Steve Jobs's biological father regrets never meeting his son, Chinese workers unimpressed with the resignation
0. phoneArena 30 Aug 2011, 08:03 posted on
Abdulfattah John Jandali, the biological father of Steve Jobs, now hopes his son will contact him to meet for a coffee, as he had never seen him in person. Apple's former CEO health issues, however, don't appear to impress its poisoned Chinese factory workers...
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1. applesuxz (unregistered)
Wow not sure how accurate those statements are from the Chinese workers but if that's really the case Apple needs better business ethics. I'm sure a lot of companies employ similar workers but Apple is a global leader in its industry and should set an example of work conditions.
12. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Dude - it's Apple. Of course they need better business ethics. They always did. Way before the foxconn and poison incidents.
21. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
i don't think the workers understand they work for foxconn, lg, samsung etc... apple isn't gonna go tell those companies what to do.. its up to the companies to protect their own workers
24. RicNP (Posts: 32; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
@Lucas777 correct, but it is Apple's responsability to subcontract companies that have good business ethics and that are at the same level of Apple's standards, otherwise they are being negligent.
36. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
ya i understand but thats addressing a problem far along the chain instead of going after the true problem...
26. Sam (unregistered)
Ethics? Moving those plants to China meant they can make parts without the environmental laws in the US. You really don't think Apple or any other company from the US knows about that? Wow you really must be drinking that brain washing Kool Aid.
45. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Excellent point - companies all around the world go to CHINA for that reason - to avoid regulation. Remember the Olympics a while back?? SMOGVILLE.......or, at least it would have been if the CHINESE government had not told companies to stop polluting the place....had not told people to drive cars. CHINA's oil consumption rivals the US.
3. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
wow. didnt know jobs was adopted. sorry pops, i realize time is short but you had your whole life to make good with him and could have done so at any time.
27. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
+1. That was my question as I was reading the article. Why no attempt by pops to reach out to his son?
28. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
jobs might not have much interest in having a relationship with his real father. If you got super successful and THEN family started crawling out of the woodwork, would you? Its a pretty pathetic ploy on his dads part though. "Let me whine on the internet about how i never see my son i gave up 50 years ago, and now hes super successful and probably terminal.. and now i want him back in my life!"
yea, go find your money train elsewhere, pops.
31. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
either that or he found out his dad was rockin a galaxyS lol.
probably tried to sue him for it!
40. ChiquiKon (Posts: 58; Member since: 26 Jul 2011)
I do have my doubts, but I need to think both ways: maybe he is being a hypocrite or maybe not.
The article does says that his biological father emailed Jobs "... from time to time for his birthdays. " This means at least a couple of years. Who says he had being trying to reach him but Jobs didn't want to do any
thing about it. Well, that's his personal decision.
The article also says that the biological father "is now a VP of one casino in Nevada" and also that he is a "workaholic" so even if Jobs has tons of money, this man is not living in middle class and likes to work a lot. So I don' t think he's after money. To become a VP you must have to had work hard (that' s what' s expected) or have money or a status.
Personally, I've seen cases where both a parent and adult son/daughter is too ashamed, fearful of rejection or too angry to get closed to each other when they're are already grownups....
We really don' t know all the circumstances.
41. ChiquiKon (Posts: 58; Member since: 26 Jul 2011)
Might seem like a soap opera to some, but I'm sure some of you have heard/know similar true stories.
4. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
No one is making them work there. And if they are forced to work in these conditions they they have bigger issues at hand.
5. quakan (Posts: 1357; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
For a lot of them it's work or starve your family. Which would you pick?
48. Penny (Posts: 1647; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
They sign up to work at a factory. They don't sign up to be poisoned due to upper management decisions on cost and corner cutting.
49. E.J.Su (Posts: 25; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
if only I could voted "bad comment" 2 million times...
18. dv (unregistered)
Please do a little reasearch on what an average Chinese person would do for a job. More importantly what a job means to them. You could possible look into the human rights issues within the Chinese culture, and the reason loads of manufacturing is done in China. Corporate responsibility is non existant when it comes to the treatment of labor producing their goods.
30. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
Im sorry guys. But i have worked in some messed up places, I dont complain. I just work and move up.
But like you said maybe i should read a book or two.
Awe well moving on.
33. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
In the meantime, try not to blame the victims just because you're not in their shoes.
34. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
like i said no one put them in that factory. Work some where else. Go on strike do something. None of yall are going to do anything about the issues over there either.
And I am not blaming them.
37. ChiquiKon (Posts: 58; Member since: 26 Jul 2011)
Strike? In China???!!!! Really?...... Hum...I wonder what would they all controlling government will do to them o_O
39. ChiquiKon (Posts: 58; Member since: 26 Jul 2011)
Oh well, it seems like in the past years they have dare a lil more to go on strike :)
44. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
so then it is their governments issues not Steve's.
38. Whateverman (Posts: 3250; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Do you really think during the application process their potential employer said to each employee, "Hey, by the way. While making these products for a dollar a week, we will be exposing you to some highly poisonous chemicals for 14 hours a day. You'll experience a little numbness at first, but as time and the poison progerss through your body, you will be in an UNBELIVABLE amount of pain! And eventually you will become paralyzed, but hey! With that dollar a week salary you be able to feed your family for a few months."
I can't help but to wonder about a company that would allow people to poisoned for the sake of profits and anyone who could defend such a practice. Is this chemical still being used now? What the danger for consumers buying Apple's products?
6. ibap (Posts: 752; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)
Phonearena has had postings about hiring new writers. How about an editor? From strictly a language standpoint, this piece is one of the worst I've seen on the site.
Jobs is one man, and the company as a whole is responsible for what is done in their name if they want to maintain their good-guy image. On the other side of the argument - and for those who think business in the US is too highly regulated - isn't this what we would typically expect from Chinese manufacturers? As for not being forced to work in these conditions, I don't know the details of the situation, but it doesn't take very long for some things to cause problems, and how educated do you think all of these assembly line workers are?
22. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
china is a different world from america. workers over there have no rights and they have an overbearing and oppressive government pushing them down as well. Concidering half of china lives in poverty they are willing to work any job they can get to bring home food for the family. What we call "welfare" people, they call upper middle class.
32. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
I double thumbs up this bro. Finally someone on this site with so sense.
7. Mooooo (Posts: 212; Member since: 27 Aug 2011)
Looks like jobs spread around pain using the hope of feeding a persons family.
8. Commentator (Posts: 3665; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
Just the use of the phrase "uber-successful" would lead me to suspect that this article was written by at 10-year-old boy, but the fact that "successful" is misspelled confirms it.
9. Commentator (Posts: 3665; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
(Sorry if that came off a little harsh, but this is a serious article that normally wouldn't call for language like that.)
15. Daniel.P (Posts: 105; Member since: 14 Jul 2011)
Thanks for pointing that out, Commentator, fixed now :-)
10. ryq (unregistered)
isnt it wintek that should be held responsible not steve jobs? the least apple could do is sanction wintek or stop ordering from wintek until they compensate the workers properly.
13. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
And...why wouldn't Apple do that? I mean, everyone goes on and on about how Apple is more powerful than God, so they should theoretically be able to twist Wintek's arms and stop the poisoning.
But there's no obscene profit to be had from such a move, I guess.
20. iwebdroidberry7 (Posts: 230; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
The only people that actually act like Apple's power is comparative to God is the Apple haters. You do realize that you actually hold Apple to a higher pedestal than us fanboys right?
23. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Completely untrue. iFans like you continually talk about how Apple is the biggest, most powerful, richest company in the world, and somehow equate that to mean they're the best. You talk about how no company can afford to try to sanction Apple because Apple would survive while the sanctioning company goes down in flames. These are the bulls**t claims I hear all the time from iFanboys. So stop kidding yourself.
14. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
You know, Stalin's prisoners in the gulags supposedly even wept when he died.
So what does that say about our friend Stevie?
16. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4808; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Let’s hope that Tim Cook does the right thing for those workers. There is no reason in the world why people should be subjected to those types of working conditions. Apple has the money to make things right. Tim Cook HAS the ability & the funds to make this problem right. Let's see if this is a turn in the right direction for Apple. Apple now can change its image & make it not only the world’s most profitable company but also the world’s best company to work for. Let's see what type of ethics Tim Cook has!
17. Mooooo (Posts: 212; Member since: 27 Aug 2011)
We all pay for what we do right here while we are alive
19. gotti88 (Posts: 101; Member since: 06 Jul 2011)
the things people do for a job
and we in the united states complain about not havibg a job
but they die for them over there
25. dontbelievenonisheep (unregistered)
Something is wrong with those Chinese workers. We isheep consider it an insult that somebody would dare say anything negative against our god $teve. Waiti until I tell my fellow isheep about this. We are going to mass mail all of you. Boyfriend, you don't even know the way to protect $teve. That is, mention Microsoft somewhere and dillute the story so there is less emphasis on Apple.
35. iKingTrust (banned) (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Jul 2011)
YOU KNOW WHAT SUXZ, KIDS WHO WRITE STUPID SLANG LIKE SUXZ. ARE YOU SERIOUS LITTLE MAN?
43. corporateJP (Posts: 2431; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
You're only getting half the story on this deal...
46. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
What APPLE does directly, or indirectly, to CHINA's workers is just one instance of how things go on in this world with corporations. Corporations talk ethics in public and then in private, in some oppressed little-known region of the world corporate greed leads to CIVIL WAR - see AFRICA.
Actually, we are all to blame. Our need for phone leads companies to getting the required materials anyway possible.
47. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Interesting article on land grabbing in AFRICA -http://www.abugidainfo.com/?p=