Stephen Elop says dual-, quad-core phones just waste battery life
0. phoneArena 14 Mar 2012, 09:55 posted on
Nokia’s CEO Stephen Elop faces the tough task to break the Android-iOS smartphone duopoly, and if it could be done with words, these would have been the ones…
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1. azri05 (unregistered)
21. GENRAL.LEVY (banned) (Posts: 59; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
How the hell or who employed u
theres a thing called 32nm 28nm
u stupid uneducated uncivalized
50. cheetah2k (Posts: 772; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)
Stephen Elop is a waste of Battery Life.....
25. Medel (Posts: 84; Member since: 31 May 2011)
Vote Damian Dinning for President! i'm just saying. :-)
34. torr310 (Posts: 350; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Elop, talking any nonsense before you have done better makes you stupid.
Single core on Nokia didn't outlast dual-core handsets from your competitor. You are crazy and pathetic.
36. shy2papa (Posts: 202; Member since: 23 Jan 2010)
Seriously no offence to nokia fans but for there CEO to say that Nokia is seriously screwed,
Look at what motorola did to the droid maxx giving it the best battery of any smartphone to date, if samsung had did that to the GS2 and other samsung smartphones and HTC had done that to the HTC Amaze and other HTC phones there phone would have sold more then they did today.
37. Skoll (Posts: 15; Member since: 15 Dec 2011)
i am a nokia fan and all i can say is: mr. elop GTFO! think before you speek!
49. bayusuputra (Posts: 941; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
yeah! can the board at Nokia actually fire him? he's been a pain in the backside, not only for Nokia's developments, but for customers as well..
shame on you, Elop..
41. jove39 (Posts: 1260; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Hold on...before showering such words of @#$%^...Elop is talking about Nokia Smartphones (Windows/Symbian) only...and I agree with him...ROFL
2. robocopvn (Posts: 175; Member since: 10 Mar 2010)
Losing can make someone crazy, here is the great example !
40. kanagadeepan (Posts: 638; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
Well said bro... Let this Trojan horse from M$ --> Nokia promise that they are NOT releasing dual and quad core phones in future... Short FOX saying GRAPES ARE SOUR...
He is too crazy and may even say "MULTI-TASKING is hazardous to battery life"...
3. Evil_SaNz (Posts: 258; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Depends, nvidia's companion core idea is quite cute
66. deacz (Posts: 148; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)
its also utterly useless for anything other than browsing the home screens.
watch a flash movie on the browser and I'll have to put my prime into burn mode
I really good and fast single or dual core ftw, ie s4.
quad cores are for gaming
4. danwatson (Posts: 102; Member since: 03 Jan 2012)
Apple would never have switched to dual core processors and quad core graphics if there were no benefits.
7. evolutionqy7 (Posts: 38; Member since: 27 May 2011)
and the battery life on the 4S decreased thanks to that...
Idk having owned the Galaxy S2 and the Sensation i can say my Titan is as fast as the S2, but smoother. Miles ahead of the Sensation in terms of speed and smoothness.
When your using a windows phone you forget that such thing as choppy scrolling exist.
9. kshell1 (Posts: 1143; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
yep you also forget about true multitasking, 1080p video, great games, high resolution screens (need a better processor to push all those pixels), and there has yet to be a great camera on windows phone
14. ChiX017 (Posts: 308; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
and thats coming this year....i guess Mr. Elop is just praising his new found love/destiny
we can't blame him for that.
16. andro. (Posts: 1936; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Windows phone much criticised square block menu ui system is akin to the commodore 64 era graphically and as such the processor doesn't really need much to keep it running smoothly
5. jwescampbell (Posts: 2; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
it's no secret that multi-core processors help computers run better. So why would the same not be true for smartphones? Yes the operating system has to support it, but every mobile operating system that is using multi-cores, utilizes them.
39. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if every dual core didnt get better battery life than the S2 Crapdragon used in most windows phones, he would almost have a point. As it stands he is completely wrong, and either doesnt know a darn thing about how chips work or is hoping that the rest of the world doesnt.
8. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)
it actually depends on the OS itself, Android is a one heavy OS and definitely needs multi cores.. unlike WP7, single core is already perfect for it.. we just don't know what a single core processor could do when the WP8 comes..
10. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)
I android wouldn't have gone Dual-Core Apple wouldn't have gone either.
12. andro. (Posts: 1936; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
Well Mr Elop the pile of unsold windows phones we have in our stores are a waste of money for us while dual core android are selling very well,hmmmm
13. hepresearch (unregistered)
Silly Elop... baseless rhetoric is for kids!
15. downphoenix (Posts: 2285; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
Just a justification to continue making outdated phones as Nokia has been doing for the past few years. Good job, its killing your marketshare.
17. victo410 (Posts: 16; Member since: 20 Jan 2012)
Hummm, Windows Phone run really good on single core because is well optimized.
But the Only reason that (windows phone/ nokia) don't use and hate on Dual / Quad-core is Production Cost,, But he know more than nobody that dual/quad-core are necessary today in mobile smartphone.. He was boring without nothing to say and said this non-sense comment.
18. mike2959 (Posts: 208; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)
CEO of RIM also said 8 years ago that music and video is a silly concept on a phone. That has served them well.
19. GENRAL.LEVY (banned) (Posts: 59; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
U should be kicket out from nokia
useless good for nothing old agr pensioner
20. GENRAL.LEVY (banned) (Posts: 59; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)
Ur a bad name for the company
ur taking nokia down instead ov progressing
24. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)
Once Microsoft acquires Nokia we'll be seeing dual and quad core windows phones in no time. Elop is only there to plunge Nokia's stock to nothing so Microsoft can buy it for pennies on the dollar.
26. speckledapple (Posts: 877; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
dual core processors are similar to what was done with 3g and 4g. 3G battery life was gained over the many years the tech was available and improved upon. 4G in ints current form is a battery hog for any device its connected to. It wil take time to integrate 4G into one radio and optimize the tech to reduce battery life. Once that is done, 4G battery life will be better and more efficient. Basically, the same applies to processors. Although there are significant differences between 23nm versus 40nm, battery life is becoming more important than the number of cores.
Apple probably added dual cores because their OS required the extra boost as they added more features. Windows will probably do the same eventually but I would love to see them focus more on the battery life side of things than anything else. That kind of focus is what will win moving forward. New tech is great, I for one love new tech but using it for extended periods of time is very important as well.
65. haseebzahid (Posts: 1812; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
if u want it better it has to be bigger and bigger like galaxy Nexus had latter got the option of extended battery of ~2300mah i think and it looks really big fat ugly thing if u use that battery.
28. haseebzahid (Posts: 1812; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
Dual core started just because one made a dual core moblie and others started copying "ow he made a dual core hmm i wonder perhaps it improve this pathetic Android OS lets copy " next thing all Android are Dual cores and Apple has no other option not to copy because noob people think moblie goes fast with multicore just like a PC but they forget that single core PC uses 250Watt supply and quad core requires 450+ watts supply and same goes with moblie and this is what Elop said in this post unless u all are blind to get to the point i had to post this long long post :P
58. tedkord (Posts: 4432; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
You may want to study up a bit before talking. Even on PCs, the newest quad core Intel processors use less juice than a Pentium 2 of a decade ago. PCs use more due to the other peripherals - massive graphics cards to push HD video, 30 USB ports, HD sound card, etc...
64. haseebzahid (Posts: 1812; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
i don't need to study this is my field so stop telling me what companies say i know better. if that is the case old mobiles used hardly 200-800mah batteries and now all smartphones uses 1300+ and dual core requires even more and don't run longer than 2 days hardly where is the energy efficiency in that if you want to read and believe its your problem,and go check out if old 250 watt supplies work with stock corei5 or i7 systems it will go down in a day it is always minimum for them to use 450watts regardless of Gfx cards or other things get facts right not just theory.
29. -RVM- (Posts: 329; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)
Funny thing is that Windows Phone was actually "smoked" in it's own game by Nokia 808 PureView prototype, based on "dead" Symbian... http://tinyurl.com/82vmgmt
30. alfadolla (Posts: 28; Member since: 14 Mar 2011)
Wow.... Nokia CEO has jumped the shark with this one! Did he actually see the Smoked by Windows Phone campaign, the guys windows phone is not actually faster but happen too have pre determined points and location pinned too his phone home screen! that is how he beats the other phones.. I have a windows phone & Andriod phone and the windows phone is very slow compared to my Evo 3D. It's like taking a test and having all the answers given too you before you start.
35. snowgator (Posts: 3197; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
That was kind of the point of the whole campaign. WP was designed to get to social networking sites, find places to eat, sleep watch movies, get to your emails, get to searching the web, and all kinds of everyday activities faster and with less hassle. Neither iPhone or Android has really made these things easier. Sure, there were shortcuts. WP is designed that way, and that is the hook they are selling.
Not an Anti-Android or anti-iPhone comment, just stating one of the major design advantages to WP.
59. tedkord (Posts: 4432; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Well, I can put any shortcut I want on my Android device homescreen. In fact, I can access any 4 commonly used apps or shortcuts I wish directly from my lockscreen. If I knew ahead of time what needed accessing, I could set up my phone to have them all at a single touch, too.
31. snowgator (Posts: 3197; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
WP should have released 2nd gen devices with dual core. Period, end of story. I love me some WP, but Apollo will use dual core tech, Hi res screens, and all the fun toys that consumers enjoy in their top end devices. By not including dual core, it provides sales reps, tech sites, and all those placards beneath the phones in the huge electronic stores in the world with reason to belittle WP devices. Is the performance of any current WP behind on any Android or the iPhone? Nope. But, WP does not have the built in consumer base that those two have. Heck, WP does smoke Blackberry in every catagory of performance and they are having no luck catching them. The dual core would not have hurt, and would have helped them look up to tech with the big boys.
As for Mr. Elop, what did you expect him to say? If you do not have it, talk it down and pump up yours. He himself said right after Nokia World "WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE OUR PHONES ON APOLLO!!!" Bet those dual core processors are great in Q4 of this year.....
32. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)
Elop need some serious training from Microsoft
38. MickDM (Posts: 63; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)
vh, from elop's point of view he is absolutely correct... his company's lumia line is both snappy & frugal on battery consumption... all with only single core processing... in fact, when compared to other top smartphones, it not only holds its own, but, more times than not, beats the multicore models in speed tests... again, with only single core technology and outstanding battery life... ijs :)
42. gammaSharma (Posts: 33; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)
Is He Stupid or something. It has been proven "Mathematically" that dual core eats up less juice than single ones. Ask Seldon.
43. Stuntman (Posts: 711; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
"The bold statement of Nokia’s head is “proved” by the Smoked by Windows Phone campaign, where random users with iPhones and Androids try to do something with their phones and end up doing it slower than it’s done on Nokia Windows Phones. Nokia offered $160 to people that can beat their Windows Phone devices in the challenge and reportedly it never lost." -- from this article.
I'm afraid you are mistaken. I watched the Smoked by WP campaign videos and read the articles. WP did lose twice. Get your facts straight.
People taking the challenge are at a disadvantage. The reason is the person with the WP likely knew what the challenges were while the people who took the challenges did not before hand. It's an unfair challenge.
46. snowgator (Posts: 3197; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Again, totally disagree. At every challenge, there was a posted list what the challenges were. So every user had a chance to look over the challenges before agreeing. And as I pointed out earlier, these aren't challenges that are unique to WP. They are everyday functions that all smartphones should be doing. It is a challenge design to show how quick and easy it is to do what people love to do on a Windows Phone. It is a great advertising idea.
However, you are right. They have continued to do these challenges out on the road since they started, and they have lost from time to time in these challenges.
62. Stuntman (Posts: 711; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
I wasn't aware of the posted list. Do you know where I can find it? I wasn't able to Google it. I'd like to know what those challenges are.
44. Whateverman (Posts: 3187; Member since: 17 May 2009)
How about everyone at Nokia and Microsoft just shut up with the stupid comments until they put out a product that people really want to buy!
45. Dujai R. (Posts: 17; Member since: 12 Oct 2009)
But If You Look Closely, LeBron Traveled.................
47. Leo_MC (Posts: 487; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
The last comment on Facebook needed 6 cores to be posted, 3 cores were used to send a mail, 2 for a sms, 1 core to play my ringtone and the last core to write this reply...
48. bayusuputra (Posts: 941; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
"3 cores were used to send a mail, 2 for a sms, 1 core to play my ringtone and the last core to write this reply..."
that means seven?
3+2+1+last core(which is another 1 core)?
67. Leo_MC (Posts: 487; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
Without 150,479 cores a phone is useless.
It doesn't matter that one use it to post crap on Facebook, "oh, it's not 150k cores, it's a piece of shi*t!"
51. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
May God help Nokia! Elop, you've just created more enemies than friends and fooked up the whole WP campaign.
52. RiseAgainst94 (Posts: 271; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)
Before we start hating too much, dual cores are only good for so much as of right now. Namely high end games and the ability for 1080p video recording. The fact that Windows' strictly single-core line up is faster in almost every way to it's competition is something to be said. But yes, Windows WILL need dual core processors and don't think that Nokia won't release one when Apollo comes out.
53. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2938; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Wow once again this moron is talking out of his ass.