State of the industry in Q3: Samsung a success story, LG and RIM losing ground
0. phoneArena 11 Nov 2011, 10:02 posted on
We had one of the most interesting quarters in the mobile industry with the changes at Apple's helm, and Google acquiring Motorola. Last quarter can therefore be considered as the end of an era, and Q4 the beginning of new battles, considering the launch of the Nokia Windows Phones...
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1. goflet (Posts: 50; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)
how can a company only has %4 market share make the most profit??
other companies has to ask themselves this question
3. drahmad (Posts: 480; Member since: 20 Aug 2011)
in simple 3 steps
1. make urself an american comapny
2. make some piece of a crap
3. sell it for a hell of money
Thats it. You have done it.
5. remixfa (Posts: 14178; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you make a phone out of cheap parts, advertise it as premium.. spend a bundle in slick advertising.. make it not do much, but not do much well, and sell it as a mass market device. Apple's profit margin on the i4s is 70%. The average profit margin of a company is between 7-15% just to give you an idea.
9. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5955; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
You may be confusing gross with net on the profit statement. Even Apple does not net out 70%. The 7 to 15% is generally net profits after everything is said and done. 7 to 15% gross profit isn't going to pay the bills.
13. remixfa (Posts: 14178; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol, droid, the estimate gross for parts is about 70% profit, if you want to get technical. Put it in perspective, Samsung nets around 30% or so net for parts, on its most expensive phones. Samsung also puts in billions more a year to research compared with apple. Apple makes so much because its margins are among the highest in the WORLD.
To twist an old wendy's slogan. With Apple, you dont get more.. you just pay more.
12. roscuthiii (Posts: 1873; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Where do you get this 4% from? Are you talking global mobile phone market in total, regardless of phone type? Because Apple has closer to 20% of the smartphone market which is where the money is made. Add in the rest of the iOS device line-up (like tablets where iPad has about all of the market share), and their high profit margin because some people will pay almost any price for a product with a picture of a bitten fruit coupled with a lower case "i" and it's pretty easy to see where the profit comes from.
16. douglasman100 (Posts: 24; Member since: 27 Aug 2011)
There an american company whos products are all produce by a company called Foxconn who makes products for alot of compainies but that are korean, japanese, or chinese companies not american. foxconn hires kids and adults to work for horible pays and since people got payed so horribly payed people killed them selves because then there family would be better off with all of the money foxconn gave them. it was so common that foxconn told people if they kill them selves they wont get any money. so yeah they spend 100 on a phone sell it for 600 dollars. does that answer your question ;)
4. Alantef (Posts: 287; Member since: 14 Sep 2011)
lesson should have been....STOP making s**tty phones....the "new" lg mytouch phones look like crap in all seriousness the LG revolution is now a metro pcs phone for 250 cheaper than the Verizon lte version with NO contract.....lg can do better but RIM is dead....sorry
6. snowgator (Posts: 3297; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Motorola mobile will be a different company due to Google, Sony will be a different company being on it's own, and Nokia will be a completely corporate model. Throw Q's 3 & 4 of this year out the window on them. 2012 will be better indicators on those three.
Apple, HTC and Samsung are as sure of a thing as there is in mobile right now. Bet against those three only if your purpose is to lose money.
RIM and LG? Tough road ahead for those two. LG will be okay, but only due to volumn sold unless they kick it into high gear. RIM just feels like a fading Boxing great trying to grind out one more championship fight when the body just doesn't have it in 'em .....
7. Sniggly (Posts: 7183; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
And once again a Phonearena author takes a chance to dig at the Motorola Google deal and act like manufacturers are worried about preferential treatment. THEY'RE NOT. They have not expressed any such sentiments AT ALL ANYWHERE. Stop with the bulls**t and reporting falsehoods.
8. bbblader (Posts: 583; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
I see why Nokia are better than Samsung and HTC at Mobile Industry share
It's simple Samsung and HTC forgot about normal people phones
they're aiming for the most expencive,good,dual-core,and all the stuff you dont need but use Nokia still make cheap normal phones like the Nokia Asha 200 201 300 303
thats why Nokia will keep more Mobile Indrustry share like the jump of 3% when Samsung only did 2% jump
10. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5955; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I suspect the 4Q results will show RIM continuing to head southward. If the rumor about problems with the QNX roll-out to handsets is true, it is pretty much curtains for RIM. Sure, they can hang on to whatever they can, but it will still be a downward spiral.
11. jamrockjones (Posts: 345; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Hope the Optimus LTE does well! Specs look pretty sweet.
14. Leodrade (Posts: 87; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)
Lg has a still has a chance
If they release a Optimus 4x with Tegra 3 and with a AH-IPS HD screen in Q1 2012 i am sold
15. lubba (Posts: 1311; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Super specs don't add up to a good phone. Look at PA review of HTC Vivid and Samsung skeyrocket. In part, its establishment. For example, iphone, SG2, and HTC evo line. Other things to include are hardware design and OS differentiation. Motorola lacks the latter and LG lacks all.