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T-Mobile's HSPA+ 42Mbps network faster than Verizon's 4G LTE in 11 cities

0. phoneArena 18 Jun 2012, 22:46 posted on

While PC Magazine;s speed test showed that T-Mobile's HSPA 42Mbps network bested Verizon's 4G LTE service in 11 cities, overall Big Red's pielines had the faster speeds when including both download and upload speeds...

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posted on 18 Jun 2012, 22:52 4

1. Cugino2007 (Posts: 8; Member since: 31 Mar 2012)

Were the tests done indoors or outdoors? With my experience, T-Mobile is plenty fast, as long as your outdoors. Indoors the signal is virtually nonexistent.

posted on 18 Jun 2012, 23:21 5

6. Galen20K (Posts: 545; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)

In 12 years with T-Mobile I've always had fantastic indoor signal strength. Obviously the very small area where you live/go does not represent the entire experience of the United States.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 07:53 3

17. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

I dont know what your talking about. I do clinicals in a very large hospital and have full 4g coverage the whole way through it. I have a friend with a VZ thunderbolt that only gets coverage on the outter edges. Its all about where you are. There is no such thing as a perfect carrier.. just perfect for your location.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 13:26

29. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

i think that's interference from Hospital Equipment, it's a tried theory, i've been in Hospitals recently with my Razr and i go from full LTE connectivity to nothing in the few minutes it takes me to get further into the Hospital. that doesn't happen anywhere else and i do grunt work in a factory sometimes which is in a thick, solid industrial building.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 16:27

31. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

LTE generally gets better building penetration than GSM so if its not interfering with mine, it shouldnt be interfering with yours. Then again, im up with the patients or down in surgery. oooh surgery is fuuuun. :)

I think its just a weak area for VZW. I tossed that at a VZW rep the other day that tried the old "you will keep losing signal on Tmo" line. He didnt have much of an answer. Sad part is that i know its a canned responce, since we all said that when we worked there.. lol.

Honest truth, one covers 96% of americans, the other covers like 98% of americans.. there isnt that big of a difference other than the boonies.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 21:16

44. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

oh i wasn't talking about the actual Hospital Building, i'm talking about the Equipment like CAT Scanners and whatnot.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 22:21

52. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


havent had an issue yet regardless of what I'm near. So, so far i've been very happily surprised with the service.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 09:56 1

58. ravx25 (Posts: 1; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)

It doesn't have to be a small area. I live in the middle of Dallas Forth Worth and Tmobile blows here. I work just north of DFW Airport and get little to no 4G coverage. Tmobile just blows in some places. Unfortunately for me, they suck in Dallas...one of the largest places in the Unites States.

posted on 01 Nov 2012, 18:07

65. abrahavt (Posts: 5; Member since: 10 Oct 2012)

I tried TMobile for a day before switching back to ATT. I could barely get one bar in my home and the constant search for a signal killed the battery in no time.

posted on 19 Jun 2013, 21:09

69. barterpc (Posts: 5; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)

KingKurogiii you shouldn't be dampened that much. LTE like CDMA signals re-route so theoretically if you have good coverage you should have it throughout. Actually I've gone in hospital basements with older CDMA 800 and had almost flawless coverage. It might also be in your hospital they specifically install cell-dampening. They do this alot now in places where the cell may interfere with normal operations of radiological equipment. They install UHF dampeners to guarantee it won't happen, as a precaution. But if you did it near Radiology, it's normally hospital policy to have you turn off your cell there anyway.

posted on 18 Jun 2012, 22:53 6

2. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)

Heh heh heh. I hope this silences all the ignorant folk who don't consider HSPA+ in the same speed tiers as LTE... Looking forward to LTE-Advanced and next-gen HSPA+ versions

Oh yeah, and sprint is still slowest, to no one's surprise. Hope for their sake they trade unlimited for speed and quality (especially structure penetration), otherwise they'll keep losing money and customers

posted on 18 Jun 2012, 23:11 4

4. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

there won't be next gen HSPA+, that's the whole point of it not being comparable to LTE even though the speeds are indeed pretty comparable.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 07:56 2

18. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

technically, HSPA+ is capable of 84mb/s and thats probably what he meant. Tmobile had plans to go 84 (and they still might, who knows), but they decided to concentrate on LTE revision 10 first.

Tmobile isnt the first with the tech, but when they build it, they build it pretty smartly. They werent first with 3g or 4g, and they blew past everyone, and they are not the first with LTE, but they are building it in a way to make super quick upgrades. Which means as a consumer your getting a lot more for your money.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 12:56

25. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

that's all well and good now but that strategy is merely a quick fix, T-Mobile can't afford to divulge into changing network technologies at the drop of a hat like the larger carriers can. it's much better to have one solid type of network than multiple types of networks that you need a bunch of different radios to even be able to take advantage of. it's like swimming, if you keep coming up for air every few seconds then you're not going to get anywhere.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 16:32

32. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

Tmobile isnt switching anything. They are reorganizing. No, Sprint tried that "well, we will just get a little of every technology and see what sticks" approach and they suck for it. iDen, cdma, wimax, lte.. whats next? lol.

Tmobile's approach has always been to wait and let the big guys pay the big bux for the equipment. Then when economies of scale kick in, they get the newer, upgraded version for cheaper.
They waited on 3g, and then ran circles around ATT/VZW speed with their quick upgrade to hsdpa, hspa+ 21, then hspa+ 42 ... and now they are set to do it again with LTE-10 set up in a way that leaves them open for a super quick upgrade for the future. They went from 2g to 4g with a wide roll out faster than either ATT or VZW could get from 3g to 4g. Now they are condensing the network a bit and moving their "4g hspa+ to 1900 as well so they can use 1700/2100 for LTE. A move that not only makes them international device compatible, but offers even better in building penetration with minimal extra cost.

Tmobile is very smart with how they implement the network. Where they suck at is consistency in plans and advertising.. which has cost them quite a bit.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 21:30

45. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

to the end user it really isn't that different from what Sprint used to do. you still have to buy specific devices to be able to use the different categories of HSPA+ and then the phones that are available now won't be compatible with LTE when they roll that out. that's when the network fragmentation becomes a problem. you say they'll have LTE-10 set up in a way that'll open them up for a super quick update but they're nowhere near as prepared as Verizon having nearly half of the nation covered in LTE TODAY. T-Mobile still needs time to roll out an LTE Network, that takes time no matter who you are. of course T-Mobile got onboard with 4G quicker, it's 3G upgrade tech, it's quick, easy and cheap to upgrade but investing into it whole heartily isn't the way to prepare for a future that meets an LTE standard.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 22:25

53. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

bah. were gonna just have to disagree.

its no different than VZW's CDMA phones being locked out of LTE, or any other company's GSM/LTE. So its really a moot point.

the big difference is, when your not on LTE, your on 42mb/s hspa+. When your on verizon and your not on LTE, your on 2mbs CDMA. Your over complicating a non issue for Tmobile.

Its a lot more important for VZW to speed LTE across their map than it is for Tmobile to hurry it up with LTE.

For them its more marketing at this point than an increase in service. Look at the scores.. they are identical. To the end user that doesnt really care.. whats the difference? There really is non on the short term, and they will be on LTE on a similar time table to Sprint, so its not like they will be "behind.
They will be among fastest 4g now, and right up there tomorrow.

posted on 20 Jun 2012, 02:00

56. Forsaken77 (Posts: 553; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)

Tmobile also uses AT&T's network alot. Tmo doesn't have great coverage. I guess they deploy a lot less towers in areas than the bigger carriers. So they "borrow" AT&T's network, which is probably the reason for the 1700 band. If I'm not mistaken, AT&T is using a 1700's band also.

posted on 18 Jun 2012, 23:08 4

3. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

it all comes down to the same thing, Verizon has more people using their LTE network than AT&T does with theirs and T-Mobile does with their 42mbps category HSPA+. they're all very capable networks. AT&T & Verizon use the same damn thing and HSPA+ 42mbps does compare quite nicely however it's long term potential is non-existent hence why T-Mobile is eventually going towards the goal of having an LTE network up and going so really i think the winner in terms of progress is Verizon being that they are much, much further along in rolling out their LTE network and that'll also make them even more ready for the upgrade to LTE-Adv in the near future, the network is just getting more adverse effects from having more LTE users to hog up the spectrum. once Verizon finishes maximizing network efficiency they'll have it down and if AT&T doesn't pick up the pace Sprint and T-Mobile may surpass them in the LTE race eventually. we'll just have to see about that.

posted on 18 Jun 2012, 23:15 6

5. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3114; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)

Finally someone with some sense speaks! King, that is what I'm talking about! Verizon has by far more people on their LTE network, thus slowing down the data network speeds. Remember how fast they reported it when it first came out on limited networks? Yep same thing can be said about AT&T as well, trust me once it reaches 100+ more cities and more and more people are using their LTE network, it will slow down as well.

Sprint's network is a joke because how much of an epic fail they had with their "4G" network. They flat out gave up on it and are in last in line once again. Why bother even have unlimited data when your network is slower than dial up?

At least Verizon has a large LTE network and a HUGE 3G network that covers so many people and can actually be used indoors too.

AT&T at least has a large HSPA+ network that by itself is very fast and so is T-Mobile's.

Sprint needs to rush their LTE network out now and quick.

posted on 18 Jun 2012, 23:43 1

10. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

yeah, Sprint is easily forgettable when discussing 4G networks and their term potential, they had such an Amazing device last year with the E4GT but Sprint's network totally killed it and then like you brought up there Sprint's signal frequencies make using Sprint indoors a real pain in the you know what and their customer support is the WORST but i digress, luckily Sprint could turn their luck around by following Verizon's example being the other side of the CDMA coin here in the US and do an aggressive roll-out of their LTE network and maybe catch AT&T off guard. the GSM carriers may be comfortable with HSPA+ now but they may find themselves too far behind in a future where LTE technology is having it's potential increase exponentially and HSPA+ is hitting a stand still.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 07:58 2

19. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

one thing you forgot is that Tmobile's HSPA network is in much higher use than either ATT or VZW's LTE. Since HSPA+ shares bandwith with the 3g phones, there is always a lot more use. And it still kicks butt.

Heres a big middle finger to all those morons that kept trying to say that Tmobile sucks. :)

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 08:58 1

22. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)

Hmm, is there more use on Tmobile's 3G / HSPA+ network than on VZW's 4G LTE network?? Honest question.

Good on Tmobile though. If only they had better coverage where I live...

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 10:40 1

23. N.Reynolds (Posts: 257; Member since: 15 Feb 2011)

Remix, I have respect for you after seeing all your posts over the past couple years and yes T-Mobile's HSPA+ is fast but I still say T-Mobile sucks.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 12:01 1

24. greathero1 (Posts: 568; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)

Well, I am a Tmo subscriber and their network is fast at times but it is very inconsistent. Too many times over you will have 5 bars and a big 4G label but horrible and slow service. They have been very subpar in my 3 year experience but I have stomached the service in order to have a cheaper bill.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 13:17

27. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5713; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

that's true but remember T-Mobile is the fourth largest carrier in the States, that brings to question how many T-Mobile users there are in a given area using bandwidth vs. the percentage of LTE users there are in those areas especially when we're talking about HSPA+ 42mbps because even though it is upgraded 3G doesn't mean that 3G devices cause as much signal degradation as LTE users do for each other. another thing you might want to remember is that handsets using T-Mobile's HSPA+ 42mbps technology probably haven't seen nearly as much adoption as LTE devices have on Verizon. most people on T-Mobile are there to save money and don't necessarily care about having the latest and greatest. the people that care enough about the latest and greatest to pay more for it are on Verizon. when i look at the classifieds section on forums or on sites like Swappa or Glyde Verizon listings always outnumber everybody else's listings.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 16:38

34. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

it doesnt matter if its HSPA+10, 14, 21, or 42.. its the same signal. the only difference between 21 and 42 is in the phone.. it uses a dual modem of sorts. HSPA+ is considered more bandwidth friendly up to 84, then LTE starts beating it at higher ranges.
Every 4g phone tmobile has runs the same HSPA+ signal, which is quite a bit. Almost every phone Tmobile has sold in the last 2+ years has been 4G, where on ATT and VZW, a large chunk of their sales is 3g iphones.

Last report had only like 2 or 3 million LTE devices running on VZW if i remember right (which even i thought seemed low) That is well below whats running on Tmobile. VZW may have more customers, but it has a much smaller percent of people on LTE since only specific devices can use it. On Tmobile, nearly every smartphone in the store uses HSPA+

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 16:39

35. remixfa (Posts: 14597; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

say what you want. I was just given the option to switch to other networks and I dont see a point. Why pay more for less if its working like a dream where I'm at.

Its all about where you are.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 19:15

42. lsutigers (Posts: 821; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)

King, just to clear some things up, Sprint's 3G network is currently running slow in some markets and others are running very fast, they are working on that and they should have one of the fastest 3G and 4G networks in the coming months and finish this time next year when their nationwide Network Vision project is complete and all of their networks are upgraded and consolidated. As far as their signal not being good indoors, although they currently use the higher 1900mhz frequency, their signal carries just fine, I haven't had any issues with Sprint compared to my Verizon phone and as part of NV they will be adding 3G and LTE on the refarmed 800mhz Nextel spectrum. I do agree that Clearwire's 4G WiMAX does have trouble indoors but their new deployment of TD-LTE is expected to correct this issue as it is much better at signal propagation.

As far as their customer service, they are #1 or 2 or JD Power and ASCI, much improved from the Sprint of the past so that's also not accurate.

Sprint really needs to pull this Network Vision upgrade off as quickly as possible.

posted on 19 Jun 2012, 20:22

43. items17070 (Posts: 70; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)

BULL BULL BULL!! (at least for verizon) I was using verizon LTE back in march 2011 and my DL was averaging about 28 to 36mbps, and now almost a year and ahalf it STILL the same speeds! and I am in balitmore!

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