T-Mobile USA gets slapped by Washington AG over deceptive “no-contract” ads
0. phoneArena 25 Apr 2013, 16:04 posted on
The “un-carrier” felt some heat from Washington State’s Attorney General Bob Ferguson as the state’s...
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1. techguy22 (Posts: 227; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
my HTC one will be no contract. i will pay 575 for it. and it will be unlocked and bloatware free.. i will not deal with any carrier. T-Mobile plans isnt "no contract". i agree with the article.
6. donfem (Posts: 591; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
Very ignorant statement. You will agree to anything. I guess you don't understand the technicality involved in the AG's argument.
17. techguy22 (Posts: 227; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
you dont get what i was trying to say. while everyone thinks Tmobile plan is awesome but its not. you are still gotta deal with the carrier. when you buy the "no contract" phone. not like when i get my HTC one from HTC site.
18. Gdrye (Posts: 110; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
even though i do work for a carrier, i wish companies would do more to sell right to the consumer, prices for plans will have no choice but to come down because there is a "choice" but with unified LTE chips and everyone going to Voip (VOLTE) this count be a future where we actually buy from the company that actually makes the phone, (look for carriers to start blocking universal LTE chipsets to keep their advantage, you heard it from me first)
2. bdavis022 (Posts: 6; Member since: 13 Mar 2013)
I think T-Mobile's plans are pretty self explanatory. Its still no contract, they don't make you sign anything. They advertised for a long time you could "bring your own device" and still not have to sign a contract but if you want a new phone, buy it full price or finance it. Its not rocket science. I think people only hear what they want to hear.
3. rallyguy (Posts: 620; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
I agree, there is no service contract. But it's obvious there is a phone contract, just like any loan you use to finance an item.
12. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
Yes but you can buy the phone full price/bring your own and be free of all contracts.
19. Gdrye (Posts: 110; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
umm. you can do that with basically any carrier. thats not a Tmobile thing
21. k1ng617 (Posts: 264; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
Yes, but if you bring a phone to Verizon you still pay the same monthly payment as if you got a subsidized phone for as long as the contract lasts. If you bring one to T-Mob it's $20 less a month.
15. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
Yes, there is a phone contract, however, you're not forced to get a phone contract when you sign up.
24. papss (unregistered)
I think it's pretty obvious that it was misleading otherwise they wouldn't have changed it and offered a refund.
4. alouden (Posts: 371; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
I am amazed at the inability of people to use common sense So were people thinking they could pay $99 for a phone and just walk away without paying the remaining $500? Does that even make sense? The terms of the plan were crystal clear from day one. Pay off the phone any way you see fit, and your monthly bill decreases. You leave the carrier and they ask for you to pay off the phone. How complicated is that? Anyone expecting NOT to pay for the rest of the phone if they cancelled service clearly is smoking something or is not very bright. Think about it: the carrier would be eating over $500 per person who decided to cancel right after starting service.
7. dok2005 (Posts: 55; Member since: 18 Apr 2012)
its more of if they leave early the amount owed can be more than the usual etf. which make more a service plan. lets say i get a phone from tmobile with there new un carry plans. i decide to leave a month later. now i owe them a whole bunch of money up front. instead of paying it every month. that make it no different from any service plan from another major carrier. honestly they make it sound hey walk away you want but you still owe us $20 a month for the phone but in reality its hey walk away but you owe us $500+.
in retrospec its just a slightly more expensive verison of how sprint does their etf. sprint says hey your etf goes down every month. tmobile says hey you got to pay for your eip to go down every month.
20. Gdrye (Posts: 110; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
if you think about it, lets say you pay $200 for an iphone with at&t, and you just walk out on it, but you pay the $325 cancellation fee, you basically got a $650 phone for cheaper than the full price of the "uncarrier" plan
29. donfem (Posts: 591; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
Also, you forgot to mention the data plan you are forced to take at the price the carrier sets. Add all together for the 2 year contract, and you get the full price of the device plus a lot more.
5. Avicktim (Posts: 22; Member since: 09 Apr 2013)
I already have the HTC One.. Come get it at TigerDirect for Att or Sprint!
8. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Despite my natural aversion to all things government, I agree with this move. T-Mobile's whole "you're not under a 2 year contract but you really kind of are" thing IS a two year contract, just packaged differently.
10. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
You can downthumb me all you want, T-Mobile fanboys. You all know it's f**king true.
13. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
Thats only if you buy one of their phones, to be honest it would be better to just charge full price for everyone but then you have people who have been tricked by subsidized phones believe phones cost $200 not $600.
30. donfem (Posts: 591; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
How true is it if at inception you know you can pay off the remaining price of the device and walk away without a penalty? Strange to make ignorant statements as "true"
27. 9thWonderful (Posts: 232; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
I made the exact statement in the first PA article talking about T-Mobile's "no contract" plans. It's a shuffle game.
9. Gtrav (Posts: 13; Member since: 31 Mar 2013)
Well it kinda is a contract because when I purchased my htc one I have 300 that i actually financed. I paid 279.99 plus tax; if i wanted to cancel tmo i would have to pay off the phone. Now i should be able to cancel tmo and just pay the financing company the $12.50 a month for 24 months
14. HDShatter (Posts: 1021; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
Just pay full price for the phone, I have never owned a single smartphone for more than a year so I just get full price.
31. donfem (Posts: 591; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
Another untruth bandied as "truth" . First, you ae not involved with any "finance" company. Just T-Mo. Second, if you want to get out, you can pay up the balance and walk. Three, there is nowhere on the paperwork which states that, "you cannot pay off at anytime you want" or "have to wait for the remainder of the intsallment to get out"
16. YaBoiDre10 (Posts: 84; Member since: 15 Nov 2012)
Those "payment plans" are just another way for carriers to covertly make more money off their customers. I know im going to flinch when I see Verizons payment plan.
22. scsa852k (Posts: 329; Member since: 16 Oct 2012)
Buying a phone of your choice unlocked and switching between carriers or MVNOs at your taste at low rate plan is the smartest way to go.
T-Mo lets you do that and buy a phone with a payment plan.
What's wrong with that?
Signing a 2-year pact with no unlimited data and having to pay ridiculous subsidized bill protect consumers? Total BS.
You get what you pay for and YOU! are responsible what you pay for.
Stop putting the blame on carriers or dealers.
23. cjjohnson86 (Posts: 29; Member since: 05 Jan 2012)
I don't get it....if they cancel the service they should be reliable for the phones they put the down payments on.Do people think they just don't need to pay for the phones? There keeping the phone. Seems legit to me
25. jroc74 (Posts: 5652; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I agree with the AG. I was also under the impression that I didnt have to worry about ETF's. I would just have to keep paying on the phone until the balance was paid off. And soo many ppl hated on Verizon's similar plan....and raved on T Mo....lol. So far...this is from Verizon's website:
"Do I continue to pay my payment monthly even if I cancel my service?
Yes, if you voluntarily disconnect your wireless service, you’ll continue to be billed monthly until your balance is paid in full."
Thats different than what T Mo is doing. No mention so far about ETF's. If their isnt.....I will gladly pay the finance charge and whatever extra on Verizon, my current carrier....
26. jroc74 (Posts: 5652; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I didnt mean ETF's...... I meant paying off the balance ASAP if you cancel service. So far with T Mo you have to, Verizon you dont.
32. donfem (Posts: 591; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
T-Mo states that " at anytime you want to cancel your service, you have to pay off the balance". Does that tie you into a contract?
33. Fuego84 (Posts: 329; Member since: 13 May 2012)
Cool my transaction was on April 06. Not sure whether they'll take the note 2 back since I broke it by dropping it, the screen has 3 cracks on the inside of the screen and it it won't turn on. Anybody here know if I can return it that way. Lawyers help.
34. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Are you seriously asking that question?
No, of f**king course you can't return a phone that you broke.
35. ninjahero (Posts: 2; Member since: 27 Apr 2013)
I work for a carrier and can't even begin to explain the logic that people have when walking into my store. People, please take the time to educate yourself on the company and their services.