Switching from Android to Windows Phone Part 1: initial impressions and missing features
0. phoneArena 10 May 2012, 09:20 posted on
Making a change or choosing a new mobile platform can be a big step. Our mobile devices are more and more important in our daily lives, so the choice we make for our hardware and software dictates a lot of how we interact on a daily basis...
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91. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
I'd take the no upgrade thing with a grain of salt. There isnt a direct reason why the handsets cant be updated. if they sold like crap, thats probably the only reason they wouldnt, but phones like the 900 will all but definitely get an update.. Id bet a buck on that.
And if not, WP7 has an active mod community that will fix it for ya. Starting to sound like android.. lol
101. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2669; Member since: 26 May 2011)
The direct reason is that carriers don't want to push it, and Microsoft won't allow "fragmentation" by making the update an optional install through Zune.
103. jimjam (Posts: 238; Member since: 28 Jun 2011)
When decent WP7 handsets can cost $200 compared with the $300-400+ for the other OSes then really WP7 users can afford to get a new phone in a year's time anyway. Its not like WP7 is going to be obsolete right away once wp8 arrives either. I'd be mad if I invested $600 on an iphone or galaxy III for it never to receive OS updates. But my $200 Radar ... well I wouldn't be too disappointed. I think android users are too used to being upset about the OS upgrade issue... probably due to how rapidly it moves.
I would be surprised in Lumia 800/900 owners don't get an upgrade though. That would make me mad if I invested in one of those!
137. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
There is still plenty of time for deals to be made and issues to be ironed out. Its something to worry about for sure, but its not set in stone just yet.
169. snowgator (Posts: 3205; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Hey Sniggs!! I am about 3 hours from St. Louis (not sure if you are you still there), but I will be willing to roll out there and buy you your choice of drink if 2nd Gen devices at least do not get it. I am not even buying for one second that Microsoft will not get one of the main advantages of this type of system to all their newer devices. I know you loves you some Android, and truthfully you may not enjoy WP based on what you enjoy doing, and how steeped you are with Google. But, WP8 will be available to these devices.
Obviously, each carrier may slow this down, but I am willing to bet, literally, the upgrade shows up.
172. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
It really just be silly that first gen devices dont get it as well, since technically there is almost no discernible hardware differences between them. But they need to at least hit the big guns, the Nokia 900 & 710, Focus 1&2, Titan 1&2, and maybe even the OG HD7.
77. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I've said it before I think windows is doing this right. They rebuild their OS from the ground up and have focused on the right things. They're a little light on features, but with their next update and the Nokia partnership I think they're set to take a chunk of androids marketshare. There's a lot of dissatisfied android users that will be switching.
80. Sniggly (Posts: 6942; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Of course you couldn't go through a whole comment without passive aggressively bashing Android. I know this is just the Internet, but it's almost physically painful to read a mostly reasonable statement and then just see it completely derail at the end.
I mean, really. There is no longer anything implicitly and/or glaringly dissatisfying about Android; if there's anything that dissatisfies customers anymore, it's that they happen to get a really crappy Android phone (which, unfortunately, exist) or they happen to get a defective high end Android phone, which then drops them into a pattern of getting crappy refurbished phones (something which has been a reality in the mobile warranty/insurance industry for years now).
More often than not, when I've shown someone the advantages of Android (mainly through features and cost) they won't make the switch from an iPhone because either their peers have it or they've invested too much into the iPhone ecosystem.
I'm willing to bet that if Google made a switch initiative which allowed for people moving from iOS to get any apps they paid for on iOS for free on Android, and also move their music/documents over to Android for free (and made it easy)
82. Sniggly (Posts: 6942; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
the rate of Android adoption from iOS would be much higher.
94. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i dont know why or how u keep expecting more of him.
106. Sniggly (Posts: 6942; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Because, hyperbole aside, Taco's not an idiot. At least he doesn't appear to be. His reading comprehension sucks (either that, or he's very good at misinterpreting/selective reading) but he's not an idiot.
113. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol, im going to have to respectfully disagree with that. :)
4 years of him nipping at my heels and watching him say the same things over and over and over again no matter how true or untrue they may be.. and a very glaring lack of reading comprehension that we have all seen over our times here, leads me to conclude the exact opposite.
170. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
The bet was for who sold the most smartphones in Q1-2012. Samsung wins, he leaves the site, Apple wins, I leave the site.
We all know Samsung won by a healthy margin, but just as I figured, he refuses to honor the bet and leave. It would be so peaceful if he did.. If only I had ban powers, I'd enforce the bet myself. :)
89. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
The very first comment that I almost would of agreed with you on. It's very unfortunate that you brought in biased comment at the end.
95. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Unfortunately it's true. Android satisfaction rates are abysmal. Very few people want to tinker with their phone to make it work. Most happy android users just don't know any better. Windows will be the alternative that eats into their market share.
98. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
"most happy android users just dont know any better".
seriously? you actually just said that? lololol. troll of trolls.
99. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
Actually it depends on your definition of satisfaction. iPhone users also unlock and jailbreak their phone. I guess to your definition of satisfaction those iPhone users also aren't satisfied with their phone. Once again, your argument that Android suck doesn't just go one way, but iPhone and WP too. From what I see, WP will eventually eat into more of Apple's market share than any others. Most of the iPhone users I know already got the Lumia 900 or other WP, I'm not saying that's the general population there, but at least in my crowds there's a clear indication of people ditching iPhone for WP.
109. Sniggly (Posts: 6942; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Okay. Outstanding. You're allowed to be dissatisfied. Doesn't change my point that the operating system itself doesn't have anything that's glaringly dissatisfying. Unless you have something specific to add about what dissatisfies you.
114. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
People who like quality won't be happy with android that's for sure.
123. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
Quality... are you talking about the screen shatters when iPhone dropped? or are you talking about the parts being used that were built by other manufacturers like Samsung?
OS wise, you are talking about how the whole phone slows down or freezes after I jailbreaked it to make it do the things it was supposed to, but still doesn't?
127. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Glass is quality. How many 5 star hotels have you been to that use plastic silverware or plastic vases.
Apple designs all it's parts and has others manufactur them. Doesn't make them any less Apple's.
Freezing and lagging after you hack your phone. That's on you for messing it up.
138. Sniggly (Posts: 6942; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Actually, silverware isn't usually glass. It's usually metal. And there are Android phones out there which use more metallic parts than the iPhone.
And vases just have to sit there and look pretty. They're not meant to be tossed in pockets, dropped, thrown around, handled by kids, etc. In fact, vases are generally not meant to be handled by guests at all.
The quality of material depends on what function it fills. A phone made entirely of glass is NOT a quality phone, because glass is a poor material to use for the phone's most abused surfaces.
140. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
thank you for saving me a moment by explaining the difference between a vase and a phone. lol.
Taco, go put a vase in your pocket.
139. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
So once again, glass that shatters is consider quality.
And again you're claiming other manufacturer products are not quality, but the product they make for Apple are quality.
Btw, freezing and lagging doesn't happen on my Android. Just so you know, most people who hack their iPhone to make it to do what it's suppsed to, experience lag on the iPhone. It's called a hardware limitation.
Your argument completely contradicts your point of quality, which makes your argument pretty much invalid.
112. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Force closes, lag, ugly UI, lack of support from OEM's and google, inaccurate touch screens are just a few things.
116. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
and he just completely proved my point about saying the same thing over and over and over again regardless of accuracy or validity.
Taco is still arguing against android 1.6 vs iOS5 I dont think he realized we are now on 4.0.4.
The game has changed, get a clue.
119. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Haha just what I was about to say. 6 months later 5% have been blessed with 4.0.
122. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Thats about to change considerably in the next 3 months as major ICS phones are starting to drop and a lot of updates are also about to drop for older phones.
Besides, almost every problem Taco is dreaming about went away in 2.2. 2.3 is pretty flawless on its own. And those 2 versions of android make up almost the entire android market. So his point is still completely invalid.
130. jimjam (Posts: 238; Member since: 28 Jun 2011)
by the time ICS gets on 50% of the phones jelly bean (or whatever) will be here and even the next.
125. Sniggly (Posts: 6942; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
1) are you really going to claim that those happen often enough on a good Android phone to be a problem?
2) Are you really going to claim that nothing ever crashes on iOS?
Are you really going to claim that on a good Android device lag is ever bad enough to cause issues?
Are you really going to claim that iOS never lags? I have some brand new 3GSes sitting in my drawer at work that would speak otherwise. Also, I've seen even 4 and 4Ses lag.
By whose standard? Not saying that Android 2.3 stock and below was stellar, but "ugly" is an entirely subjective standard. I can say the iPhone's UI is ugly. And you know what? Some people will agree with me.
Lack of support?
Because having to pay for a 1 year warranty that EVERY OTHER OEM GIVES FOR FREE is so much more supportive of Apple, right?
Inaccurate touch screens?
What the hell? Even my Cliq is accurate. What, do you assume that Android phones all have resistive touchscreens or some bulls**t?
Please, name more. I could go all day. If you ask for a smackdown, you get a smackdown.
129. jimjam (Posts: 238; Member since: 28 Jun 2011)
Just being google is enough
and if it isn't
it really is ugly to a lot of people but you are right it is all in the eye of the beholder.
I would add slow to get updated to the latest as can been seen by the current ICS users.
Lack of any kind of care for lower or even mid range handsets
That low range handsets even exist give android a bad name
I personally find that the ease to get cracked apps onto android is disturbing but then again its pretty easy on IOS. Really only WP7 is tight enough right now for the majority of users. But that is unlikely to last.
I know you can change them but when motorola puts on motoblur or other manufacturers it really puts me off. I believe some even are difficult to remove.
I can't be bothered going on.
144. iWallE (Posts: 48; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
"That low range handsets even exist give android a bad name"
So, Mr. elitist, you believe that in order to keep their image, everyone should make $500+ phones only? And what about those parts of the world where $500 is the monthly wage. Of the successful people. Should they stay on feature phones or deter from having mobile phones at all. Trying to bring at least some of the expensive features of high-end phones into a more affordable package is one of Android's main strengths. And it's in line with Google's overall image. They try to play the good guy, flawed at times, but still smiling and endlessly trying to change the world.
126. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
You pretty much described my whole experience with iOS there. Except it's different: it freezes, lag, and lack of an actual UI to make to stand out to others.
142. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
UI copied? Oh please, iOS UI is just an app drawer.
146. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Said that android would copy an app drawer
150. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
Maybe it's time for Apple to copy back and give some good sense to it's users. Altho that still wouldn't help you make any sense.
151. Sniggly (Posts: 6942; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Sad that Apple copied Blackberry and Palm's app drawers.
110. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
121. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
did you REALLY just link to a survey that is OVER A YEAR OLD as proof of current conditions?
Did you READ the article you linked to? Like normal, I bet not. The article calls into question a few things on the survey as peculiar. But one thing is funny, the iphone came in last on actual battery use for heavy users.
Taco, you just keep proving my points about you.. over and over and over again..
136. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Nothing has changed from last year. Android is still mostly half baked.
143. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
as always, im arguing with a wall with a dunce cap and the word "taco50" spray painted on it.
166. Whateverman (Posts: 3195; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Oh, are we judging current version OS's properties by old iterations??? Ok, let me try one then...if Android is still laggy and half-baked, then iOS still doesn't do mms, custom ringtones, no centralized notifications, or OTA updates! :)
Sounds rediculous right? That how you sound to us.
132. Sniggly (Posts: 6942; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
That's not abysmal, Taco. 1 star is abysmal.
So do we add star ratings to the list of things you can't comprehend?
For instance, let's take HTC.
Overall satisfaction: 2 notches below the iPhone
Ease of operation: 2 notches below
Operating system: 2 notches below
Physical design: 1 notch below
Handset features: the same
Battery life: same as iPhone.
And now Motorola:
Overall: 2 notches below
OS: 1 notch below
Physical Design: 2 stars (still not abysmal)
Handset features: 1 notch below
Battery: HIGHER than the iPhone.
Even Samsung, the worst of the big 3, isn't abysmal. Not good, but not abysmal.
92. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you just keep thinking that taco.
if there was a poll out to prove it, I'd bet money that most WP7 users are first time smartphone users, symbian converts, iOS converts, and android converts.. in that specific order. iOS is much closer to WP7 than android is so for OS converting its much easier.
96. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
How can anything you post be taken seriously when you show an utter disregard for facts and logic.
97. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
there ya go talking to yourself again taco. you know, you really need to get some therapy or something. Maybe with a side of antipsychotic.
128. iWallE (Posts: 48; Member since: 10 Oct 2011)
Such a poll would really be interesting, unfortunately noone would research a platform with 2 % market share. I'd put Symbian converts before first time users, since in Europe and parts of Asia many people still buy Nokia because they are familiar with the brand, regardless of the OS the phone is running.
The philosophy behind Android and WP is so fundamentally different, I think very few people who chose the green robot willingly would seriously consider switching. I can see two types of users making such a move: 1) light users who only need several basic features present on any platform and who choose their phones based on design and price, rather than features; 2) tech lovers who are excited to try something different. But the first group rarely grow loyalty to an OS and the second one usually leans towards Android because of the customization.
133. jimjam (Posts: 238; Member since: 28 Jun 2011)
Some good points. Nokia is more than just a brand though. Quality... eg call quality is always top notch. Nokia phones last.
Well except when they ditch the OS!
141. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Only problem is most people don't choose android willingly. It's just the cheaper option or in some cases the only option since the carrier doesn't have an iPhone.
Look at AT&T, Sprint and VZW. iPhone was about 60% of ALL smartphone sales. Look at the tablet market. iPad sold about 70% of ALL tablets. When people have a choice they'll go with quality, Apple.
The only reason for the average user to get android is its cheaper. Some tech geeks may actually prefer it though.
145. jimjam (Posts: 238; Member since: 28 Jun 2011)
Enough people have an iphone ... it gets boring ... really boring
148. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
No, they don't choose Apple willingly, they choose blindly. Well, maybe in your case willingly. People who doesn't get iPhone but gets cheaper option willingly. Not to mention you keep forgetting, newer models of Android isn't cheap. Go take a look at how much is the iPhone being offer on AT&T and compare it to the HTC One X.
taco taco... just stick to making some bomb carne asada tacos and leave the commenting alone.
152. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
One X will be down to sub $100 in a couple of months
157. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
Yeah, and a SGS3 will take it's place. So even a cheaper contracted phone has higher specs than an iPhone? No wonder people say Apple rips off consumers.