Steve Jobs taught President Obama's campaign manager how to use mobile technology
0. phoneArena 15 Jun 2012, 11:38 posted on
Obama campaign manager Jim Messina told Bloomberg that the late Steve Jobs had two meetings iwth him to discuss how the Obama campaign can take advantage of mobile technology in the reelection campaign; Jobs told Messina that content must be kept "interesting and clean"...
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1. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
This should be a good one. I predict a lot of hate on this article.
5. clevername (Posts: 1435; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
What's this? An apple fan and an Android agreeing? What a wonderful thing this democracy is. Bringing together even the most bitter of rivals.
15. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
like normal, your predictions are wrong. let the adults do that.
23. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
when you post you are instigating, so yes, by default, you are correct.
32. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
YOU'RE THE ONLY MOST HATED PERSON ON THIS SITE. U HATE SAMSUNG CAUSE U KEEP SAYING they COPY APPLE. and GUESS WHAT THE JUDGE at least ONE GOOD JUDGE ALLOW SAMSUNG to SELL THE GSIII.
6. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
And Mr. President uses a BLACK BERRY not a iPhone
33. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
It's proably for his daughters or the W.H. staff
9. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
should have taught him how to read the constitution before making political announcements. woopsie.
11. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Do you honestly believe this Harvard law student hasn't read the constitution?
12. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
well... like dealing with taco has taught us..
reading it and having the reading comprehension to understand it are 2 different things. Or maybe he just doesnt care enough to follow it. I realize your a lib, and thats fine.. but whatever your views, what he pulled today was completely unconstitutional and will blow up in his face. He doesn't have the constitutional authority to do what he did today.
Bet money on it.
Between this and his other speaking issues lately like saying the private sector is "doing just fine" and we need to "figure out how to help the government not the private sector", he is pretty much handing the election to Romney. And the polls reflect it.
Thats not a partisan view, thats just calling the game as its happening.
13. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
"What he pulled" today seems to be fair...stop deporting kids to countries they know nothing about until the Dream Act is voted on. Was it unconstitutional when John McCain helped write the bill, or just when president Obama backed it? And what do you think about the jerk that interrupted the president's speech? Wasn't that very disrespectful and unprofessional?
What I think he did today was win a whole lot of latino votes, not all but a lot. It was a very political move I think, because of the timing, but it was the right thing to do none the less. Can you imagine a 22 year old guy fighting in Iraq, loosing a limb, coming back to what he thought was his home only to be told he's being deported because his parent entered the country illegally when he was just days old? Shouldn't someone like that be allowed a chance to stay in the country he loves and fought for, or are we taking a zero tolerance stand on this too?
14. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
1) Mccain is a dumb ass and a rhino republican. dont like the guy
2) when "mccain tried it", he tried it the legal way.. u know, trying to get it passed as a law.. and it failed.. big time. many democrats didnt even vote for it.
3) whether you think its "fair" or the "right thing to do" is not the issue. Its ILLEGAL. The president does not have the authority to proclaim a new law/policy of such nature. The president's job is to sign or not sign bills that are first ratified by the congress and senate, not to unilaterally decide policy and put it into law. Thats what dictators do.
4) the constitution is there to protect us. When you allow politicians to ignore the constitution so completely like what just happened, it will only hurt you in the long run. Again, its not about right or left, good or bad.. its about protecting american citizen's rights from the severe abuses by the government. The ONLY way to do that is to make sure they follow the constitution.
I have no desire to get into a "should have, shouldnt have" argument over the amnesty issue. My concern is with its constitutionality... and the president just wiped his aass with the constitution this afternoon with this move. Leting him or any other president pull such a maneuver isnt just a slippery slope, you might as well be throwing yourself and your rights off the slope.
17. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Okay, you dont like McCain...we agree on something there. But he isn't passing a law, and he verbally acknowledged that he didn't have the power to do so. What he did was STOPPED deportation of productive people who can and would like to contribute to the success of this country. It passed through Congress, but the Senate is so scared of losing AGAIN, they just fold their arms and hold their breath like 2 year olds with every piece of legislation that comes to them. They're willing to make this country you love into another third world country, just to keep more money in rich people's pockets and Obama out of office. -SMH- I don't see how anyone can condone that from the "leaders" of our country, least of all vote for these clowns, but that is their right.
As for the constitution...its a guide! If we were to follow the constitution to the letter, I would still be considered 3/5 of a person. It wasn't meant to be written in stone, that's why there are amendments. Remember the Bill of Rights? Not everything the man does is a threat to the constitution or US citizens. He's doing what he feels is necessary and it's cool for you to disagree, that's your right.
29. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
so, now that 3 million more people are going to be eligible for work in all sectors of the job market now that they are going to have work visas... how do u think that is going to affect actual americans trying to find a job.
where's the middle class at now? hmm. How does that help Bob thats been out of work for 2 years to get a job... its just going to RAISE unemployment.
you need to stop with the propaganda and look around. Obama only talks to rich people. He only hangs with rich people.. hes worth nearly 10 million dollars now.. he has no clue about you nor does he care.
BTW, the constitution is more than a guide.. its the law of the land. its not to be ignored at convenience. there is a ratification clause to get rid of things like 3/5ths vote.. and its gone. that has nothing to do with amnesty.
the bill didnt pass because it didnt pass. the american people overwhelmingly disprove of amnesty.
no where does the president have the power to unilaterally enact his own law. he's turning us in to a 3rd world country. What do you think is going to happen. we are already at 16-20% true unemployment, and he wants to add 800k-3 million + new workers to the job market that are OK with making less no matter what their skill level. Now that they are legal workers they can work in EVERY job field. What do you think thats going to do to wages for the rest of us?? How do u think thats going to affect the job market??
He's purposely HURTING the lower and middle class while extending his arms and saying he's helping it. The more desperate you are the more lock step with whatever he says you will be. Point blank truth.
44. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Lol, my gosh man, where to begin?
First off, there are currently about 350,000 pending cases right now, the 3 MILLION estimate is a tad bit inflated.
"Let me be perfectly clear. This is not amnesty we're talking about". President Obama's own words. Not that you would ever believe anything he says, but these are directly from the top man.
He's the only president in a DECADE to actually add jobs, yet he's the one turning this into a third world country. Many economist talk about the dangers when there is a huge concentration on wealth at the top, yet republicans still want to cut more taxes for the rich while increasing yours and mine. What's the matter with Kansas indeed! People have been coming to and working in this country for many many years before this announcement. You know this only effects people who lived here all their lives and didn't know their true status. But you are going to believe what you're going to believe so I won't push that issue.
31. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
btw, if you would look at fact instead of propaganda.. look at the left and look at the right. There are far more millionaires and billionaires on the left than there are on the right. Yet they are the ones that try to convince you that they care about you.. the little guy. Neither side cares about you. they only care about consolodating their base of power. Didnt you ever wonder why more super rich people say they are democrat? Whats in it for THEM? If they were really anything like they claim to be, then they would be giving you all their money. Yet they only find ways to keep more of it while sticking you with the bill. How did they get to be billionaires? It wasnt by HELPING the little guy get a leg up.
This illegal and unconstitutional move was a desperation attempt for obama to get some additional support from the hispanic community at a cost to all american citizens. Again, hes hurting US to help HIM. There is no benefit what so ever to you or I or any other american citizen. And since Obama put a nice timetable on when his illegal initiative is going to start, that gives plenty of families plenty of time to jump the border and claim they were here since 2007. Their illegal. They have no paperwork to prove one way or another. So.. what.. we take everyone at their word? And when he gives the teens immunity, what do u think he's going to do with the families? deport them? No.. he's just going to conveniently ignore their existence. Amnesty. Illegal, unconstitutional, amnesty.
All at the expense of American citizens during one of the worst economic times in 100 years. Why? To try to get reelected. He is losing his base, he is losing women, he is losing the swing voters. He is hoping this move shores up the hispanic vote to make up for some of the other losses.
Again, this is not about left or right.. this is whats going on... and it affects all of us.
45. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
PoIititions generally don't care about anyone but themselves, that includes republican politicians and their constituents too. I'm not some 18 year old kid who just voted for the first time, I've actually lived a little bit and I see how both parties have screwed us all. But I've also seen how the republican party move so far to the right that their greatest hero, Ronald Reagen, could never pass the new tea-publican party's litmans test as a true republican.
Obama isn't perfect, but he is by far a much better president than Mitt Romney or anyone else on the right could ever dream to be. He got my vote because I believe he would do what right for the country and not just for the rich. I don't believe all rich people are evil either, so I don't care about their affiliation. All I care about is if they pay their fare share of taxes. Why should I pay a higher tax then they? Can you give me an honest answer for that?
48. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you will never pay more taxes than a rich person. if you mean a higher %, U need to talk to your buddy obama. This is why I was NOT trying to have a political debate with you, and was just talking about the legality of what he did. Your a die hard liberal, i get it. I knew that going into this, which is why I didnt want to debate you.
so far you've mentioned such gems as "the constitution is a guide" (its most definitely not) "its right out of the big guys mouth" (which is funny because not even a year ago he was saying how what he just pulled was illegal and impossible), gone of off propaganda rants multiple times, and more.
I dont want to debate you about politics. Its pointless.
regan? no, hes part of the reason that the party went so far right to the arms of the religious nutjobs. I'm sorry you hate a wing of the party, the TeaParty, that wants to get rid of income taxes or make them even across the board. my god.. actual fairness.. its horrible. how dare we not punish people for making more money than the janitor!
35. Immolate (Posts: 309; Member since: 17 Jun 2011)
"Okay, you dont like McCain...we agree on something there."
I didn't like McCain either. When is the last time we had a president who came from the Senate that was worth having? Presidents need to be leaders. They don't have the luxury of hiding behind consensus.
"But he isn't passing a law, and he verbally acknowledged that he didn't have the power to do so. What he did was STOPPED deportation of productive people who can and would like to contribute to the success of this country."
As the leader of the executive branch, Obama is responsible for enforcing the law. But I agree that the President has the latitude to chose how to prioritize resources except where laws are specific, which they seldom are. Choosing not to expend federal funds to deport illegal aliens is a valid choice, in my opinion.
"It passed through Congress, but the Senate is so scared of losing AGAIN, they just fold their arms and hold their breath like 2 year olds with every piece of legislation that comes to them. They're willing to make this country you love into another third world country, just to keep more money in rich people's pockets and Obama out of office. -SMH- I don't see how anyone can condone that from the "leaders" of our country, least of all vote for these clowns, but that is their right."
Nice screed. People won't read it unless you start sending letter bombs to folks you don't like.
}As for the constitution...its a guide! If we were to follow the constitution to the letter, I would still be considered 3/5 of a person. It wasn't meant to be written in stone, that's why there are amendments. Remember the Bill of Rights? Not everything the man does is a threat to the constitution or US citizens. He's doing what he feels is necessary and it's cool for you to disagree, that's your right."
It is not a guide. Such news would surprise the Supreme Court, a co-equal branch of government. It isn't written in stone. It provides a process for amendment, and there have been many amendments offered, and many ratified. However, that does not mean it can be ignored when inconvenient.
The problem with what Obama did was not that he chose to not enforce the law. It is that he chose to contravene the law by providing work permits to illegal aliens. Now your cheaply emotional hypothetical can be an American soldier missing a leg from Afghanistan who is told he can't have a job because it was given to an illegal alien who, five years prior showed contempt for the laws of the United States by crossing the border illegally. See how easy it is to construct a ridiculous scenario that doesn't apply to 99.9% of the cases?
Of course this move was brazenly political. Everything President "perpetual campaign" does is done with an eye to the next election or as a payoff for the last.The next seven months can't pass quickly enough.
43. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Much of what you said was very palatable although I may not agree. But the American solider being turned away from a job because there was a more qualified "illegal alien" was quite the stretch and even more "cheaply emotion" and far less feasible than the scenario that I gave. I live here too ya know and I have to fight for jobs just as hard, if not harder than anyone else. The people he's not deporting aren't people who came here with intent to take your job. He's talking about young people brought here by their parents, who grew up here, and some who had no idea that they were not US citizens. Can you imagine being deported to a land you have no knowledge of, not knowing the customs or language and no means of supporting yourself? Call it hypothetical if you like, but this happens more than you may want to believe.
25. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
"McCain is a dumbass"
See statements like this make you look like the dumbass. McCain has accomplished more than you could ever dream of. Armchair quarterbacking and attacking and insulting people doesn't make you smart or right. It just makes your arguments look like garbage.
Phone arena readership
36. Immolate (Posts: 309; Member since: 17 Jun 2011)
"See statements like this make you look like the dumbass. McCain has accomplished more than you could ever dream of. Armchair quarterbacking and attacking and insulting people doesn't make you smart or right. It just makes your arguments look like garbage. "
Agree with Taco here (go figure). McCain may not have made a great president, but he is a moral and decent man, and a true war hero who suffered greatly for his fellow soldiers. He has reached a pinnacle of accomplishment that few ever come close to. I also think he would have made far less of a dog's dinner out of our national debt than the current President has done.
38. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i agree with you that he would have made slightly less of a mess than obama.. but not by much. our choice was a die hard liberal and a man so worried about being liked by liberals he might as well be one. some of the biggest pieces of bad legislation from "the right" have McCain's name on it. Though a big difference is when its time to roll up your sleeves and make a hard choice, mccain would do it, where obama wouldnt touch it without positive political implications.
Calling him a dumbass has nothing to do with his history or accomplishments, which there are quite a few, and everything to do with what he does in the senate. McCain has given quite a lot for freedom and has shown his valor, which is more than Obama will ever do.
19. darkkjedii (Posts: 17534; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
He comprehended enough to b president. What's ur job title?
20. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Remix is a middle aged entry level sales rep.
26. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
which if that were true, would be a lot more than your middle aged butt still living in mommy's basement. dont you have your mcdonalds job to go to this morning?
34. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
and you're one OBESSED FANBOY that hates everything that you think Android copied.
27. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
can you show me where in the application it stays you need to comprehend the constitution please?
22. cellphonator (Posts: 298; Member since: 29 Oct 2011)
What do you expect from a President that once said clearly that he wished to had the power to skip the Congress and change things immediately. He has a record of executive orders like no other President in the past. That surely is "change".
16. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
It's sad I think deep down remix knows he doesn't know what he's talking about, but his defense mechanism is to blindly believe his predetermined ideas. He only cares to learn things that support his views.
24. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
huh, what you posted describes you to a tee....
28. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol in normally does ND... it normally does.
18. SGSatlantis (Posts: 222; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)
Please leave the politics out, and how is this "news"!?
10. roscuthiii (Posts: 2005; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
You've got to hand it to Steve Jobs, even in death his name is still used as a marketing tool.
21. _PHug_ (Posts: 432; Member since: 11 Oct 2011)
Yeah and I taught my mom how to text.
No one is writing a story about it
37. Immolate (Posts: 309; Member since: 17 Jun 2011)
The Obama campaign is stuck in 2008 mode so far. I'm not sure any dead one-percenters are going to have the power to change that. Obama said that you could put Romney's campaign in a tweet and have characters to spare. No amount of tweets could convey the message of Obama's campaign.
An incumbent President runs on his record. Steve Jobs can't fix that for you.
39. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the fact that he is STILL blaming Bush is just funny. Really... your record is so bad, you want to still want to blame everyone else? Leaders dont blame everyone, they get down n get it done. Like Bush or not, you never heard him blaming clinton over n over again for the dot com bust that lead to his first year's recession... he just tried to fix it... hence, the bush tax cuts, which had we not had 9/11 would have lead us even farther into years of prosperity. Its part luck what you get stuck with as president, but mostly action. Obama is a man of speeches and positioning.. not of action.
40. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Remix share with us one thing you think Obama has done well during his presidency.
42. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
honest opinion? he stood up for gaay rights. even though it was completely political, it was constitutional and the right thing to do.
what about you moron? tell me how well your paying attention.
47. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
If he runs on his record, Obama will win in a landslide! Romney has a horrible record as governor and has been wrong with every opinion he had about the economy, the banks and the auto industry.
"Let Detroit fail!" Does he have any idea what that would have done to this country? And THIS is the guy the right wants to be president?!? SMH.
49. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol. you are sooo misguided politically its not funny.
52. Immolate (Posts: 309; Member since: 17 Jun 2011)
This is why we have elections. Partisans on both sides of the aisle tend to be blinded by their party affiliation to the actual performance of their incumbant. The electorate is not so encumbered, and are can be counted on to react viscerally to their personal experience.
Many people believe that a company that is poorly managed should be forced to go through bankruptcy if they fail, which protects the rights of the stakeholders and cuts away the rot. When you fail to hold corporations accountable for their failures, you accelerate and deepen their next failure at great cost to the taxpayer, and deprive potential new players the opportunity of entering the market.
Propping up failed companies with future debt is the worst of both worlds. First, you keep the bloated, inefficient company. Second, you guarantee austerity and suffering to future generations, along with retirement-killing inflation to current workers.
GM and Chrysler were rescued for the unions. Had they failed, they would have emerged leaner, with less debt and more-realistic compensation packages, and there would have been new, hungry competition added to the mix to fill the vacuum.
53. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
part of the reason I wont buy a GM. union kickbacks from helping get obama in office got them bailed out. They need to go bankrupt really badly. Had they done that they would be in a much much better position than they are now, which would lead to job growth.. and all without costing the tax payers a dime. Short sighted knee jerk reactions like "we must not let X fall!" cost us much more in the long term than they ever save in the short term.
There is no such thing as "too big to fail" or "too important to fail". Industrys and jobs come and go. GM made a lot of bad mistakes that put it in such a position to begin with. Think about the logic of being the worlds largest (or 2nd largest depending on the year) car manufacturer.. and being in financial trouble. What mountainslide of bad decisions got them there? The biggest hurdle GM needed to cross was getting out from under the death grip of the unions that were choking it. The only way to do that was go bankrupt. Obama not only stopped that from happening, he also put the unions in charge of the company. The fox in the hen house so to speak. What a horrible mistake that is going to be for the long term growth of the sector.
With the money GM would have saved by shedding its huge weights and getting out of the caddilac plans it is forced to pay to union members, it could have added hundreds and thousands of jobs while still saving money.. .and again, without costing the american people a dime.
Let the free market do its job. It does it better than any government official ever will.
41. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Good advertising for apple. Get the government to use Apple products especially related to Obama and the rest will follow. Reminds me of the sheep thing.
46. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I loved Obama's analogy about running up the tab and them blaming the next guy. That's exactly what the republicans do. They wanna say he's blaming Bush for our economy like it's wrong. But that's what happend people. You can't start two wars, ship jobs overseas, cut taxes for the rich, deregulate the banks, block every job building bill, sware not to do anything to help this president/this country and then wonder why this president isn't able to fix the mess you created.
Meanwhile, republicans are taking people's collective bargining rights, cutting laws to protect women, taking away people's right to vote, making vaginal probes mandatory, cutting education funding, non-profit funding, forming death panals in the form of voucher programs, protecting George Zimmerman's right to kill any child who dares walk around in the open with Skittles and Iced Tea...man I can do this all night! But the thing is those on the right don't see a problem with any of this and they probably never will. But the thing is you can't convience the rest of us that this stuff is okay. This is the real reason why you never get our votes, not because we think the Dems are perfect. They are and just the lesser of two evils. I don't like the chicken pox, but it much better than having terminal cancer. (Hint: The Republican party is the cancer)
50. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i dont think you said a single thing of fact in that extreme left wing rant there. lots of propaganda.. not a whole lot of fact. you need to quit eating liber-o's for breakfast every morning.
51. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
The truth is I would rather see Jesse Ventura in office more than anything but you like putting me in the liberal box so that's fine. Kinda how iOS fans labeled me an Android fan way back when I was rockin' my Stom 2. But I had no intention on upsetting you, youre still my buddy. So with all things political, let's just agree to disagree
54. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lolol. Jesse used to be interesting. He's no longer independent though. He's pretty solidly in the liberal category with but a few policy exceptions.
You didnt upset me. I was trying to avoid a political conversation from the start. I know where we both stand, so there isnt much point in arguing over it. :)
hey.. dont tell taco you liked your storm. he thinks its impossible. :)