way this is a bad thing.
21. meetmadzky (Posts: 12; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
Apple itself has also its own "fragmentation." The bad thing is that the term they tried to popularized is also applicable to them. You can't install high-end games with the low-specs (old version) iPhones. The term was meant solely to bad market other OSes but never really sensible. As long as innovation and the fast-developing technology never stop, this "fragmentation" can never also be stop because it's always part of the track. It has never been out of the constant change and progress of the techworld.
22. haikallp (Posts: 177; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
i think, instead of creating a lower base requirements for phones, MS should release a higer minumum requirement for the Tango update. Because by end of this year, current windows phone devices will be mid rang phones, and the 'Tango' phones will be the high end phones. Releasing a new lower-speced chasis isnt the best idea.
26. Owoteva (Posts: 9; Member since: 09 Jan 2012)
I think you're missing the point of the Tango. Lower spec means cheaper phones which is more appealing to developing countries
27. keithrandy (Posts: 21; Member since: 05 Feb 2010)
(To the writer) Fragmentation is real. Don't try to down play it you Android user!!!1
28. ibap (Posts: 752; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)
A company I used to work for, when PCs first became commonplace, had this bizarre policy where they thought they were going to have all the PCs across the company be "the same". This would only have been possible if they'd bought the lot of them (thousands) and parked them in a warehouse somewhere until they were all deployed. You can guess what happened to THAT notion.