Sprint CEO Dan Hesse defends push for the iPhone
0. phoneArena 21 Mar 2012, 14:53 posted on
It has been widely reported that Sprint agreed to pay Apple $15 billion over the course of 4 years just to have the privilege of selling the iPhone on the network. Yesterday, it was speculated that the push for the iPhone...
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1. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
'iPhone users are actually better for the network because they "have a lower level of churn and they actually use less data on average than a high-end 4G Android device'
Could it be because the iPhone does everything only whilst connected to Wi-Fi???
10. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
yes sir.. you are correct sir!
its amazing that even on LTE, the stupid ipad still isnt able to videochat unless its on WiFi.
Personally , I dont think its going to make that big of a difference. first off, many iphone users think the "4" means 4g anyways, so they dont know the difference. also, there is no reason (though unlikely) that a wimaxx model cant be launched. sheeple would buy it even if it was still 2g. And for the budget conscious, the extra 40-50 bux a month saved is worth not having LTE
17. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
No Sir, you are even more correct. The first thing I did when I grabbed that New tAmpAd on Friday was launch FaceTime and, of course, I got the message "Please Turn on Wi-Fi?" Then, I tried the Browser; I could still only get the "Mobile" site of one of my trusty websites that offers a true "Go To Full Website" link. Finally, the only thing I could do was change the default ringtone and default notifications tone to "Bark". Woof-woof (iMean, iWoof-iWoof)!!
41. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
so u either bought an ipad, or were at the store the day of to see the ipad? sorry, but the hypocrisy is practically coming out of my computer and slapping me…
35. smallPENIS (Posts: 2; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)
The fact still remains that Iproducts will outsell and outQUA any android products
2. theBankRobber (Posts: 681; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
Sprint is only going to maybe make the $15.5 billion back on the iPhone but no profits.
22. lsutigers (Posts: 820; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)
And of course you know the exact details of the financials because you are privy to this information?? How so??
This deal was analyzed and re-analyzed, it is a LONG TERM investment for Sprint. They gave full disclosure, we expect to lose money on this deal before we see a return.
33. theBankRobber (Posts: 681; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
Haha yea JUST LIKE WITH WIMAX RIGHT???? Lets not forget Sprint has to pay more for the iPhone then Verizon and AT&T so I don't really see much profit.
34. smallPENIS (Posts: 2; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)
I don't like your opinion so go F%^K yourself
37. Contreramanjaro (Posts: 153; Member since: 04 Dec 2011)
I don't think WiMax was ever a long term solution, I'm not going to do your research for you. The idea was to slow down customers leaving and to gain some new ones. The problem was there was no profit to begin with so Sprint is just trying to (IMO) level it off while they try to build their network. This is seen with the Network Vision stuff they are doing along with killing off Iden. Naturally I don't think WiMax went off well at all but making their towers so easy to switch to LTE and contracting Clearwire in the first place shows a lack of dedication to WiMax.
LTE wasn't really ready when Sprint started to build its 4G network and it was bleeding customers and money badly. It needed a selling point so it started building 4G. Who knew that suddenly TMO and ATT were going to pull "4G" out of their asses too.
This goes back to iPhone. To me, it looks like every move at this point by Sprint is just to keep and gain customers.
40. theBankRobber (Posts: 681; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
No please educate yourself , Sprint didn't have any good phones before the Evo. The Samsung Instinct was a huge pile of garbage. Had one myself before the Evo and what caught my eye about the Evo was surely not the 4g, it was the great specs. The touch pro 2 was a decent phone after the instinct. Sprint invested alot of time and money into Clear and WiMax trying to push it as the next 4g standard. They went the cheap way and it cost them money .
42. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
sprint needed wimax because it was the only option… they had a fat amount of spectrum that the gov was gonna reposes if they didnt do something with it… lte was far from ready so they had to deploy wimax, as it was a nice selling point and 3g wasnt needed… wimax was a very nice solution at the time because of all the government support for it and its seemingly uniformness… i think apple might make a wimax iphone so it will not be a huge issue…
45. Contreramanjaro (Posts: 153; Member since: 04 Dec 2011)
Oh, I'm sorry, the awesome HTC Touch Diamond must have been some sort of mirage. The Instinct was decent at the time. Also had one. Also, I don't think anyone still thinks WiMax and Clear were good decisions but a couple years ago that wasn't so obvious. Come on man, you're going to need more than year old arguments to show me how wrong I am.
3. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
When AT&T dropped unlimited, people freaked. But when Verizon did the same, folks seemed to start questioning whether they actually needed unlimited. It's funny how folks forget so quickly. At any rate, I don't think the unlimited plan will be enough to draw people. LTE maybe...but not just an unlimited 3G plan.
I think all the iPhone does for Sprint is puts them in the running as the Verizon and AT&T. People will be more willing to consider Sprint, but it doesn't make the deal since...well...there are two other companies to consider.
25. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Especially since Sprint has the slowest network of the "big 4"... no point having unlimited if you can't use it... and their structure penetration is awful and the coverage leaves much to be desired
29. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1107; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)
Change is a coming...here in NYC I get 1078 kbps on 3G and from 5-13k kbps on 4G Wimax When LTE hits between June, and August people will feel different
38. Contreramanjaro (Posts: 153; Member since: 04 Dec 2011)
I get 1.1 or so mbps during slow hours and 400 kbps during peak hour on 3G. I get a solid 2-4 Mbps on weak WiMax signal all the time. It's all riding on Network Vision.
31. dvancleave (Posts: 32; Member since: 19 Jul 2010)
Exactly! Sprint has really good customer service. And their pricing structure is good too. But their coverage and data speeds finally weighed in and I dropped them. Too bad really. But one can only hold on to promises of "hope and change" that never transpire for so long.
I clocked Sprint's speeds all around the Indianapolis, IN metro area. Most tests yielded 300-500 Kbps download using Samsung Epic 4G, HTC Evo 4G, and/or Sierra Wireless 4G Hotspot. Every now and then I would get up around the 700 Kbps mark. But this was more of an exception than a norm. And Sprint never delivered on the WiMax 4G coverage in Indy. Well, they did wheel in some towers for the Superbowl. But those things were out of here the next day along with our 4G.
They tried to keep me onboard with the promise of building out an LTE network. But we all know how the Light Squared deal panned out. I wasn't about to take a gamble on more talks of hope and change to come. I jumped ship to AT&T because my company made the very same switch. And so far the coverage is good and so are the data speeds. Indianapolis has be blessed by AT&T with LTE coverage. And it is FAST! I have the Samsung Skyrocket and my young teenaged daughter got the iPhone 4S. Even it manages to pull 3-5 Mbps downloads on their HSPA+ network.
49. TechnoTechyes (Posts: 64; Member since: 24 Jan 2011)
I drove all over Mesa, Tempe, Scottsdale (all the way up to Desert Mountain) and was in the southern part of Phoenix... I never had an issue. What part of Phoenix drops calls?
I don't know why someone would give a thumbs up... Stupid
47. Contreramanjaro (Posts: 153; Member since: 04 Dec 2011)
There is no doubt that ATT is stronger now. WiMax is limited but there are a few towers around. It would have been all good if Clear didn't run out of cash. After the Super Bowl though, in Indy I do around 1.1 Mbps. The Network Vision thing seems to be working.
6. Juggernaut1973 (Posts: 4; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)
Dan, you are a complete MORON! iPhone customers are better and more profitable for Sprint? Who are you trying to kid? My wife and I have been loyal customers for over 10 years and we are both Premiere members who have spent a crapload money every year on our calling plans, accessories, and convincing family, friends, employees, and co workers to switch over to Sprint!!
Where is your support for long time loyal customers like us?? We love Android and we hope that you get off the Apple Kool Aid and start taking care of your long term paying customers...
8. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
I guess when you think about it, it's a serious slap in the face to loyal long-term premiere Sprint customers.
Now, I'm not telling you to go and cancel your contract (s) in retaliation but, if someone else makes that suggestion far be it for me to discourage it.
13. moofoodooloo (Posts: 137; Member since: 04 Jan 2011)
Go ahead and cancel your contract, you'll just get bent over somewhere else. Either way you're going to get bent, one way or another. Choose who you want it from.
18. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
I truly hope you're not projecting because, if you are, you just "came out" in a big way.
19. drtech (banned) (Posts: 135; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
Juggernaut I'm sure you know more than Sprint's CEO
23. lsutigers (Posts: 820; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)
And exactly what else do you want Sprint to provide you, sir? You have an Android phone, right? They are releasing new high end Androids the rest of the year, right? They have the iPhone, Blackberries and WP, right So please, tell me, what else is it that you want from a phone company. To pay your mortgage? Obama might take care of that...
Some people are whiners, want everything handed to them or are just too hard to please!!!
48. threeline (Posts: 267; Member since: 11 Sep 2011)
We would like Sprint to provide reliable networks, what happened to the WiMax that was promised? They made sure they charge everyone 10 dollars for having a WiMax phone when the area didn't even have WiMax. Now that we all ran out trying to be supportive buying WiMax phones before our area was even up and running and now they moving away from WiMax to LTE. Sounds like another run around. Sprint should stop fighting it and just go under, I am looking for a loophole for my family plan to go over to VZW. Sprint is cheaper but I guess you get what you pay for.
52. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1107; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)
Sprint is supplying a reliable network. Get off your lazy ass, and search all of the things they have been doing quietly. Network Vision LTE is rolling out already in Atlanta, Boston, Texas, Baltimore, North VA-Baltimore, and DC. Puerto Rico, NY, Florida, California, and areas that missed Wimax the 1st time will get LTE by years end.
Galaxy Nexus launch in April, and other LTE phones coming. By years end you will wish you had stayed. I get 1078kbps on 3G 5-13k kbps on 4G now. This must be because of NV which is due to lite up in NYC by june no later than August. I bought the EVO 4G before Wimax lit up so buying the GN will be fine for me until LTE shows up in the near future
7. mrvid (Posts: 77; Member since: 02 Oct 2008)
Sprint, what a joke! They should have spent the money on their old network! They will always be number 3! or worse! Sure unlimited data is nice, but first you have to have a usable speed! I had Sprint for over 10 years and got sick and tired of the slow pathetic speeds! .2MB on 3G, 2-3MB on 4G! Went to Verizon! I pay just about the same, just a little more, but well worth it! I go to a restaurant, not on their wifi and have a download speeds 28MB on LTE! The iPhone is going to do them no good if they don't have customers to use them! And if they do keep selling them their network is just going to worse, if that's even possible!!
11. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1717; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
I get up to 9MB on 4G where I live, It all depends on your area. Unlimited data has saved my ass several times.
24. 14545 (Posts: 1483; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
This is just it, they are limiting themselves to a smaller market by wasting so much money on the iPhone. Where they could have used those resources to better their networks range(reach) and capacity. I know two people just in the last 3 months that have left Sprint due to coverage issues. So the iPhone was a horrible idea, but I do expect Hesse to defend it. As that's his butt on the line if/when it hits the fan and all he is doing is protecting himself. But this will backfire.
14. Whateverman (Posts: 3253; Member since: 17 May 2009)
VZW fought churn by promoting the hell out of their Droid line-up. So Droids more than others, but it at least got people in the door to see other Android devices. Sprint marketed the hell out of the Evo, named every other HTC device some variation of the Evo, left the Epic and Epic Touch to Samsung to market only as the Galaxy SII, and then surrounded these great devices with a bunch of low end devices. It seems to me all they were doing was making room for the iPhone this whole time. VZW fought hard with the Droid 1-4, X, ERIS, Incredible 1 and 2, TB, Charge, and a few other device. Some reall missed the mark, some hit the nail on the head! But till this day Sprint is still selling the Evo at $100! They could have kept a lot of customers including myself, if they had just freshened their line of high end Androids. They just took what they thought would be the easy way out, and now they are paying for it.
15. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
The SGS2 is still the king of the hill, but they also had what.. the photon4g and the Evo3D... and thats pretty much all of their major releases since the Evo.. 2 years ago. The fact that the Evo is still selling at all, much less at that price is silly. Then again, Tmobile just raised the price of the SGS1 back up because demand is still really high. As long as peeps are willing to pay for it, whatever i guess.
21. drtech (banned) (Posts: 135; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
T-Mobile is hemorhaging customers right now because they have no iPhone.
20. drtech (banned) (Posts: 135; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
Verizon and now Sprint are both gaining A LOT more customers once they got the iPhone. Also iPhone's convert basic phone customers to smartphone customers. This leads to way more profit for the carrier. Why do you think Sprint and Verizon were both so desperate to get the iPhone?
Without the iPhone Sprint would be dead, just like T-Mobile is on it's way out right now.
28. Whateverman (Posts: 3253; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Actually the iPhone has done much for VZW at all in terms of subscribers. The sales from last year were mostly upgrades. VZW has had some of their best quarters before the iPhone was offered. Of course VZW had to listen to its customers, but they've had great success without the iPhone in its line up.
39. drtech (banned) (Posts: 135; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
With the iPhone 4s launch VZW had their best quarter in 3 years.
44. Whateverman (Posts: 3253; Member since: 17 May 2009)
As far as sales, yes. But that wasn't all iPhone. They sold a record number of LTE devices as well, and I'm sure they may have sold a few 3G smartphones and feature phones during that period too.
16. Wolves11 (Posts: 10; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)
Man, I love on how everytime I am on here all I read is people bashing whatever the articule is about! Really, you pay a little more than Sprint on Verion? About 25-30 a month per line! Dont get me wrong, not a full time fan of Sprint, and Verizon LTE where available is better, but the 3G on a Iphone with same single is pretty close. And ALL carriers have outdated networks in certain areas of the country due to buyouts of small old companies, Like alltell, Nextel, Centennial, etc.
Heck, ATT just got 3G last year in a lot of the Midwest. Verizon LTE goes down at least once a month, Sprint has a true 4G in more cities that ATT at this time. If you are unhappy, try another carrier, you get 14 days, and see. Grass isnt always greener on the other side.
And I feel you on the loyal long term customers, Sprint gave us some nice stuff for a long time, now it is gone, But ATT and Verizon, NEVER had those perks... Well not whe i was with ATT for 10 years anyway
50. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1107; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)
If you unhappy people did your home work you will find Network vision possibly rolling out in NY in June in primary markets, and October in secondary markets.
Right now in NY I am getting 1mb up and 1MB down on 3G. Wimax I get from 5-MB. LTE should be here in June and will be rolled out by October in areas where Wimax never was. By 2013 LTE A rolls out all on an unlimited plan for those that wait patiently. This is substantiated by S4GRU forums and on Sprints NV page it list areas like Boston, Baltimore, Texas, Atlanta and a few other places getting lit up or readying to lite up
27. skymitch89 (Posts: 1296; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
Well, I'm sure that Apple won't be announcing the next iPhone until this fall; so that gives Sprint 6-7 months to start rolling out an LTE network. I might actually leave Sprint because they have unlimited data. Unlimited data brings in more users of 3G, which in turn uses more bandwidth/spectrum, which in turn decreases data speeds. When I got Sprint 2 years ago I was getting 1.5-2Mbps down (even topping at like 2.3Mbps once) on my Samsung Moment, then I got the HTC Hero and was getting about 1Mbps down, and now I have the Evo Shift and I'd be lucky to get maybe .75Mbps down (even with the "3G enhancements" that Sprint is making).
30. TheMurkMan (Posts: 2; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)
He'll be defending that in bankruptcy court as well.
32. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Unlimited ultra slow data??? Yeah, why would anyone want an iphone on the SPRINT network, or with Verizon 3G? Way too slow....unless you use wifi.
43. Juggernaut1973 (Posts: 4; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)
I do know more than Hesse. I know enough not to have given Apple 15 billion dollars and force it to become a "Jesus" phone. The IPhone will not save Sprint from eventual bankruptcy and it has not added the significant number of new customers that Hesse wants.
Also the MORON tried and has currently failed to build or partner up to build a credible LTE network. Clear is begging for more and more money and is a drain on Sprint's limited resource.
51. atheisticemetic (Posts: 377; Member since: 18 Dec 2011)
sprint is going to go out of business.....they've been on their last leg for too long by making poor investments and poor decisions.
i'm not a fan of sprint (their network and customer service are awful), it doesnt do good things for the competitive nature of the bizz....
Verizon has little to no use to buy them out (they arent investing anything into their 3g network)
ATT or Tmobile would run into more than enough trouble trying to convert all of their towers to GSM (and a huge waste of money). We all know how the nextel/sprint 'merger' went
Anyone's honest thoughts on what will happen to sprint if (when) they go out of business?