Take a peek inside Motorola's Moto X US assembly facility
0. phoneArena 11 Sep 2013, 05:11 posted on
You might be thinking that in comparison with the initial hype surrounding the Moto X, the reality paints quite a different picture – it feels like the buzz around Motorola's return into the smartphone market has largely flat-lined...
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1. Timmehor (Posts: 599; Member since: 09 Mar 2013)
Least it is in America. Giving people jobs, especially in this economic situation.
4. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Apple can do that, but then Apple products price will SIGNIFICANTLY increase.
6. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Motorola also increased price, but had compensated that increase by putting yesterday's hardware into Moto X. After that just masked it with a smart marketing which promoted that since now less performance is magically better than more performance and stamped old SoC with fancy X8 name to attract average users eye.
7. troutsy (Posts: 287; Member since: 17 Feb 2012)
Someone finally caught on to what Apple has been doing for years?
8. tedkord (Posts: 5901; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
It's not an old SOC. It uses an old concept of Co processors, which other than the GPU had been abandoned because the CPU in desktops are so powerful now. But in mobile, with limited battery, it makes more sense.
9. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
X8 is nothing more or less just a Snapdragon S4 Pro (MSM8960DT) with a minimal upgrade and fancy X8 name on it.
10. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
"less performance"? Show me a review, a benchmark, anything that suggests the performance of the Moto X is less than state of the art.
You're still clinging to the "more cores = better performance" line. If you want to talk screen size or resolution, that's one thing, but the X8 is nothing more or less than what the phone needs.
11. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"Show me a review, a benchmark, anything that suggests the performance of the Moto X is less than state of the art."
I don't know what you mean by saying "less than state of the art", but here is benchmarks:
And as you can see in these benchmarks X8 in most cases lose to Snapdragon 600 or sometimes even to Snapdragon S4 Pro which actually should be on par with X8. And I'm even not compare it to the Snapdragon 800.
"You're still clinging to the "more cores = better performance" line."
Please keep it to your self because it is just your interpretation since I never have said that!
"If you want to talk screen size or resolution, that's one thing..."
Resolution is also mid-range same as X8 SoC.
"...but the X8 is nothing more or less than what the phone needs."
I didn't said that X8 for Moto X is not enough, my point was that Moto X has yesterday's mid-range hardware and it is fact.
12. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I'm talking about performance benchmarks - Egypt 3D onscreen, that sort of thing. I don't pay much heed to the usual suspects such as AnTuTu, which is not a real-world benchmark in my experience.
If you're not talking about octo vs. quad vs. dual core, what is your criterion for "yesterday's hardware"? The only things "last year" about the Moto X are the dual-core CPU and 720p resolution. The GPU is identical to the S600 and it can outperform the One and S4 in some benchmarks. Even the screen is new; last year there was no 4.7" RGB AMOLED.
I doubt I'll convince you though - you're stuck on specs, specs, specs. I'm trying to argue that the Moto X is state of the art, not top of the top of the line (that would be the G2).
14. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
Speed testing of the Moto X vs the S4 and the HTC One says it all about how out of date the X8 processor is.
The X8 combines 4 processors not just the dual core processor you are harping on. 1 dual core,(general phone use etc) 1 quad core,(graphics and gaming) and 2 single core processors(always listening; active notifications)It's not a recycled technology from "last year" it's a totally new one. I don't understand how you can't figure that out. Speed tests alone should show you the performance of what the machine is capable of. Read and understand things before you decide to just bang on it...
17. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Really what a theory you have... V8 vs V12 Intel i5 vs i7
Having 4 CPU pushing the system and app then having 2 is less strain, even 6,8 cores would be even better. CPU would idle at 20+% than 50+% ....
So you prefer smooth operation than fast zippy actions, how funny. Ile take power over smoothie useless things.
Every human wants power not average joes.
21. papss (unregistered)
But it's priced the same as the g2 man.. That's where I have issues is in the retail price.
16. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
Only because they choose to sell them for more. You can't hate on a business for trying to turn a profit, but it doesn't mean I have to be blind to the fact that Apple overcharges for what their machines pack under the hood, and that there are MANY products that are cheaper that perform just as good if not way better.
13. zekes (Posts: 217; Member since: 14 Aug 2012)
your stupid beyond control Apple has a lot of jobs in the US and they make their Mac Pro Line in the US
15. Ninetysix (Posts: 1771; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
Apple did burn down his entire village. Can't hate on the fandroid for spewing a lot of hate towards Apple.
20. Timmehor (Posts: 599; Member since: 09 Mar 2013)
I think the quality of the handset would be equal to the quality in China/Foxconn.
2. tedkord (Posts: 5901; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Wife is talking about wanting a new phone. I might try to steer her to the X to reward Motorola for building it here. Hope this leads to more tech manufacturing in this country.
18. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
It's assembling, not building.
The parts are made elsewhere and then shipped to the US to be assembled. That is to say the US content of the entire building process might be 1% to 3%.
It would be better if Moto discloses the US content of the entire device as opposed to assembled.
22. Jimstar (Posts: 259; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
You say that like the foundry that builds the chip si somehow more responsible for building the phone than the factory in texas...
I think we need to define the terms for you..
This is from a quick Google search:
"construct (something, typically something large) by putting parts or material together over a period of time."
And for assemble "to fit together the separate component parts of (a machine or other object)."
The two words mean exactly the same thing in this context. So yeah it's assembled/built in Texas. I hope you're not one of those people who continually screams out for progress, only to ignore the progress unfolding in front of you just so you can keep screaming...
You want all the parts of the phone assembled in the US? Find facilities and the materials for them to do it. It would be super hypocritical of you to champion a display assembled in the US from foreign minerals, while you're giving Motorola crap for assembling the phone here but not the individual parts by the way.
23. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Look at a new car -- the parts are made around the world, but ends up being assembled in the US. So, yes it's made in the USA, but what the consumer wants to know is the percentage of US content. Take the Toyota Camry assembled in the US -- it's domestic content is greater than 75% (source:http://www.cars.com/go/advice/
All I am saying is that the Moto X is being made aka assembled in the US, but it made have very little US domestic content.
I buy an American car to support American jobs and domestic content is big on my list. 75% domestic content is acceptable given today's global car company. I am not being hypocritical -- just pointing basic facts to the uninformed.
The Moto X promoting made in the USA is a sham compared to those products made in the USA with at least 75% domestic content.
24. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
Btw, the link was working earlier -- if not, google the term "The 2013 American-Made Index" and you should see the list of cars and trucks with the highest US domestic content.
Again, made in America or in the USA means nothing without knowing the domestic content. I believe 75% is a good threshold to use.
26. Jimstar (Posts: 259; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
"What the consumer wants to know"
Let me stop you right there. That's what YOU want to know, that's what YOU are harping on. It kinda holds water when talking about cars or things typically made in the USA, but not phones for obvious reasons.
And all I was saying is that assembling and building are the same thing, but now you've shifted the issue. For future reference, avoid saying "all I'm saying is..." if you're now making a point you weren't making before, I'm not english major, but I'm pretty sure that isn't how that phrase is supposed to be used...
Promoting the fact the MotoX is made in the USA isn't a sham...it IS made in the USA by definition of the word made. Parts content is another issue, and again show me where the factory in the USA exists that's making those parts that the MotoX could've used. If there's no US factory making most of those parts, and therefore no parts to be used, how can you talk crap about them not using those parts? Do you not see the problem there?
Maybe you're just cynical, but the way I see it there's a factory in the US employing people to make smartphones for the first time in...ever. That's a big deal to me, and there's no sham to be seen in promoting that when we're talking about a cell phone...
19. MorePhonesThanNeeded (Posts: 645; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Lots of complainers and haters and processor counting drones than necessary. All those processors on all the new fangled phones and how many apps take advantage of quad core processors? We have Samsung showing 8 cores being utilized but honestly how many apps even use more that 2 cores? Just having core count for the sake of having it is like having a Gumpert Apollo and nothing but bumpy pot hole ridden roads to drive on. More or less useless, but nerd will throw benchmarks all in your face and yet every one of those phones still all perform identical when using Android OS, so which 8 core phone is the best at doing all the tasks?
Uninformed and uninitiated talk nonsense all day long in these forums, bigger and faster processor and at the end of it all, they all run Android pretty much the same...so where are these big gains and massive leaps of tech getting you? No where, since you're just getting the newest device to be tossed away once you find your next piece of eye humping tech.
Nothing say insanity other than people always harping on the same thing the same way and expecting something different to come out of it.
I hope Motorola keeps doing things like this will multi core processors, designated tasks that reduce power consumption and actually make your phone act like a SMART PHONE. Let the pointless hating continue, since most people have nothing better than saying my phone has more cores than yours but actually does not perform any better in real world use. How about we see someone building apps that take advantage of 4 cores, until then Quad core phones are shallow as the people that flaunt them as a status symbol.
Moto X is built in the US, the parts are sourced from Japan and China and possibly Taiwan, how many fabricating plants for chips do you see in the US? Don't ask dumb questions.
25. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)
"how many fabricating plants for chips do you see in the US? Don't ask dumb questions."
There's actually A LOT of fab plants in the US. I am sorry you are uninformed and uneducated, but you can change that with the following website:
Intel, TI, Samsung EACH has Fab plant(s) in the US. Yes, even Samsung has a Fab plant in Texas.