Steve Jobs vowed revenge on Eric Schmidt over Android
0. phoneArena 20 Oct 2011, 21:46 posted on
A biography about Steve Jobs, which is scheduled to be released on Monday, apparently tells the story of the falling out between Eric Schmidt and Steve Jobs, and how Jobs vowed revenge...
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17. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5951; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
This story is consistent with Job's view of the world after his experience with MS violating the license that Jobs thought had been negotiated for MS to develop Windows. Jobs felt that MS had only been given the right to build tiled windows, while MS felt they had received a license to build any kind of window UI (including overlapping windows). Apple lost the litigation. From that point on, Steve became obsessed with control over what he perceived as his/Apple's IP. Which explains all of the litigation that Apple has launched in areas it (Steve) believed was its own exclusive preserve. The moment that Google released Android, I was expecting the lawsuits to flow from Apple.
20. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Well gee, this is a total surprise.. NOT. I TOLD you all, I TOLD you that Jobs and Apple had a vendetta against Android! I TOLD you the objective was to wipe them off the market... JUST BECAUSE Google put out an operating system that works off touchscreens too. I mean, what other major ideas could Apple claim as unique when Android came out? And Android was already deep into development by the time Schmidt would have been aware of the iPhone.
23. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Although it would be great to get Schmidt's verification that this story about his vendetta was true.
38. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5951; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Frankly, I suspect that after some passage of time, the lawsuits will get sorted out and Apple and Google will move on to the next big thing. Steve's passing gives cooler heads an opportunity to do what works from a business perspective.
In the mean time.... The competition between iOS and Android results in great (irresistible?) pressure to innovate. Just look at the difference between Android v. 2.3.4/5 and v. 4.X (ICS). I doubt ICS would have followed on the heels of iOS v. 5.0 were it not for the competition between iOS and Android.
26. DigitalBath (Posts: 8; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Apple is going to become the most bitter and pissed off company when it realizes Android has become a better OS. Maybe it already has realized this and that is why we see some of these rediculous lawsuits. You are setting yourself up for failure Apple when your number one priority is the destruction of Android..... it's not happening
50. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
Android will never be a better OS than IOS 5. Like I've said many times, nobody considers the fact that if it were not for third party applications, the Android phones would not be able to do over half the things it can and more than half the time, the app doesn't work as it should or crashes. That is why IOS always beats Android on sooooo many levels. All the features on IOS are integrated, tested, and always work unlike the Android OS with the third party support and guess what, you don't have to root it either. I know I've just amazed you all. I dare someone to argue. Look at all the issues that Gingerbread had in one month. If you'd like to take a look at how many I've had here's the link
And those are actual facts on calls that I have taken. That is just me alone and that's all in one month. I stopped documenting after that. Come on someone please argue with me, you know you are full of it if you do. Android would be miniscule if it weren't for Steve Jobs and his creations which made the smartphone industry what it is today.
52. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
Correction on that last post
****The apps don't work as they should or crash.
67. jacko (unregistered)
i had same thing on ios and even handset freeze so u wanna back up what u say
70. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
I've owned every Iphone that has been out except the 4S and I have never had my phone freeze or crash and I've never had an app cause my phone to do so and know plenty of people who share the same experience with no issues. In fact IDK anyone that has issues with their Iphone. hmmm....interesting. I know tons that have issues with their Androids. And sure maybe an Iphone or two has issues, but it's nowhere compared to the amount of Android issues because it is opened source and a bum can make apps for it.
63. scvzw2 (Posts: 32; Member since: 20 Jun 2010)
NVPMOTHAF you mad? Android is an open source .. your supposed to be able to run 3rd party apps smh and in any case explain these features your talking about? and unless your last android was the Eris (which runs 2.1) you'd know there are very few if any apps that crash now smh and no one said steve jobs didnt help grow technology which in turn help develop andriod even more.. but Google just took the tech and made a better OS imo many may think iOS is better like yourself that doesnt give you the right to bash it!
69. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
I don't bash it. I give correct facts. I don't dislike Androids because of their competition with Apple, I dislike Androids because of their inability to create a stable OS and the fact that the customers have to deal with the constant issues the Android OS presents when the new OSs come out. Like I've said before, I didn't dislike the Android OS until I started working for Verizon and saw how many pissed off customers there were when their phone didn't work before and after an update across all Android phones. Those issues that I have posted are no joke real life stats for calls that I've had on those issues in one month. Now I wouldn't be posting this if people wouldn't say that IOS sucks when in reality, it's Android that does. It's amazing how many people in that month also switched or wanted to switch to the Iphone because of it's stable and awesome nature
83. DigitalBath (Posts: 8; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
1st. Congrats on being a verizon call taker. We r all very proud of you.
2nd. I never once said in my post that IOS sucks.
3rd. If you were a call taker for apple, you would see customers calling in for problems about thier iphones just like android customers do about thier phones.
91. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
No Verizon takes calls on all phone issues including the Iphone.
88. Whateverman (Posts: 3231; Member since: 17 May 2009)
@ NVPMOTHAF. You are hilarious! You say Droids are useless without third party apps, well could you explain what are all the wonderful things the iPhone can do without third party apps? Until just recently, you couldn't even activate an iPhone without downloading iTunes first, and that's only if you even have a computer to load it on. But on any Android you had speech to text, widgets, multiple home screens, and even free turn by turn navigation before you even entered your gmail account into the phone. That's cool if you don't like Droids now, that's you prerogative, you don't have to make stuff up dude.
99. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
Ummm, my supervisor tried to show me that so called "speech to text" and tried to show me that it compared with Siri and that was an epic fail. You have to literally talk into the phone like it's a baby and that's even if it understood what you were saying. HA big joke. And if you noticed, the Iphone didn't really have any issues with the activation part because of the fact that it ran through Apple first (I will say that when the Iphone first released it did have issues with Activating because of the high vollume of phones being activated at once) the Bionic (which I like a lot) is still having issues activating a month after release. And I'm not making stuff up, that is real stats from calls I've been taking. And btw you can have multiple screens on the iphone as well and btw google maps on the Iphone is wayyy better than it is on the Android (I've seen it on both with multiple Android phones) It's like this one customer with a Droid X 2 said "You can't make this stuff up! I really feel like I'm on punked with as many Androids that I've had, new and clnr, in the last year." Srry you can't handle the truth. If they didn't have SOOOO many issues, I'd have nothing to post about other than how Iphone is more awesome.
100. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
And I wasn't calling you out DigitalBath, I was generalizing on the average Android user.
105. Whateverman (Posts: 3231; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I didn't say Google maps, I said turn by turn navigation. You go to Maps on iOS and it just sits there, with Android I say where I want to go and it tells me where to turn every step of the way. If your sup can't work voice actions, that explains a lot about both of you and the job your doing. I think Siri is better myself, but Siri can't tell me how to get anywhere, and it's just not worth getting just to hear my phone tell a few not-so-funny jokes. Your I titled to feel its is "more awesome" but I know the truth dude...and you ain't telling it!
232. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
I'm telling what I've seen and heard from numerous people in different states and when a customer calls in and says that they want the latest and greates android I tell them about the "great things" that the stock Android OS can do and I'm still able to easily convince them to get an Iphone without bashing either side. I like and dislike certain things on both operating systems, but you can't argue with the fact that IOS will always be more stable than Adroid OS.
198. speed4evr (Posts: 79; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
Im gonna have to agrre with them on this issue of Android stability. Ive numerous android phones, Hero Evo 4G Nexus 4G Evo 3D, I didnt have problems with. Only downfall to the Hero was slow processor n small amnt of ram, but that was Sprint's Android. Ive worked Sprint customer care for over 6 yrs, people are in love with Android or they wouldnt be taking market share and riddiculous amount of Android activations everyday. Your basis that you for Verizon and hear ppl complain is the norm. Ppl call customer care to complain, Android plays a huge part in the fact that Verizon has reached over 107M customers. As far as who stole ideas from who is never ending argument and is hard to prove without solid evidence. Either way, both companies ideas and innovations make each other continue to strive for new ideas. my 2 cents. ***Ive had numerous iPods n hated that you need iTunes to set it up or add stuff (iOS5 excluded)
247. networkdood (Posts: 6326; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Gingerbread had issues?? OK, lol.....not on my captivate....
272. Ray386 (Posts: 8; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
First of all NVPMOTHAF android doesnt need third party apps att wouldnt let you download third party apps for the longest and it was still an awesome device most people get an Iphone to jail break just so they can download third party apps And how can you say android will never be better than ios5. ios5 is nothing but an incremental upgrade from the all ready 5 year old software nothing special about it what you can get Siri wow nothing special its still the same thing that apple has had for 5 years and most of all the things in ios 5 I have been doing on an android device for about 2 years now
32. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
I think this added to the Biography is bound to open some wounds between fanboys in all places. I see some serious bashing going on latter
39. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5951; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I wonder if PA is going to do a series of review on Steve's bio? That should result in all manner of flame wars between Steve's fans and H8ers. Think of what a series of reviews (and the resulting flame wars) would do for the eyeball count metrics.
33. mukrenol (Posts: 90; Member since: 03 Sep 2011)
is there no chance that Schmidt had input in apple when he was on the board?
jobs is taking all credits and cannot take competitors
that's the impression of this article and of steve jobs
it's kinda sad....
40. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5951; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
"jobs is taking all credits..."
Interesting how Steve is listed as an inventor on so many of the Apple-filed patents. There are fairly well-defined criteria for who gets credited for being an inventor. I wonder if anyone has thought of challenging the crediting of Steve as an inventor on so many inventions. I mean, the guy would have had to hire some one to do his sleeping for him (as well as other things, too) if he did all of the inventing he is credited with doing.
173. UntitleD (Posts: 3; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
@Droid_X_Doug, This reminds me of Thomas Edison. He took all the credits on thousands of patents that came out from his firm. But most of them were creation of inventors/students in his firm.
So, the moral of the story is, get yourself a firm and hire a bunch of people to work for you LOL How screw up is our world now it seem.
48. vijaysivakula (Posts: 169; Member since: 17 Aug 2011)
True. It seems like Steve Jobs is the only person on this planet who is inventive and creative and everyone else is an idiot. Oops. I used a word that starts with "i". Am i going to be sued now?
35. bossmt_2 (Posts: 437; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
Multi-touch capacitive touch screens were around long before the iPhone,
I don't think Android stole from the iPhone, I think it emulates it without a doubt. Led Zeppelin emulated a ton of blues musicians, does that make them any less great?
42. whatevs (Posts: 18; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Companies steal from each other all the time,, through out the history of companies. But, why do android fanboys feel the need to over populate apple articles and android articles with apple-hate,,, and then bash others when they have an opinion opposite of yours??? You kiddin me with this?? Iphone baby!!
51. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Excuse me, but in a general sense most of us don't "bash" others for having differing opinions. We will argue, but the bashing only comes when something particularly idiotic or inflammatory is said, like "android is an unstable, buggy copycat-FORCE CLOSE! BAHAHAHA!"
53. whatevs (Posts: 18; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Are you saying that none of you ever say anything idiotic or inflammatory?? Cmon dude.
58. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I didn't say all Android guys are in the right, and in some extreme cases I've told the jerks to f**k off. I'm just saying that it's annoying to see someone whining that we have our own strong opinions and will express them on articles about Apple, ESPECIALLY when that whiny comment appears on an article about Android AND Apple.
66. whatevs (Posts: 18; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
You think I'm whining? All y'all do is whine about apple all day!! Apple is a superior hardware and software company. Not just to android, but most others too. You can have your opinions, but once again don't cry when someone has opposite.
72. L3610n (Posts: 47; Member since: 01 Jul 2011)
Says who? Superior hardware?? False. Software? Maybe. Superior to most others...??? SUPER DUPER F'n FALSE.
That statement pretty much says Apple is greater than Microsoft.. False.
80. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I don't cry. I just tell you why you're wrong. :) iOS is superior in smoothness-to an extent. The difference between the two became negligible with Gingerbread. It is not superior in app availability by any means that makes a difference to the end user. The amount of iOS exclusive apps dwindles by the day. The iPhone has superior hardware over the lower end Android phones, but higher end Android phones are just about as polished. The camera on the iPhone 4S apparently blows everything out of the water, but for someone like me, camera quality isn't a dealmaker anyway.
So where is this supposed awe inspiring superiority that you're telling me about? I don't see it. Is it superior because Siri can bypass security you have on your phone? Is it superior because Siri chews through your data? Is it superior because Apple didn't thoroughly test power management on the small battery in the iPhone compared to the greater power consumption on iOS 5?
43. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
It's funny to hear people say that IOS stole from Android when if it wasn't for the first Iphone, the Android ecosystem would not exist. So thank Steve Jobs for Android. No phone will ever compare to the innovation and perfection of the IOS, no matter how hard Google tries.
55. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
The "innovation" of iOS was taking the app list and settings menu from other established OSes at the time, slapping it on a touchscreen, and saying "There, done. That's our f**king operating system." Then they gradually added features other OSes already had and improved the hardware incrementally each year. Today's iOS is admittedly pretty robust, but it wasn't like that overnight. And it's still not perfect.
Android, however, was like saying "okay, Blackberry and Windows Mobile offer plenty of options, but we want to make an OS that's cleaner, easier, AND includes the services we've already built. We also want anyone to be able to make a phone with this OS on it. It'll be the ultimate work in progress; we'll add lots of features and refine the OS as we get feedback from customers and figure out what they want to see. Our manufacturers will be free to do the same. And that'll be our OS, the ultimate exercise in personal expression!
236. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
apparently to the clueless fans the iphone was the 1st smartphone with a touch screen...to some there was no such thing as smartphones before iphone...lol what they dont get is that the 1st iphone was a anything but smart it was just a expensive feature phone,that is why i waited until the 4 came out which was the 1st real smartphone from apple
57. bossmt_2 (Posts: 437; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
iPhone was largely a knockoff of the LG Prada, but with a true smartphone web browser. Everyone takes ideas from others.
44. vijaysivakula (Posts: 169; Member since: 17 Aug 2011)
This guy lived in a distorted reality. Wonder when he was knocked on the head hard enough to make him live in his own illusions. Regrettably he died without reaching the conclusion in his stupid war.
47. whatevs (Posts: 18; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Did you know him?? How do you know that he lived in a distorted reality? Ha! And what have you done?? Ha!!
71. jacko (unregistered)
what as steve done for u
other then take ur money HA!!!
81. whatevs (Posts: 18; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Uh, his products have made me money dude. For quite a while. Alright, goodnight. This is boring now.
195. jacko (unregistered)
how he made u money that any other phone couldn't
233. NVPMOTHAF (Posts: 78; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
Look at how much money the app store made people thanks to steve jobs. Look at Itunes and all you can do with it. Sure, google you can sync contacts, calendars, books, and gmail, but Itunes will back all of your stuff up much like BBDM and now it's all OTA. Itunes made artists a bunch of money itself. Steve Jobs and Apple may take your money at first, but you only have to pay one time and are guaranteed a working device for however long you decide to keep it.
237. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
made you money so what the hell are you doing commenting on PA...you should have much better things to do than defend apple
61. whatevs (Posts: 18; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Think what you want about Steve Job - he was an innovator. Like John Coltrane. Like Duke Ellington,,,, don't hate.
78. itzmando (Posts: 114; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Why must you instigate an argument, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but you have been on most articles stating blatant comments that have nothing to do with the article. Steve Jobs was a wonderful creator and was horribly struck with this pancreatic cancer at young age.
Please try not to push your opinion on others, its getting quite annoying viewing the "iphone rules" comments. Your being a hypocrite yourself by stating you see android owners bash apple when, your doing the same by placing Apple to being the best brand out there, and no other manufacturer can be as successful is just stirring up trouble.
196. jacko (unregistered)
innovator of copying
76. dbparipsa (Posts: 18; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
This is utter non-sense. This is all propaganda by Apple, nothing more. Now that Mr Jobs is dead, Apple does not have any creative and innovative genius. So, they cannot compete in the market with some innovative like Jobs did. So, they are pulling off such bulls**t propaganda against Android. With the launch of Android ICS, Apple is really worried or scared of Android's invincible route forward. So, they are using such unethical and immoral propaganda. Steve Job's death is fresh and people really looked up to him. So, Apple is now playing with people's emotional asset to Jobs and trying to generate hatred against Android in people's hearts.
But, my suggestion to all not-steve-jobs Apple brains - you better try to follow the legacy of Jobs by trying to make your products better than others'. So, try to win the smartphone race by improving your products rather than trying to play dirty politics against competing products. That way you can give tribute to Job's legacy!
I, for one, won't go by your non-sense Propaganda. I will decide which device I choose by looking their features and innovations rather than going after the emotional propaganda by Apple's idiots.
84. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
And of course, android fanboys think that they know more and better than Steve himself. I've been saying this over and over again. Android is an iOS rip-off. Google stole Apple's ideas. Eric served as Google's spy in Apple's board. Sorry android fanboys, but that's the evil truth behind android. It is stolen from Apple.
90. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2691; Member since: 26 May 2011)
You realize of course that Android was created outside of Google by Andy Rubin and his team between 2003-2006? Google then bought Android in 2006, before the iPhone existed (it hit the market in 2007).
Even if Android eventually used some ideas from iOS (as Apple has also done with Android), it's just a matter of quality becoming ubiquitous. A good idea is a good idea and everyone should benefit from it, regardless of who markets it first. There's no real way to prove who thought of the idea first, because it could have been inspired by many other things that came before it, and therefore no reasonable way to grant anyone ownership over said idea.
96. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Google actually bought Android in 2005, Michael, which actually strengthens your argument. :)
97. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@michael. But who knows for sure what Andy's team was creating for android. Yes, the iphone was released in 2007, a year after Google purchased android. Does that mean that Apple worked on the iphone OS just a few days before it was released? Of course not. Steve had this touchscreen vision many years back. Maybe not for a phone, but he definitely envisioned it way before 2006.
Patents exist to PROTECT someone's business, and rightfully so. It would be unfair for someone to just reap the fruits of someone else's ideas don't you think? As far as our legal system is concerned, If you patent an idea, you own it. Regardless, whether you came up with the idea yourself or bought it from someone.
108. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2691; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Sorry, I have absolutely no faith that the patent system works, especially with technology. There are tons of patents that duplicate other patents, or patent ideas/processes rather than actual products.
I think it's far more unfair to think that ideas are proprietary. Throughout history there have been continual examples of technologies being created by multiple sources at the same time, but completely independent from each other. Edison didn't invent the lightbulb, he just got the first patent in America. Bell didn't invent the telephone either, there were plenty of others developing the same thing.
I support innovation and technological evolution, which is spurred by the free sharing of ideas and being free to build upon others' works. The iPhone didn't invent anything, it put together a bunch of existing technologies, and turned them into the first hugely successful touchscreen smartphone. Since then, Android has been made better by borrowing from iOS and WP7, and iOS has benefitted from borrowing from Android and WP7. In the process, everyone gets better.
117. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@michael. I don't think that innovation and invention are synonymous. Apple, just like the others, did not really make anything from scratch. But you said it yourself. Apple was able to successfully integrate features and technology into their iphone that sets it apart from the rest. The iphone felt DIFFERENT. And that is all because of Apple's innovations and ideas, thinking outside the box, on how they could be different from the others. Hence, the slogan "think different" came about. It is not fair for anyone to just use their ideas that made them identifiably unique. If there's anything that Apple does not want their products to be, it's to be generic. And they will do whatever they can to protect their image of being different. And how can they do that if they would just let anyone copy their ideas?
125. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2691; Member since: 26 May 2011)
How could they do what they did in the first place without copying various ideas and integrating it into something new?
All technology is built upon that which came before it, even the iPhone. It felt different and was successful because of that. But, to think that they should be allowed to make one great product and then ride that out without having to evolve is absurd. There are limited ways to make certain technologies, so there will be overlap until things evolve.
123. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Why did android have a blackberry form factor before the iPhone release?