Stephen Elop: "Now, we're one Microsoft" - read the full open letter here
0. phoneArena 25 Apr 2014, 09:21 posted on
April 25, 2014 will remain in history as the day when Nokia's Devices & Services division officially became part of Microsoft. The legendary phone maker was to be acquired by the software giant for about $7.2 billion, but due to some last-minute price adjustments, estimations are that the transfer will cost $7.5 billion...
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1. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2007; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
Nokia will rise, with or without MS. But Apple will still lead within the next 5 years.
2. nokia12 (Posts: 463; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
yeah Mr.flop you and microsoft have been one from 2008 .. you never left Microsoft
20. ScottSchneider (Posts: 334; Member since: 06 Dec 2011)
Wow... finally the trojen horse speaks... naaaiceee.....
39. Charlie_boy (Posts: 69; Member since: 04 Jan 2013)
Elop forgot two words for his closing salutation:
27. sgodsell (Posts: 3046; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
What kills me is when Elop left Microsoft, then within the same month he went to Nokia as the CEO to control and run the Nokia company. Its amazing that soon after Microsoft was kicking in 250 million per quarter to Nokia. Out sourcing symbian and killing off all Linux projects and devices.
Its ironic because Microsoft thought people would flock to their closed restricted WP platform. No one is making money from WP including Microsoft. I guess that's why Microsoft and Nokia released an Android type phone in 2014, since WP is not doing the job.
34. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 2232; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)
That "android type of phone" was a huge failure,, goes to show you, that android OS on Nokia phones, don't match.. Nokia will be in better hand$ with Microsoft... Just my opinion
37. PBXtech (Posts: 1032; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)
That "android type of phone" has barely been in the market. Give it some time before writing it off as a failure.
42. nokia12 (Posts: 463; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
and "that android phone" is not even android..
its a wannabe WP phone that can run android apps.. Nokia N9 is a true nokia + android device
44. sgodsell (Posts: 3046; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
Microsoft is completely behind it. They are using the Android name and OS to push Microsoft's services and apps. That's why there is no Google apps or services on the 3 Nokia X Android phones, and they support dual Sims, on screen buttons and cortex-A5/A7. All of which WP could not support until WP8.1, which will be released to the public in June 2014. A billion Android phone are going to be sold in 2014 alone. That's even before Nokia X devices were released in February 2014. Why do you think the project name for Nokia X was call project Normandy. Microsoft and Nokia wants to stem the flow of people buying Android devices with Google's services, especially in emerging markets. Because once users start using Android, then Microsoft is afraid that the users will never use their apps or services. The problem is Microsoft's total control over the software and hardware came back and bit them in the butt, especially since WP only supports Qualcomm Arm CPUs. Android was the only solution. Android already has Microsoft's apps and services, not to mention supports every CPU known to man.
3. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
Job done.... mission accomplished, now come back elop (statement from Microsoft)
4. akki20892 (Posts: 3899; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
Waiting for 2016.....New era will start.
7. hunted (Posts: 403; Member since: 21 Sep 2011)
Will Nokia continue making phones from 2016 with the any OS like android/windows? Just curious
17. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
I mailed Risto Siilasmaa, asking him if Nokia will be back making devices in 2016. No reply.
22. dratomic (Posts: 483; Member since: 09 Oct 2013)
no it wont. just look at what happened to motorola. history repeats. someday todays giants will go down.
10. adecvat (Posts: 242; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
And still live
5. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 2232; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)
Good!! Nokia stay's with windows phone, bring on tha goodness
6. dontneedtoknow (Posts: 158; Member since: 17 Feb 2014)
I think this is good because Nokia and Microsoft can work closer to offer a great device! I probably won't switch to wp unless someone gives me one for free. I just want to see competition.
18. corporateJP (Posts: 2431; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
I give it a year, maybe two, until the remainder of Nokia employees that were incorperated by Microsoft are gone. Mark my words.
43. nokia12 (Posts: 463; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
most of the great employees have already left in these 3 years.. and been slowly replaced by Microsoft employees
8. shuaibhere (Posts: 1983; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
This guy has been waiting for this moment for 3 years...
Damn he killed meego....
Hate this guy...
15. shuaibhere (Posts: 1983; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
May be for WP fanatics....
Meego is the best thing happened to nokia....
It has potential to take on IOS as android had....
If Meego was not discontinued WP wouldn't have stand a chance..
23. elitewolverine (Posts: 4991; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Meego was not discontinued technically. Intel was helping, if meego was so awesome...intel the biggest of the chip players, didnt get it a go. Now intel and Samsung have forked meego into Tizen.
Meego was 'promising' but it faces the same hurdle MS faces. 2010 entry into a 3yr balloon of smartphones in which Apple and Samsung rose from.
Betting on meego or MS was a bet, there is no guarantee meego would have came to much no matter how awesome it was. And Nokia had simply no Cash to fund their own OS anymore.
24. shuaibhere (Posts: 1983; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Intel never let meego.it was elop who did...
With the back up from NOKIA meego would have done much better than WP..you know... everyone was(aware of meego) interested in meego at the time when it released...
Can you say that for WP???
31. elitewolverine (Posts: 4991; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
shuaibhere, you have no idea the disaster meego was for Nokia.
Maemo was started in 05 by nokia, 05!. Count them 5 years of a smartphone platform that got what done?
It was named MeeGo in 2010. There was so much internal conflict between symbian and Maemo that months were spent for nothing. Then when Intel came on, things were worse imo and others as well.
Again symbian and meego hit heads, the UI went through so many changes that months were spent on UI changes that were being written from the ground up, waisting time and money. The dev tools they were using were a mess for them as well, incompatible between teams, causing more time and strife.
When Elop came onboard you know how many working MeeGo phones Nokia had to show after 5years of development? 0
Experts from another blog about the death of MeeGo
"In addition to tens of their own people they hired consultants from outside of Nokia. As a result a decision was made that the combination of Symbian and MeeGo was not sufficient for a succesful long term strategy.
In the United States AT&T would have agreed to sell N9, although hardware vice it was considered outdated compared to its Android rivals. Apparently another version of N9 was in development for Verizon, codenamed RM-716. Even if N9 would have been released in North America in 2011, Nokia could not have had a successor with LTE support to offer for a long time in the fast paced smartphone market.
During the analysis the MeeGo team didn’t have any device that could have been shown to Elop or the Nokia Board of directors that would certainly have been available for the winter holiday season of 2010."
This was the expert of a interview of 10 ex-meego workers that worked on the project.
When Nokia went with MS, you know how long it took to bring a phone to market? less than a year.
6 years of Maemo/MeeGo and the only MeeGo phone was a none LTE device.
36. picka_vi_materina (Posts: 174; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
Sorry, but the first WP device was the American N9 version with a Qualcomm SoC. Why do you think they got WP working fast? It was because of Qualcomm compatibility with WP. There was no device change. N9 was released before any WP device. Do you think they couldn't just port the OS to new hardware such as the Lumia 900, 1020, 920, etc? The guys doing Jolla now are ex-MeeGo developers. They need a day to port to new hardware. If N9 had the support from Nokia as much as it had from the whole world, Nokia would have still been alive, strong and individual.
46. elitewolverine (Posts: 4991; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
So your saying...a win os that was already ready, was able to hitch a ride along the N9 because of QUALCOMM. That within less than a year, switching to an entirely NEW OS platform was done so quickly was because of just QUALCOMM or was it because windows had a working OS?
It is because windows had a working OS, it was because after 6yrs in development their ground up OS was behind, they had 1 device to show for it. No LTE, the device drivers etc hadn't even been worked on yet in the MEEGO and was known that one wouldn't be out for awhile.
From the whole world? you mean where Nokia couldn't even get major companies to license MeeGo? Companies like Samsung walked away from it and was the reason Nokia ended up selling it.
They had 6 years! MeeGo was not an over night project, it wasn't ready. When Elop joined, they didn't even have a device to show them.
Jolla released their 400+ device, and it doesn't have LTE? The reviews have stated promise but with a few bugs and android app support "It's a work in progress, and we found that Android apps were a bit unstable at times. A couple of nasty crashes did take place."
and as simple as a day to port? "It's a work in progress, which requires a lot of optimising for different devices, but we got to try it out on a few different third-party phones and the experience was just like on the Jolla phone, though a little more buggy."
I am not knocking Jolla just that your perception that MeeGo was some amazing OS, it was in a bad state, not one that the company of a failing brand like Nokia would want to tackle. They were free from their bonds of developing and maintaining and OS and app market, MS gave them this freedom. Would android have? Sure but like Moto, who would have bought them and then stripped them if/when droid didn't pan out.
19. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
If its trash, WP must be worse than trash.
9. imnotascammer (Posts: 160; Member since: 22 Aug 2012)
I still cant believe that WhatsApp costs more than double than Nokia.. :(
51. Deaconclgi (Posts: 405; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
Maybe because Microsoft didnt buy Nokia? Stop believing the lies that Ray and other dumb writers are writing. Microsoft bought the Devices and Services business from Nokia which is totally DIFFERENT from actually buying Nokia, which would cost MORE.
Really, Ray, you are a lousy writer and should be ashamed for continuously misleading readers.
14. Diego! (Posts: 549; Member since: 15 Jun 2009)
Quoting: 'Now, we are one Microsoft'. Yes you motherf--- Trojan Horse! You destroyed Nokia in order to sell it to MSFT. I'm glad you're not the CEO of Microsoft. That would have been Doomsday. Anyway, maybe in 10 years from now, we will see new Nokia devices made by Nokia itself. I will miss a Pure-Nokia cellphone in my hands :(
32. elitewolverine (Posts: 4991; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Nokia did it to themselves. If Android was chosen and a flop, who would have bought them out? Ask Motorola, an established phone maker and android maker how that went.
38. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
Google would helped if needed.
They do that.
47. elitewolverine (Posts: 4991; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Yes like they did with Moto....errr Lenovo, and not to mention keeping their patents and other projects too.
Again even if Google bought them (highly doubt it) they would have stripped them sold them and the Nokia that everyone is up in arms about existing would be no more.
48. jroc74 (Posts: 5976; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Since Moto is still alive as a company..its still a wait n see approach if the Lenovo deal was good or bad for Moto.
Moto might actually better financially as a company with Lenovo.
And Google still has their hands in with Moto. Just not as much now.
49. elitewolverine (Posts: 4991; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Google stripped them of their patents, Lenovo bought their phone division...with license to the now transferred patents to google.
Nokia in the MS deal is keeping their software and patents, while they release the mobile division.
And we all love to talk about the crash of the almighty Nokia stock.
Moto was bought for over 12billion and sold for less than 3billion (worse imo than what 'Elop' did to nokia). Google only wanted the patents, any and all idea's that they bought it to save the brand is hogwash.
21. corporateJP (Posts: 2431; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)
Why does it not suprise me with this guy? He's Canadian...that must be it...
25. amsam7 (Posts: 10; Member since: 07 Apr 2014)
Meego..... :'( Suymbian......:'( dear N-series, express music series,E-series,............a company who offered is darn awsm smartphones........remember the N-gage gaming platform that Nokia introduced to the world.. Since its now legend, but i love the main part .....Nokia didn't gave away their more than 10,000 patents portfolio to microsoft..... Huh......B-) King always been the king...... Patents are the main assets of a company B-) fkkk u micro......
26. DarkRadeonFX (Posts: 37; Member since: 29 Mar 2014)
I hope MS stops making pathetic lagdroids....
50. elitewolverine (Posts: 4991; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Technically yes, since they now own the mobile division that is producing the android x line that Nokia started on.
28. AhmadAlsayegh (Posts: 287; Member since: 18 Jul 2011)
Some people can't lead but to be led.. He was leading one of greatest companies in the world, but no no no, he decided to head only a division in Microsoft..
Luckily Nokia is heavily involved in graphene research, which is really promising... I would say Nokia is really thinking ahead of other companies, and at some point might strike back as a graphene chip maker... Which will change the world of technology
29. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
Fyi, its samsung which get break through in graphane at the moment... lets see what orthers will achieve in their research
30. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1513; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
I never thought MR Elop was a plant by microsoft to get Nokia sold to Microsoft Especially since all Microsoft insiders know that Bill Gates the chairman of the board at Microsoft was not in favor of it nor was present MS CEO Nadella in favor of it This one of Steve Ballmers's
Moves before he retired from his CEO position. Microsoft Mobile is now a division of Microsoft and can be sold off as just like Google sold off Motorola. Microsoft could do that in the future. I wish microsoft, Nokia and all involved in it all the best and hope new and exciting products come out of this deal for the Business and Private citizens of the World.
35. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
I love this part:
"Whether the NSA wants to read more, capture more, watch more, listen more or get more done, Microsoft mobile devices have been and are your go-to choice."
40. Liveitup (Posts: 1798; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)
Nokia would not had survived had they not adopted WP, Meamo had tons of potential but the problem was Nokia was to late transitioning to smartphones in the Iphone.Android era they basically like Microsoft missed the smartphone uprising in the latter half of the first decade. Nokia was in dire financial straits. MS even had to bail them out. People need to stop looking through fan boy lenses and see things through business lenses. As bad as Nokia dis under Elop no other one or platform could have saved it. Nokia was in bad financial situation. No one seems to get this. Funny Elop gets blamed when the actual culprit for Nokia trouble is Ollie Pekka Kallasvuo. Elop best played the hands he was given, don't forget that Nokia also has a board of directors who helps influence decisions.
45. express77 (unregistered)
How can this mole get 25 million dollars? I wish this man suffer more than anyone can ever imagine. MS has used this man for their dirty work but they should fire him now as their 'mission' is completed. If he stays on MS, they will suffer too. But I think Buying Nokia is not good for MS as OEMs dont like to compete with OS makers. Something similar like google and moto after some years.