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T-Mobile's HSPA+ 42Mbps network faster than Verizon's 4G LTE in 11 cities

0. phoneArena 18 Jun 2012, 22:46 posted on

While PC Magazine;s speed test showed that T-Mobile's HSPA 42Mbps network bested Verizon's 4G LTE service in 11 cities, overall Big Red's pielines had the faster speeds when including both download and upload speeds...

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posted on 19 Jun 2012, 23:48

55. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


well you know what i mean. xD

yeah, that's why Verizon is in such a hurry to roll out LTE, so that drop will become a non-issue.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 19:15

42. lsutigers (Posts: 820; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)


King, just to clear some things up, Sprint's 3G network is currently running slow in some markets and others are running very fast, they are working on that and they should have one of the fastest 3G and 4G networks in the coming months and finish this time next year when their nationwide Network Vision project is complete and all of their networks are upgraded and consolidated. As far as their signal not being good indoors, although they currently use the higher 1900mhz frequency, their signal carries just fine, I haven't had any issues with Sprint compared to my Verizon phone and as part of NV they will be adding 3G and LTE on the refarmed 800mhz Nextel spectrum. I do agree that Clearwire's 4G WiMAX does have trouble indoors but their new deployment of TD-LTE is expected to correct this issue as it is much better at signal propagation.

As far as their customer service, they are #1 or 2 or JD Power and ASCI, much improved from the Sprint of the past so that's also not accurate.

Sprint really needs to pull this Network Vision upgrade off as quickly as possible.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 21:55

47. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


that's funny because i never see instances of Sprint being fast anywhere it's tested. their 3G is still CDMA based, it doesn't have a chance in hell at being the fastest 3G and the same goes for Verizon but Verizon realizes this hence the aggressive LTE roll-out. oh well i hear stories all the time about how Sprint devices are bad indoors but now i guess i've heard one to the contrary.

that's just this year and that's because everybody else has been making moves that people don't want them to make. as far as being consistently satisfied it's always either Verizon or T-Mobile that takes the JD Power & Associate recognition .

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 18:35 1

62. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3109; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)


My co-worker just got the Epic Touch last week and was going on about how amazingly fast and smooth it was. The processor that is, not the service. He complained constantly about Sprint's slow network. He said to me "I can't wait until I can turn this 4G baby on and bam it's fast!" I laughed and told him not to hold his breath. I explained to him that it is a WIMAX only device that Sprint gave up on forever ago and there will be no chance of it ever expanding and it will actually be shut down. I feel bad for people who believed in Wimax and are stuck with wimax only phones.

Verizon, T-Mobile, and AT&T all have their 3G/4G to fall back on and Sprint is just selling LTE phones without an LTE network. Get on it Sprint or you will go down with Wimax.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 20:22

43. items17070 (Posts: 70; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)


BULL BULL BULL!! (at least for verizon) I was using verizon LTE back in march 2011 and my DL was averaging about 28 to 36mbps, and now almost a year and ahalf it STILL the same speeds! and I am in balitmore!

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 21:56

48. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


LTE Adoption probably hasn't picked up in your area. enjoy that while you can.

posted on 18 Jun 2012, 23:24 4

7. DigitalBath (Posts: 8; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


That's what happens when 1 person is on HSPA+.

posted on 18 Jun 2012, 23:38 2

8. Markizzle21 (Posts: 30; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)


Another thing is look at how many devices can run on hspa 42. Than compare that to how many Verizon Lte devices there are. That also ties into how many people have it. Hspa 42 caps at that 42mbps. Lte I've seen 56 mbps when it first came out so dumb test here

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 16:46

41. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


HSPA+ does not cap put at 42....

posted on 18 Jun 2012, 23:41

9. vzw fanman (Posts: 1976; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


i trust rootmetrics' reports more. i use their speed test app and i love it.http://rootmetrics.com/compare-carriers/new-york-city/new-york-city-may-2012/

posted on 18 Jun 2012, 23:47

11. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


lol damn! is this an annual report they're making? xD

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 00:56 2

12. ph00ny (Posts: 1263; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Um. Where is the latency figures? That's the big benefit of using LTE over HSPA.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 01:52

13. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Looks like Verizon sucks
How can LTE be defeated by Hspa +

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 03:12

14. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


Then why the f**k is Tmo waisting money on LTE rather than investing in top of the line technological phones! That's what every customer been waiting for iPhone or Lumia 900, or titan, or one x!!!!

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 07:46 1

16. quesoesgrande (Posts: 217; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


No, they arent wasting money. Whether they spend money towards those phones that doesn't mean OEMs have to give it to them. Also, many believe the next iPhone will LTE. And I don't want any of the phones you stated . I want a galaxy note or galaxy s3 which is soon coming.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 13:03

26. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


Ok so if hspa from tmo beats verizon lte, then why spend all that money. Come on be serious. even the article says it's just for advertise sake. Therefore work on getting the tech goodies, I mean phones. IPhone already sold millions without lte.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 13:19

28. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


there's no long term potential, look up the technologies, think about the future of the companies and try again.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 16:41

36. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


there is still plenty of life left in hspa+. The hop to 84mb/s is an easy one... and really.. name me 1 use for all that speed. heck, name a use for the speeds we get now.

The problem is in advertising. Everything is going LTE and to avoid the confusion and loss of sales from it, they have to go LTE.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 22:00

49. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


there SHOULD be no life for HSPA+ while there is LTE available. divulging into adding another category of HSPA+ only takes more time and resources from diving into the better, more expandable LTE technologies.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 07:28

15. snowgator (Posts: 3600; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


T-Mo is working on a LTE network as well. Makes this pretty much a non-issue. Their current set-up is fine for what they offer, which is a good set of less expensive devices on a respectable network for an extremely fair price. Their biggest disadvantage is coverage out of their areas, which is not as important for them. If you are on T-Mo, you probably do not travel much for business or such.

Actually, I think T-Mo has a great position as the #4 network to upgrade and expand at a pace they can afford and having a good enough network to keep their core customers as they do it. Sprint is upside down in red ink, and has had several LTE plans even as they try to tread water with shutting down two other networks (WiMAXX and IDEN) and they suffer from the worse 3G network speeds. Whose to say in a couple of years from now T-Mo hasn't become #3?

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 08:48

21. disneydad (Posts: 114; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)


Unfortunately I do not see the carrier positions changing unless something incredibly earth shattering happens in the mobile carrier world. All of the carrier's brands are currently set in the public's mind. VZ is considered the largest and greatest, ATT has their strong 'if it's not broke don't fix it' core, Sprint will always using gimmicks to keep their customer base, and T-Mobile is the carrier people love to hate/overlook.
Studies have been shown that their is no real growth in the industry except people switching to smart phones and that they only stay with their carrier for about 28 months before switching. It's just trading customers back and forth.
If carriers could truly wean people off of the 'I'm entitled to a free phone' mantra we could see real competition between carriers.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 16:46

40. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


so true on the 'free phone' mantra thing...lol

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 08:00 1

20. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Tmobile.

Already one of the fastest. And very soon it will be LTE-10 + a 42mb/s HSPA+ backhaul. And its still half the price of ATT/VZW. Again, if you live in any kind of metro area that has HSPA+ available (which is pretty much ALL metro areas), you owe it to your self and wallet to give em a try.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 16:15 1

30. facts&truth (Posts: 42; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)


Good God. I wish some of you people would learn some since. Stop saying that hspa+ won't work long term. It has way more potential that what you will ever know. The deal is that Lte handles spectrum 38% more efficiently.Its like a 6 lane vs a 4 lane highway. HSPA+ is very much the way of the future as well. Just ask Europe. Verizon had to go by way of Lte because they had to. You fail to realize Lte is a base gsm tech. Also what you don't know is T-Mobile has the latest hardware towers. When they roll out Lte, it will be a minor hardware upgrade and a primary software upgrade. Not to mention, T-Mobile is adding a new tech that that will cause deeper building penetration and spectrum won't matter as much. Not to mention, T-Mobile will have Advanced Lte as quiet as its kept.In the process T-Mobile may upgrade to HSPA+ 84 with multiflow .Also with the spectrum reframe, coverage will greatly improve. I can't tell to much, but T-Mobile will have the most advanced network out there and at a much lower cost. Side note. T-Mobile has the largest 4g footprint out there.They have way more people on there 4g network than anyone else including 14,21,and 42 chip phones. Why can I make these assessments, I work for Nokia S. And I build the tech and it is in progress. Take note, Verizon's Lte is not as reliable as there cdma. You'll see soon enough what's in store.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 16:38

33. dha_george (Posts: 54; Member since: 27 Jan 2010)


thats kinda been my understanding from talking to people that know about the back end fiber optics that each of the main carriers are using. Verizon is just putting the lte radios up but not doing anything to improve their back end fiber optics. While t-mobile and at&t have been building up their fiber optics(during their hspa+ build outs) to handle the faster data speeds. that is the main reason why at&t's lte network tends to beat out verizon's when it comes to speed. It's not the amount of users on the network lte is designed to handle that kind of traffice as longs as the back end fiber optics is in place to handle it.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 16:43

39. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


AT&Ts '4g' network really is better than VZW

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 16:43

38. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


great post!

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 22:10

50. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


i know very well what LTE is. people said the same thing about AT&T and now what? they're still way behind Verizon. oh is that why PCMag found that Verizon's LTE was a more reliable 4G network than anyone else's? xD

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 16:41

37. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)


See, the thing with Verizon is that say they have the biggest and best 4G LTE coverage - it is not even true as I was in Madera, CA and had 4G LTE lighted up on my phone - got about 3meg down and 1.5 up on speed test. I can already get that and more in that area with an HSPA+ AT&T phone.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 22:11

51. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


i think anybody will tell you that's not normal. xD

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