Still a gimmick? Qualcomm announces its first (low-end) 64-bit mobile processor
0. phoneArena 09 Dec 2013, 19:25 posted on
Qualcomm quietly moved the man who made the unwise comment calling Apple's new 64-bit A7 a "gimmick", but the company isn't going to escape the comment so easily, especially now that it is announcing its own 64-bit mobile processor. Obviously, it has been said here that while the chip is powerful, in its current use Apple's A7 is more of a marketing gimmick. Right now, the benefits are limited in the iOS devices that exist now, but we're not a processor manufacturer, so we're allowed to say things like that...
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1. TerryCrowley (Posts: 194; Member since: 31 Jul 2011)
So what? Qualcomm knows it's a gimmick. They also know that it's a smart gimmick. It's just another term for people to use in the spec war that's slowly suffering from diminishing returns. They called Apple on their crap, and decided to copy Apple on their crap cause it's smart.
2. jedpatrickdatu (Posts: 161; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
I agree. It's amazing how anything Apple does, other companies must follow, even if it is worthless, because Apple is seen as the leader.
4. jan25 (Posts: 438; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)
can't blame them. all the big companies will ask for 64-bit processors so that they can market the hell out of their devices and belittle the iPhone. even if deep down Qualcomm thinks the 64-bit is a gimmick, they won't risk losing market share over it.
5. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3575; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Who see's Apple as the leader anymore❔ What have they innovated lately❔.. Do they have Wireless charging, up to four HAAC mics per device, super sensitive touch, 9ms screen refresh times, assertive display technology, advanced camera technology, OIS, and so on❔❔.
Lumia devices pack more innovation into a single device than Apple has put in every iPhone for the past six years... Lumia should be the one to follow, and the fact is that the industry has been responding to ever thing that Lumia has innovated in the last few years.. And we're talking about useful features that are used in everyday life, not things that might be useful in the future..
11. jack123 (Posts: 149; Member since: 07 Jan 2013)
oops! you maybe right. Sometime they may never care what's in there or how useful it is, it's just people favor one thing over another thing.
12. bucky (Posts: 1905; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
Yep, kind of like having octa core processors, eye gestures and so on.
20. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3575; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
Not that they are bad things, but are we really seeing the full benefits of them on our smartphones❔... Which would you rather have. 80 billion transistors in your next chip, or worlds better battery technology❔... At the point my smartphone performs with its current "outdated" snapdragon DC1.5gz I would just rather my next Lumia have better screen, battery, camera, sound, radio, and software technology as a tradeoff..
14. taikucing (unregistered)
bla bla bla...
more than 1 billion transistors in A7 CPU. That almost reaches the transistor count of 6 cores Intel Core i7 Gulftown (1.17 billion).
And for GPU side, it really packs a punch.
Apple is still the leader in ARM based CPU.
my PC's monitor has 2 ms refresh time. So what?
19. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3575; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
You can say blah all you want, but what's more useful in everyday life on a smartphone,, all the things I mentioned, or your one billion transistors❔.. Can you show anyone the advantage❔ However many transistors my Lumia 920's dual core processor has it alows it to do all of the useful things that I mention plenty fast enough, and without issue... I'm not saying that the iPhone is bad by any means because it is superbly developed by every means.. Its just that the original point was about how everyone is following Apple for innovation when they are clearly not... My 920 came out in November of 2012 and it blows away the newest iPhone in innovation, and that's fact❕...
And, your argument about your PC's monitor is the most lame ever.. That's like you saying that your iPhone has 4gb of ram and me replying "who cares my PC has 8gb of ram".. Really❔ We're talking about smartphones hear, and to put that 9ms refresh time in perspective for you,, pretty much all modern smartphone screens are around 23ms, that's a huge difference, THAT YOU CAN SEE!
16. vandroid (Posts: 323; Member since: 04 Sep 2012)
Their fingerprint scanner is innovative all other oems use the swipe fingerprint scanner which is a POS
21. rodneyej1 (Posts: 3575; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)
That's nice.. 1 new innovative feature in how many years❔... I'll take all that I mentioned above, and more, over a fingerprint scanner.. Not to say that Apples FP scanner isn't cool, because it's awesome, but that's just not enough to make me wait in line overnight...
22. bucky (Posts: 1905; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
You are absolutely right there. They have seemed to slow things down a bit. There seems to be a slowdown in the smartphone world from every maker.
Something big will come within the next couple of years. It certainly won't come from watches, glasses and flexible screens though.
35. Bernoulli (Posts: 2311; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
that is true, but just like Justin bieber iphone is just a fad. If you ever ask someone why they want an iphone they won't be able to give you a reason at all, I work at T-Mobile and as you may guess we have people that have the worse credit ever, and with no contract people with bad credit are required to pay half the price on a phone, and as you may guess their choice of phone is an iphone. I always try to get them to make the switch to the lumia 521, and I go as far as banging our demo against the counter, because I know that it won't break, and yet people still want an iphone and when I ask them, "why do you want an iphone?" they get upset saying that they just want it. ultimately the lumia 521 is the cheapest 4G phone we have so that's my go to phone for broke people, and it's sad that the Lumia 521, which was recently priced as cheap as 80$ online has more features and benefits than an iphone 5S, which is priced at 649$ plus tax.
36. Ninetysix (Posts: 1856; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
"and it's sad that the Lumia 521, which was recently priced as cheap as 80$ online has more features and benefits than an iphone 5S, which is priced at 649$ plus tax."
LOLing at this part. Please go ahead and list these features.
37. Bernoulli (Posts: 2311; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Microsoft Office, offline navigation, dual core processor, super sensitive screen, fast responsive screen, sd card storage expansion, the fact that I'm saving 600$ after taxes are factored in, here services by Nokia, a body that is almost unbreakable (I always bang ours and not a single scratch), dedicated camera button, removable battery, not sure about nfc but you can still send files via blue tooth like music and pictures, not sure about documents like word and Excel I'll try it later.
3. sprockkets (Posts: 1561; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
Before you go on about 64 bit being a gimmick, the article is very imprecise - ARMv8 brings about NOT JUST 64 BIT, but an UPDATED 32 bit instruction set.
The whole 64 bit part about processing and memory is nice - BUT is isn't the ONLY IMPROVEMENT.
28. nokia12 (Posts: 450; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
you guys just don't get it do you .. leave aside 64 bit ... this is Arm v8 based means new instruction set .. means faster performance ... as per anandtech performance will be 2.7 dmips .. meaning 10-20 % faster than cortex a9 cpu .. present cortex a7 is just at 1.9 dmips.. it will be rocking in low end this is the best news..
then you have adreno 306 which should obviously faster than adreno 305
7. mas11 (Posts: 1033; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
The need for 64-bit arises once the device uses over 4GB of RAM. Until that is necessary a 64-bit chip will remain a gimmick.
8. darkskoliro (Posts: 1055; Member since: 07 May 2012)
You realise that there are many more upgrades in bandwidth etc for the CPU when you switch to 64bit? 4gb ram is only one of the advantages.
15. taikucing (unregistered)
bandwidth depends on bus width, clock rate & type of memory.
32 & 64 bit CPU is not bus width. But it's the length of instruction code.
25. mas11 (Posts: 1033; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
Here is an article from 2009 about 64-bit windows (well before it was in mobile devices)http://lifehacker.com/5431284/the-lifehacker-guide-to-64+bit-vs-32+bit-operating-systems
9. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1584; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
Yeah, there's no benefit to using the ARMv8 instruction set, or the better handling of decoding audio/video or the improved security inherent in 64-bit. Just keep spewing the same nonsense Michael does. I'm sure he knows better than people who pay attention to actual SoC architecture, like the folks at Anandtech.
23. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)
And the advantage to staying with the aging ARMv7 instruction set is?
26. PapaSmurf (Posts: 9723; Member since: 14 May 2012)
I don't think you know the advantage of sarcasm?
34. tasior (Posts: 262; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
If You want to have 4GB of RAM You need 64 bit architecture. (2^32 of virtual memory contains not only RAM memory, so practical limit for 32 bit archtecture is 3 GB of ram)...
At least in X86 vs X64 architecture. I don't know much about ARM (mobile processors) architecture. If there is someone who specializes in ARM architecture, I'd like to hear his opinion.
10. crazymonkey05 (Posts: 164; Member since: 20 Nov 2012)
Waiting for the release of the S810? come on the 805 has barley been released and no Manufacture has yet to use the 805. but dont get me wrong i would love to see the 810 take on the likes of the Nvidia Tegra 5.
24. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)
The 805 is barely different enough to even be called a re-hash of the 800.
Quad Core is and has been a gimmick to begin with. There's a reason Apple and Intel are both using efficient, moderately clocked Dual core chips in their new SoC's.
13. hurrycanger (Posts: 1493; Member since: 01 Dec 2013)
Qualcomm's logic: It's a gimmick until we do it. B-)
17. kaikuheadhunterz (Posts: 1016; Member since: 18 Jul 2013)
I hope this processor is priced more or less the same as the Snapdragon 400
30. nokia12 (Posts: 450; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
"Qualcomm says that phones running its Snapdragon 410 processors will sell for around the $150 mark or less"
33. kaikuheadhunterz (Posts: 1016; Member since: 18 Jul 2013)
Don't really trust that info. Even current phones with the Snapdragon 400 sell for more than $200
18. PapaSmurf (Posts: 9723; Member since: 14 May 2012)
CES will be great when they announce the 64-bit Snapdragon 810. :)
29. nokia12 (Posts: 450; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
you guys just don't get it do you .. leave aside 64 bit ... this is Arm v8 based means new instruction set .. means faster performance ... as per anandtech performance will be 2.7 dmips .. meaning 10-20 % faster than cortex a9 cpu .. present cortex a7 is just at 1.9 dmips.. it will be rocking in low end this is the best news.. Krait cores have 3.0 dmips..
this quad core would actually be worthy of the name "quad core" and not those weak cortex a7 ..
then you have adreno 306 which should be significantly faster than adreno 305
32. SPIDERMAN4 (Posts: 25; Member since: 13 Apr 2011)
they should make snapdragen 815(805+64bit)