Students allegedly forced to work at Foxconn assembly lines as new iPhone nears
0. phoneArena 11 Sep 2012, 08:23 posted on
Just a day before Apple’s big day when it introduces its brand new sixth-generation iPhone, another overseas work labor scandal is heating up…
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1. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10212; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Its news like this that make me question humanity. Students? Really?
2. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Got to build up inventory of new iToys somehow.
3. ajac09 (Posts: 1477; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
Id love to see how many icrap would be made if they had the factory in the US.. they wouldnt meet there demands having to pay people liveable wages and not treating them like crap
8. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Apple customers should know that by purchasing highly overpriced products you are just increasing depreciation of currency and it affects whole financial and economic situation, it is one of the reasons why begins various financial and economic crisis.
So, "THANK YOU" Apple customers for your contribution to the current financial and economic situation! ;)
32. E.N. (Posts: 2578; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
- according JP Morgan (who I'm pretty sure knows more about the economy than you do), iPhone sales will actually benefit the US economy by increasing GNP. GNP is a "economic condition of a country" and a higher GNP "leads to a higher quality of living"
So, "YOU'RE WELCOME"
33. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
yea, and if you look at the numbers, they are SPECULATING a 50% boost in GNP from previous iphone sales.
AGAIN, and I posted this on that very article, that means they would need a 50% increase in sales OR MORE considering thier supply costs have gone up since they have to pay their slave workers more. A lot has changed since the i4s launch.
Not only would they have to have AT LEAST 50% more sales to make those numbers.. they would have to have a few more sales in general to have the same impact as last year since their profit margin is slightly smaller.
Also, considering that they hide the bulk of their money in off shore accounts, it may affect stock price, but its not going to do much to directly benefit anyone in the US.
35. E.N. (Posts: 2578; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Isn't almost everything speculation? PhoneArenaUser is putting some blame on Apple for the economic crisis, yet he has no research at all to back up his claims. PURE Speculation. As for this study, JP Morgan is pretty respected, so I think they have a little more credibility....just a little
What you said is correct, but its still possible. Keep in mind they aren't including the sales of 4S which will probably sell at $99 and also they only predicted 8 million sales of the new iPhone, which I think is a large underestimation.
All in all, the point I was trying to make is that Apple may be benefitting the economy more than it is hurting it (if its even hurting it at all). I don't think that's a crazy thing to suggest
36. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Arthur Anderson (once amongst "BIG 5" accounting firms) were also very respected untill the castle fell with ENRON scandal.
37. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the economy would benefit a lot more if apple would repatriate its earnings, pay the owed taxes to the american people, and bring some parts of its manufacturing home to the US. I'm sorry, but im sick of pretending its still a US company when 70%+ of its worksource and money is over seas and will never return home.
Whatever its benifit might be.... is all speculation. you never know. the i5 could fall flat on its face or it could be the 2nd coming of the electronic jesus..... or anything in between.
speculators speculate because it increases THEIR money. The more they speculate, the more hype there is.. the more likely people are to BUY... which increases the stock's value. Which makes them money.
38. E.N. (Posts: 2578; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I seriously think we're getting off topic. I'm not here to discuss the many different ways Apple can benefit the economy or to discuss the techniques in speculation. PhoneArenaUser posted that Apple is partly to blame for the economic crisis without any research at all and I posted more tangible and realistic analysis to negate that. He's speaking from his ass and I provided info from a somewhat reliable source.
I don't want to get into taxes, production in the U.S., the BIG 5 accounting firms, Arthur Anderson, etc...lol. My only point is that we don't have enough evidence to put some of the blame of the economic crisis on Apple without any research, especially when there's a chance that they're perhaps maybe possibly helping the economy.
41. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Read my comment #39 and #40.
Here is example for you:
Think twice what will happen to the currency if an company will start globally selling 1kg aluminium bricks at 1kg platinum brick price and many of peoples would start purchasing them like a zombies.
THE ANSWER: IT WOULD KILL VALUE OF CURRENCY!
43. E.N. (Posts: 2578; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
you're comparing a natural/basic resource to a luxury/inessential product. High prices for a basic resource is very bad, because whatever company that wants to use those resources have to seriously bump up the price of their product. But since the iPhone is a finished product, they don't have a chain effect. Whatever people decide to spend their excess money on (after gas, food, water, shelter, etc..) is not very significant.
I feel like I'm talking to high schooler straight out of economics class. You need to start taking better notes.
44. E.N. (Posts: 2578; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
And also, think of all the companies that benefit because of companies like Apple. Think of all the cases makers, iPod/iPhone stereo makers, application developers, etc etc. Apple has helped create a new market, not only in smartphones...but in all many other aspects related to smartphones as well. I'm sure you're teacher about how things like that can be beneficial to the [world] economy.
40. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"PhoneArenaUser is putting some blame on Apple for the economic crisis..."
By saying it, I put blame not on Apple, but on Apple's customers. Also I don't say that exactly they had caused economic crisis, I say that " it is one of the reasons why begins various financial and economic crisis."
"...yet he has no research at all to back up his claims. PURE Speculation."
I don't need any researches to prove that by purchasing UNREASONABLE - BASELESS overpriced products you are increasing depreciation of currency because it is not my opinion or speculations, it is the FACT from economy. It is basics and you can learn about that in almost any institution of higher education even if your specialty is not related with economics, it is basics!
And leave J.P. Morgan's researches alone, because I'm talking about depreciation of currency not about America's GNP.
42. E.N. (Posts: 2578; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Yeah I know you said "it is one of the reasons." Just like like I said "some of the blame." Well I assumed you were talking about the U.S. because that's what the original post (comment #3) is mainly about. So that means you're just posting random crap just for the hell of it. Not surprised.
and GNP may not measure depreciation of currency, but it does measure "economic condition" and "quality of living," which gives a more complete picture of the economy.
The fact is, if what you're claiming is even remotely significant, we would have already heard about it from some kind of trusted company, and not some random fanboy wannabe world economist.
45. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Simple question for you: Do you deny the fact that by purchasing UNREASONABLE - BASELESS overpriced products you are increasing depreciation of currency ?
39. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
First, I was talking not about America's GNP, I was talking about depreciation of currency GLOBALLY!!!
Yes it helps for U.S. GNP since Apple is an American corporation and since Apple's products are for export too, but that doesn't change the fact that by purchasing UNREASONABLE - BASELESS overpriced products you are increasing depreciation of currency! It doesn't matter you like it or not, but it is the fact! Also remember that U.S. is not the only one country in the world and that economy is closely linked.
20. Droiddoes (unregistered)
I see your point but disagree. Apple fans have such a cult mentality that the "new" iphone could go back to 2G, 3mp camera, 118ppi screen and people would STILL camp out for days or slit their momma's throat to get one.
4. rainyday (Posts: 44; Member since: 04 Sep 2012)
Roumors say that Tim Cook stays behind the workers with a whip in his hand when he visits the Foxconn factory
"Faster little chineese boy, faster!"
16. tluv00 (Posts: 134; Member since: 18 Oct 2007)
He brings the slowest workers back to his hotel for a little one on one "training".
5. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4767; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
"Students" seems vague. Ok how old are these "students"? If they are children then that should STOP immediately. I am at a loss with Apple.
DO YOU NOT KNOW what is going on at the plants that are making YOUR products?
DO YOU NOT have a representative there to protect your company's interest & keep positive PR? If any company can afford someone like that it's Apple.
Why does Apple keep itself shrouded in that way? Why give anyone a reason to doubt you? How can you look anyone in the eye & claim you are an ETHICAL corporation when these questions are STILL arising?
I really don't know what to make of Apple. It's like they just don't care!
6. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
The whole contract manufacturer scam is a means for companies (not just Apple, but any company) to claim plausible deniability for labor abuse. I am wondering how many under 18-ers are being employed as 'interns'. If the 32,000 number is the population of under-18ers, that needs to stop IMMEDIATELY. Maybe time for a ban on products made with child-labor?
7. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4767; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
EXACTLY, I just don't get why Apple would even be in the same sentence with "student" labor. It really gets me that Apple has "no say" as the client on who works on THEIR products. I just don't believe that at all.
Apple knows more than they are claiming!
This is just plain old ugly.
18. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Apple has full control over those foxconn plants. Foxconn has said many times that the practices at the plants are dictated by the partners demands in their contracts and that Apple has the worst conditions of all their mobile electronics plants. Where's the reports of this happening at the MS and Asus plants if it were all of foxconn's plants doing this?
Apple keeps a thumbscrew on every supplier, they know exactly what is going on.. just like under Jobs, they dont give a shyt. You forget, under jobs, Tim Cook was the one responsible for supplier contract negotiations.
21. Droiddoes (unregistered)
You don't think apple cares, do you? As long as they keep cranking out their novelties they could have toddlers on the production line for all they care.
9. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)
Outdated design, court drama, patent bullying and misleading commercial ads of Apple are okay, but this? It's just too much. If this news were true, then I dunno how rotten Apple could get.
I would never spend a single penny to a device that is a product of forced labor. Screw Apple and Foxconn.
10. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
ifans, remember in each of your iphone there is blood and sweat of a poor chinese
26. arsenaljimenez (Posts: 155; Member since: 03 May 2012)
Yeah, im pretty sure they would live with knowing that
as long as they look cool.
11. ibap (Posts: 738; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)
Sounds as though Foxconn uses its clout to conscript non-employees to work on the iPhone lines. Does it say anywhere that they get any pay for doing this? I'm betting not.
Another example of a corrupt, ostensibly Communist government using capitalism for its own purposes. And I'm betting any government official involved in this is being compensated handsomely off the books.
12. -box- (Posts: 3984; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Inevitably. That's at least one of the reasons China is the most popular car market right now, especially for luxury and exotic cars
13. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
Modern day slavery!!! Damn Apple!!! Is there still any doubt Jobs is roasting in Hell!!!
15. mikiemon (Posts: 13; Member since: 01 Feb 2012)
China is a communist country, what else would you expect? I guess that why Apple deals with China and Foxconn, cause deep down they operate on the same morals and practices. Shame Apple shame!!!
29. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
Communism has nothing to do with this. this is capitalism in its purest form. use the cheapest labour and sell for the highest profits, this is apples doing, and apple is an american company...
17. andro. (Posts: 1994; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Should anyone be surprised when headlines involving the iphone manufacturing contains the words 'foxconn' and 'forced labour'. Apple sinks to new lows daily
19. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
When will you iOS users stand up and force Apple to change their ways???? They dont give a shyt because YOU dont give a shyt.
22. Droiddoes (unregistered)
They won't, bunch of hypocritical hipsters. They don't care as long as they get their shiny outdated overpriced novelties.
24. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Its amazing that most of those "hipsters" are also obama voters and people that scream for the end of inequality at home.. but as long as its happening elsewhere in the world, they turn a blind eye because they dont want to give up their toys. Keep railing against the 1% while you support one of the dirtiest, and worst examples of capitalist companies in the world.
27. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
How in the hell have you managed to insert Obama into this one beats the heck outta me...
34. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
because most "hipsters" are also liberals. they go hand in hand. those "baristas" and the stereotypical iphone users are by and large democrats. Which feeds the irony of their likely support of "Occupy" movement and Obama, while they are also supporting one of the worst human rights offenders in the 1st world.
23. kombinatonz (Posts: 30; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
Typical American company. I bet they paying workers below minimum wage.
30. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
You see, they just cant afford to pay them more, otherwhise they wont be able to afford that spaceship they are building...
25. abhijeit (Posts: 25; Member since: 07 Sep 2012)
THIS WEBSITE IPHONEARENA.COM, DOESNT LEAVE A SINGLE OPPORTUNITY TO WRITE ANYTHING ABT IPHONE EVERY SINGLE DAY!!! Good publicity gimmicks huh, they might as well get paid for this by the toy company!!!
28. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)
You gotta keep those 60% margins rolling in somehow...
31. 1ceTr0n (Posts: 549; Member since: 20 May 2012)
99% chance that the "complainers, activities and humanitarian people here speaking out against the so called slavery of Apples products as a result of forced labor are VERY LIKELY typing/writing/speaking their opinions and words of salvation about china's poor slaves on a device that was also likely mas produced/assembled by china laborors.
Irony, its farking thick at times....
46. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
Where did you get the image for the avatar??? It's cool!!!