Steve Jobs vowed revenge on Eric Schmidt over Android
0. phoneArena 20 Oct 2011, 21:46 posted on
A biography about Steve Jobs, which is scheduled to be released on Monday, apparently tells the story of the falling out between Eric Schmidt and Steve Jobs, and how Jobs vowed revenge...
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14. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
You can hold any view of Jobs you like. He was a genius, but he was also human, and had a hand in some terrible things, the least of which was this supposed vendetta.
16. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
It's hard to argue with the cultural and technological impact of the Mac, iPhone, iPad, iPod, iTunes, and Pixar, all of which were because of Steve. He may have often stolen ideas from others, but he also had a way of making those ideas better, and making them extremely successful in a way no one else did.
18. terabyteRouser (Posts: 454; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
How do you know he is primarily responsible for each the iPhone, iPad, iPod, iTunes and Pixar?
49. terabyteRouser (Posts: 454; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
If you have concluded that Steve Jobs is a genius based on these inventions, I think that is a valid, important question.
54. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
It's a matter of public record that Steve was, if nothing else, a driving force behind all of those things, and especially with Apple products Steve had final word on what was developed, how it was developed, and how it was marketed.
Steve was not a perfect man, and used some business methods that I personally don't agree with, but I would certainly classify him as a genius given his impact on the computer, mobile, music, and animated movie industries.
217. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
did steve ever conceive any of these ideas
19. Anti-Fanboy (Posts: 38; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
yeah people seem to forget if the iphone didnt come into play android would look like a copy of blackberry. Search early versions of android to see what i mean.
21. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Even if true, does that give Jobs the right to go ballistic because another company dared put out a touchscreen dominant smartphone that was easier to use than a Blackberry?
27. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3043; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Exactly, that's why Droid completely destroyed the Storm 2. Everybody wanted the Motorola Droid over the Storm 2 for all the right reasons.
31. Anti-Fanboy (Posts: 38; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
well no it doesnt. Im just saying that iphone DID change the way we look at phones.
37. GoodFella (Posts: 112; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
From the looks of things, on the outside here anyway, it really didn't appear that Jobs went ballistic.
92. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@sniggly. If something means a lot to you, yes. Existing touchscreen phones pre iphone, were nothing like the iphone. Steve was the one responsible in putting touchscreen smartphones as the standard on smartphones. Not Google.
94. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Doesn't mean that Apple gets to be the only company with a touchscreen dominant smartphone out there that's easy to use. It's a silly philosophy that Apple has, that everything must be by them, from them and for them and no one else.
270. Ray386 (Posts: 8; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
no he wasnt he was the first to introduce multi touchscreens to smart phones as the standard
22. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3043; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
And how funny is that now with Blackberry OS looking like Android's....
30. Anti-Fanboy (Posts: 38; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
im pretty sure blackberry doesnt have widgets, multiple homecreens and a notification bar
36. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3043; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Actually it does have a notification bar, one that works similar to Android where you can slide it up and down to view your notifications.
77. iwebdroidberry7 (Posts: 230; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Blackberry had the drop down notification bar FIRST!
183. protozeloz (Posts: 5383; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Nope just a mortification menu on the main screen
128. sethyvball (Posts: 46; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
OMFG! Ahahaha! I just got your profile pic meant. Your a genius mate! XD
28. protozeloz (Posts: 5383; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
I personally doubt it, android might resemble symbian more than bb the problem in that is that when you are building a prototype with little funding you have to go with what you can get, and android was not highly funded until google bought it, so yeah android would be having a touchscreen interface
204. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i only call him a genius because of pixar.
how can anyone not like pixar?
25. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
@ Michael. Very true, I've heard quite a bit and the one about denying his daughter Lisa really made me think different of him. It just you know how when a person dies, you want to remember the good this he has done. But like you said, he's still human.
122. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Terrible things like being head of a company that has:
-used an alleged sweat shop (Foxconn), where 16 people attempted suicide in 2010 because of the working conditions, that has manufactured all iOS devices to date.
-admitted to stealing great ideas, but routinely sues those it sees as having stolen its ideas.
-used draconian censorship in its App Store to the point it wouldn't allow an app that told the story of human rights violations behind the mining for materials used in smartphones.
132. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
You mean the same working conditions that every manufacturer has?
Draconian measures? I believe that app bashed Apple specifically. Why would Apple allow an anti Apple app?
Admitted to stealing ideas?
140. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Those are certainly not conditions that every manufacturer has. There have never been any such claims with Samsung, nor has Nokia, or RIM. And, if there is as big an issue as those reported with Foxconn, most companies in Apple's position would stop using that company, but Apple has continued.
Apple already had the parental controls in place, so it had no reason to go as far as it has with app censorship. And, although Apple has been accused of many of the practices outlined in the game, that app did not bash Apple specifically. It presented uncomfortable truths about the tech industry as a whole.
Yes, Steve Jobs has admitted to stealing ideas, the YouTube clip has been linked a bunch of times in comments.
144. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
So Michael what do you have to say about all the companies below that also do business with Foxconn?
133. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Companies that do business with Foxconn
Foxconn makes consumer electronics for a number of well-known companies, including:
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
Apple Inc. (United States)
Intel (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Dell (United States)
Microsoft (United States)
Motorola (United States)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)
Vizio (United States)
141. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Why is it that when I quote from Wikipedia, it's not a reliable source but when you quote Wikipedia, it's solid proof? You're losing the fight here, I think you should just go to bed and try again tomorrow.
145. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
All right, so remove Nokia from my list. Still no RIM, Samsung, Toshiba, LG, HTC or others.
147. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Microsoft, Motorola who is now owned by google.
Come on do you seriously think Apple is isolated here. Samsung has also had some serious accusations of poor working conditions in their factories
152. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Just because Apple wasn't alone doesn't make the actions right. All of those other companies are just as guilty as Apple of choosing cheap labor over human rights.
Google doesn't own Motorola yet.
205. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
also not every foxconn factory is made nor works the same.
its amazing that you dont hear of mass suicides and jumper nets at the nokia foxconn plant.
115. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Whatever you're a joke. Seriously you don't see a single thing android took from ios? Just like iOS 5 with over 200 new features doesn't have a single useful update?
Dude you're an undercover troll
127. sethyvball (Posts: 46; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
And your not?
AHAHAHA!! Oh how crooked the world turns!
154. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Do you honestly think Apple is prefect and has never done anything dishonest or shady?
159. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
No I don't think that. What I do think is there's a huge double standard and outright lying by android fanboys on this site.
Read every single Apple article and it's non stop bashing. Apple gets bashed for not including featured and also gets bashed when they do include them. They get zero credit for innovation. According to some android has taken not one thing from Apple. When Apple sues they're fascists when they get sued its cheered. When Apple partners have human rights violations it's directly Apple's fault but a blind eye is turned at all the other companies doing he same.
Samsung products look nothing like Apple's??!!
163. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
If you think our coverage of Apple is that bad (which I strongly disagree with), why do you keep coming back? Why not just stick with Apple-only sites that will never say anything bad about Apple?
165. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Besides, there's a big difference between bashing and being honest.
166. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I'm referring to commenters not the site. I think your coverage does have a google angle, but you at least make an attempt to remain objective.
I think the site overall has fair coverage.
200. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Unfortunately, you're gonna come across that anywhere on the Internet. As I've said, fanboys take it as a personal insult when you say bad things about their brands. Couple that with the anonymity of the web, and you have a festering pool of subjective feelings trumping objecting reason every time with little repercussion.
206. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i think most of us have agreed that samsung's app screen looks similar to an iphone app screen with the use of Touchwiz. The SGS1 looked SIMILAR to an iphone 3gs.
But, last i checked neither one of those things were patented things. the entire OS didnt look like an apple device and the entire device itself didnt look like a 3gs.. it just was a rectangle with rounded corners.
Apple gets crap because it is suing for the most vague things that it doesnt really have a right to sue on. Apple openly admitted to stepping on samsung's antenna patents but you have said over n over again that you dont care.
that is a double standard.
207. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
As I've mentioned before, those things don't need to be patented. That's why there are knockoff laws. You can't purposefully design something with the intent of creating confusion in the market. That's why you aren't allowed to sell Prado bags in a store next to the Prada. Samsung can't create an interface that's designed to confuse people into thinking they are getting something that's essentially the same as the iPhone. That's why Samsung recently changed TouchWiz to be rows of 3 apps rather than 4.
225. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
it only looks similar in very specific design aspects. the functionality of it is way different. Besides, the way it is set up was also to show off the new Super Amoled displays in the SGS1. It was meant to be bright and colorful for that effect. So it was more than to just copy apple. The front faces of the phone at the home screen is so incredibly different, that is why I dismiss the knock off laws. If samsung had the phone set up out of the box to just be a list of apps at start up and truely mimick the iphone, my tone would change. Having it be similar on the app screen which isnt a main screen, is not a big deal.
168. UntitleD (Posts: 3; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
@taco50, Which part of Samsung's phone looks like an iPhone? Do you have issue with identifying shapes and sizes?
The fact is, when Apple sued Samsung, their reasons was ridiculous. When MS sued Samsung, and won, they were asking for loyalty fee instead of outright ban. But instead of praising MS for them being less of an asshole compares to Apple, you praise Apple for being noble in the past?
How about this, they(Apple) didn't sue, cause in the past they still thinks they are at the top of the world. But now they are threatened and market share shrunk a bit, so they decided to sue?
169. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Thanks for proving my point blind fanboy
199. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Some of Apple's lawsuits were baseless, but it seems pretty clear that Samsung tried to create a sense of confusion in the market with the TouchWiz interface and other design choices. Samsung knew that early on when consumers went anywhere but AT&T, employees would be helping customers and refer to its Android phones as being "like the iPhone," and it played that up a bit.
As I've said before, it's okay to borrow ideas and features, but it's not okay to create something with the intent of confusing the average customer. I don't think Apple's case against the Galaxy Tab should have gone anywhere, but it seems pretty clear that Samsung was trying to make something that looked like the iPhone with the Galaxy S and especially TouchWiz.
235. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
where did you get that samsung created touchwiz to confuse customers or are you just basing that on your opinions...
271. Ray386 (Posts: 8; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
what did android take from ios5 everything thats new to ios5 is in my droidx which is a year and a half old do your research dude
212. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6812; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Apple ios5 stole from Android notification bar and stole the icloud name.
13. terabyteRouser (Posts: 454; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Considering that Eric was on the board of Apple, it does seem to impact the magnitude of the perception of his actions. If it was some random guy that he never met, I hardly doubt that he would invoke such a violent reaction.
However, I do feel that his willingness to go "thermonuclear war" over touch-screen, cellular devices is psychotic.
34. Anti-Fanboy (Posts: 38; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
In his defense he did patent them. but I think a lot of the patents stifled the advancement of different operation systems.
Think about a class working on individual projects for a certain subject. Using poster board is the most common thing used. Somebody decides to be different and use powerpoint instead. A few people think thats a good idea and switch to that too. The person who orignanly started it says that he copied them and wants them to stop using it. you cant stop creativity like that (and in this case powerpoint is creative lol) and only have one person using it while the rest are forced to use poster board. Jobs was just being a whinny baby IMO
93. Anti-Fanboy (Posts: 38; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
Thanks haha. Im trying to be that one person who fights for all operating systems. I have noticed that when I defend apple I get a lot more dislikes than when I defend android...