Sprint finds nothing wrong with selling LTE phones without LTE network
0. phoneArena 08 May 2012, 15:35 posted on
Since Sprint has not yet flipped the switch of its LTE network, one might think that selling LTE capable smartphones now does not seem logical. The carrier, however, does not share that standpoint. In a recent interview, Fared Adib, who is vice president of product development at Sprint, told AllThingsD that doing so actually makes sense...
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1. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2801; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
They also find nothing wrong with extremely slow 3G speeds.
3. ajac09 (Posts: 1110; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
and nothing wrong with taking service from your area and refusing to wave your ETF.
33. tuminatr (Posts: 579; Member since: 23 Feb 2009)
I can speak with some athority on this one, I am a sprint customer and I own a Galaxy Nexus. First the phone is real nice the browser on android 4.0 is faster thank my Notorola Photon useing sprints 4g. Also I know LTE is coming and I hope its this year here in Minneapolis. I am happy with my decision there is NO perfect service No perfect phone and No perfect carrier. But this works for me and when real 4g comes it will be real nice
42. Tomcat5678 (Posts: 2; Member since: 09 May 2012)
ajac09, that is interesting. I have a friend that moved to an area with limited to no Sprint service. He received a call from Sprint informing him they would waive his ETF based on his lack of coverage at his new address. Maybe give Customer Service a call to discuss (if you haven't already). If that doesn't work just keep dowloading while roaming and wait for the call!
44. downphoenix (Posts: 1996; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
ajac09 is lying, likely a bad (hopefully former) sprint customer that wants to lie to get his way.
6. theruleslawyer (Posts: 108; Member since: 23 Apr 2012)
Sprints 3g speed makes me long for my old 56k modem.
10. lsutigers (Posts: 561; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)
Actually Sprint does know about the issue, which wasnt much of an issue until the iPhone came along, ala AT&T, that's why Sprint is deploying Network Vision (all-new 3G and 4G LTE network), specifically to address these issues.
20. TheRequiem (Posts: 54; Member since: 23 Mar 2012)
Correct, Network Vision will easily match AT&T and Verizon in speed... anyone remember the major issues AT&T had when iPhone came? There's was worse...
36. alpinejason (Posts: 221; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)
get real and quit defending sprint they suck they have always and will always simple as that and that's why they have been losing ground to att and verizon for years now and are on the verge of going under i mean cmon the stocks are less then 3 bucks
30. crysiswarmonger (Posts: 78; Member since: 06 Feb 2012)
Sprint 4g never worked anyway.
3g Coverage always sucked.
I just switched my lines yesterday to Verizon. Got 4 good used phones so I can upgrade to a new Verizon phone (wish it was the HTC One X).
My point being I was willing to pay, but after 12 years of service going downhill... (it was never good though).
I can't see Sprint surviving without a major merger where someone grabs their customer base.
39. Fallout09 (Posts: 397; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
Why dont you tell us how you really feel?
45. DonkeySauce (Posts: 121; Member since: 03 Dec 2011)
They never found a problem with selling wimax phones with almost no wimax coverage....
2. gallitoking (Posts: 4572; Member since: 17 May 2011)
ohh Sprint.. how can I help here... os they sell phones that half of the contract will be using 4g even slower than a wimax 4G... wow..
4. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2801; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Lol just be connected to wifi so you can use your Sprint phone. So much for those LTE speeds and unlimited data.
8. remixfa (Posts: 13885; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
bah, iphone users are used to WiFi, so they wouldnt even notice anyways.
It makes sense, just sell it as an instant upgrade when the network turns on or something. Why have customers putting off their upgrade till the LTE network comes out, when they can just get the phones now and have the benefit when it does launch.
No biggie. Just make sure that whatever LTE phones they do sell have a LTE on/off switch and demo it, so people are not wasting their batteries.
21. I_Slap_Fat_Kids (Posts: 39; Member since: 04 May 2012)
But it seems they're still charging for "premium" data on the LTE devices even when there are no towers broadcasting such data...
24. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1334; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Good point. While that is true, the same goes for the iPhone which doesn't get "4G" I can see someone suing over this however
28. I_Slap_Fat_Kids (Posts: 39; Member since: 04 May 2012)
I was unaware of that. That is simply highway-robbery.
I've got an old grandfathered family plan, but I'm thinking I'm going to switch to another carrier if they don't pull themselves together here soon.
5. theoak (Posts: 311; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
Sprint has a phone with a bridge to Hawaii too that they are going to release ;)
7. TOYMAN (Posts: 29; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
you guys are so close minded. when you bye a car do u go the top speed? you can but if you do you will more likely get a tict. so kick back lte is just data anyway what the big deal. when the lte comes your way. at least you will have the phone that will get it. oh ya at least sprint is not going to raise there price of the plans like At&t lol just becuse they did not get there way.
9. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2801; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Oh god not another phones compared to cars nonsense.
Its not about top speed dude. You walk into a house or building and you get slower than dial up speeds with Sprints 3G network. The 90s are over and if i am going to pay the same amount, have the same high ETF, i am going with a network that can actually load a website and not sit there for 10 minutes and then say "page cannot be displayed". You walk into a building and thats what happens on Sprints network yet you are paying the same as Verizon and At&t.
You wanna compare cars with phones? Fine here is one for ya!
Imagine buying a car that you cant drive unless you are on a wifi connection and you have to wait 6 months to year OR longer just to be able to? Thats how Sprints network is, ungodly slow unless you are outside and on wifi. Excuse me let me try to repost this message again, i need to go outside.
13. lsutigers (Posts: 561; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)
Rory, I agree with you about the car comment, but Sprint LTE is already here in some markets and will cover as much as the WiMAX network by year end, give it time. Verizon and AT&T dont have nationwide LTE, do they?
18. BuckeyeCadet86 (Posts: 68; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Sprint LTE is not officially live anywhere yet. Verizon and AT&T don't have nationwide deployment yet either. At least Verizon launched with something like 50 or 60 markets. Sprint is working right now to launch with what 4, 5?
37. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 640; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)
All I can say is that when it is all said and done Sprint will be where Verizon is and beyond with HD voice capabilities. 2014 is the year LTE 1x Advance should be completed, and AT&T won't have this capability until way later, because they haven't solved a way to roll this out since this signal interferes with their 700MHZ LTE signal. 2013 LTE should be in all markets, but LTE should start going live in less than 30 days.
Sprint will have major markets covered in LTE by years end, and to sell a phone with Wimax knowing this is wrong for the consumer. LTE, LTE advance and HD voice will put Sprint ahead of most carriers with unlimited plans that should catch on when they are complete.
I hear all over the internet in other forums that people wanting to switch to Sprint for LTE and the EVO 4G LTE with unlimited voice and data. Sprint will survive, and I have received 1 MB up and down on 3G here in NYC, and bet this is network vision getting ready to go live!
When it comes to coverage I have maintained a signal from Massachusetts all the way to Tampa Florida while driving. There are weak areas of coverage, but with my company I had Sprint some had Verizon and Verizon had no coverage at a company event in Massachusetts.....go figure! No one Carrier has coverage every where in the US yet!
38. kshell1 (Posts: 1112; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
I use to have Sprint (still have my e4gt for pics and games) and sprints network as Rory said is by far the worst network ever. I can get faster speeds on US cellulars 1X and thats pretty bad cause it sucks
16. -box- (Posts: 3470; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
I may not go the top speed in my car, but if I pay for a V8 over a V6 I sure expect all 8 cylinders to work
25. threeline (Posts: 230; Member since: 11 Sep 2011)
I agree, not wait 6 months to a year and we'll activate the other four cyclinders for you but we gotta charge the money now for the V8 you just bought.
41. parkwaydr (Posts: 571; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)
Thumbs up for a car comparison that makes sense
11. MorePhonesThanNeeded (Posts: 612; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Lol, why is this news? We had Sprint selling WiMax phones without the network being turned on a couple of years back, so what makes this any different or for that matter news to be reported? Sheesh! I await imaginative comments to continue.
12. GeekMovement (Posts: 1139; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)
I'm honestly not expecting much from Sprint. After all I'm still experiencing 3G speeds of less than 0.65mbps average. WI-FI for me.
14. omarc26 (Posts: 357; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
it sucks that these phones dont support 4G wimax they only support 4G lte and slow 3G so in theplaces were sprint dnt have lte they would at least be on wimax which u gotta admit it aint that bad much better than evdo 3G but noo people are stuck in sloow 3G evdo even if theres wimax coverage in there area cuz theres no sprint lte there and the phones dnt support wimax.
15. iixacexii (unregistered)
There seems to be a misinterpretation that Sprint is cheap. In actuality because of that stupid 10 *premium* data charge my bill was about 100 a month getting crap speeds 200-400kbs average in NY( not to mention no wii max in long island). My att bill is 90 and my g-nex cruises on thier 3g/hspa+ averaging 5-10 down. No one should put up with sprints bs they charge way too much for their terrible service and speeds.
27. threeline (Posts: 230; Member since: 11 Sep 2011)
And they over taxed you guys in NY! That's like a kick a in the groin to go with your 200kbs speeds
17. Libra1985 (Posts: 28; Member since: 26 Feb 2011)
If I do recall correctly AT&T did the same thing prior to their LTE Network being turned on....
19. Jyakotu (Posts: 812; Member since: 12 Dec 2008)
That's not true. AT&T had LTE phones when their LTE was available. If you're thinking of when they sold 4G phones, that's only because T-Mobile called HSPA+ 4G, AT&T just followed suit. And rightfully so, since the definition of 4G was modified to include the technology. AT&T LTE phones have a HUGE advantage because even if you don't have LTE in your area, your phone falls back to HSPA+ and if not that, at least AT&T 3G has been proven to be the fastest.
29. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 2801; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
Agreed, At&ts hspa+ network is very fast compared to 3G so it is quite useable unlike sprints 3G.
26. omarc26 (Posts: 357; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
yea only difference att had 3G hspa + which is waaaay faster than sprints 3G so they didnt have LTE but altleast people had 3G hspa
23. networkdood (Posts: 4749; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Yeah, Sprint's stock is running very low, nowadays...what does that tell you?
40. Fallout09 (Posts: 397; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
How quickly you guys forget that Apple was about to disapear and stock was just a low before good ol Microsoft went and bailed them out.... With the changes Sprint is putting into play, I say buy. buy. buy.
47. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 640; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)
Good answer....This is what happens when investors don't see returns right away. Then when R&D adds cost to the bottom line companies stock fall as well. The market is fickle and very ignorant with this. Google lost money because of R&D and they took a hit in the stock. I bet the investors that bailed looked stupid when the R&D caused major net gains 6 months to a year later
31. xmusicianguy (Posts: 96; Member since: 13 Jul 2011)
I think the only thing Sprint is really known for is being the main sponsor for the Narcar Cup Races!
32. Phonecall01 (Posts: 88; Member since: 02 Apr 2009)
Most people get the wrong idea here. It's perfectly logical to release any new phone from now with LTE even if they don't have the network running yet. LTE is already adopted everywhere by many carriers so it's not going to fade. The mistake would to still release Wimax devices. It's a lot easier to keep up with the "New device" competition while the LTE network is still being built. They're 3G speed is in fact terrible, but a new phone with only that and no future LTE capability would be unacceptable. It's not like you're gonna pay more a month for an LTE device anyway.
34. Feech (Posts: 4; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
I think people are going to be surprised. I have a feeling that Sprint has been working on LTE for some time and we may see 50 or more markets at launch time. I don't have this from anyone just more of a feeling than anything. I just can't see them launching so e of the most important devices on the network and technically not have a network to support it.
35. snowgator (Posts: 3018; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Would have loved to give Sprint my money, but with one tower- that would be the only number greater then no service at all- it was an amazing display of poor performance.
I am not against them selling LTE devices. More power to them. But, Sprint service was so poor in so many areas. Unless you were lucky enough to live in one of the few areas Sprint actually invested in, I am just curious why anyone would upgrade to a LTE device without waiting to see how the roll out goes?
43. pbui.818 (Posts: 78; Member since: 06 Feb 2012)
the problem with releasing an LTE is whether the modem/dsp/radio can handle all the variants and all the frequencies.
TDD-LTE or FDD-LTE?
Qualcomm recently announced plans for such a new chip.
Samsung does provide LTE as well but doesn't support all the variants that's why Exynos isn't in the US.
Apple got into trouble in Australia with their iPad WiFi + 4G because it didn't support the right version of LTE.
Will the first round of Sprint LTE devices support all the versions of LTE that they will need?
46. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 640; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)
No they will only support 1900mhz., but that will be useable no matter what they won't phase 1900mhz out. They will ass 800, and 2500 mhz in the future with 1x LTE advance in the mix.
48. ZeldaStjohn (Posts: 2; Member since: 10 May 2012)
the plans like At&t lol just becuse they did not get there way.