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Sour Grapes department: former webOS investor bashes Android

0. phoneArena 15 Dec 2012, 05:54 posted on

Elevation Partners co-founder Roger McNamee is not enamored of Android which is not surprising considering his company was a big investor in Palm and while it does seem like a case of picking the wrong horse to bet on; one of McNamee's criticisms of Android is that while the OS has overtaken Apple in volume, the majority of profits in the industry go to Apple...

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posted on 15 Dec 2012, 09:00 4

19. droidboy (Posts: 50; Member since: 25 Nov 2012)

Bottom line the guy is an idiot. He is mad because android dethroned palm and webos when it comes to the war on apple. What an idiot... and to say android does not do much is a joke. My phone has a faster processor then my laptop. He should just go back to trying to stay in the lines when he colors.

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 13:01 1

32. tedkord (Posts: 11935; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

I agree with must of what you say, but unless you have a very old laptop, your phone's processor is not faster. It may have a faster GHz cycle, but ARM processors are much less powerful than X86. They do less per clock cycle, but do it much more power efficiently.

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 20:36

53. droidboy (Posts: 50; Member since: 25 Nov 2012)

My laptop is not that old but its in no way a top of the line. It has a 1ghrz processor. I was just trying to make the point that smartphones esp android are innovative and powerful. To bad for web os.

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 14:39 2

39. Sailingmaster (Posts: 24; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)

He's drinking Drano or something. But, no one really dethroned Palm except for Palm. They were down and out. The Treo 755 looked too much like a Treo 600, while the iPhone was resculpting the Smartphone world; and Palm got the reputation for being old and clunky. It didn't really matter that the Palm Pre was a pretty good unit and that WebOS was very slick. They couldn't change public perception.

It didn't matter that the pundits all loved it. The public equated Palm with Old Lame Tired Junk. That combined with their total loss of the enterprise market to Blackberry in the years before spelled doom. If ol' Rog up there had gotten some serious marketing research, maybe he wouldn't sound quite so spiteful.

And for that matter, RIM is pretty much in the same boat for consumers. They might gain back some business/government market share, but it will take a miraculously successful launch to resurrect any interest from the consumer market. These days, BB means old junk to the average consumer.

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 09:16 1

20. tkvdog (Posts: 46; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)

mc winnie d bag

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 09:21 2

21. anshul0000 (unregistered)


posted on 15 Dec 2012, 09:38 1

22. masterchina (Posts: 55; Member since: 27 Sep 2011)

Wah, wah, wah all the way home!

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 10:47 3

26. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

Well, his firm did buy a 25% stake in Palm, in 2007...325 million - I am sure he recovered without too many problems. Android does not innovate? Well, I am not sure how much more innovation can be done - but there can be improvements to RAM usage, battery life, efficiency, etc. Android can only go up as it has almost limitless potential.
Maybe, now that the stock of APPLE has fallen some, he can buy some of APPLE's stock.
Apple did not innovate anything - it took existing ideas and combined them into a marketable solution to the consumer.
It is a shame that webOS is no longer on smartphones, but there are just only so much spaces out there for mobile OSes...in a few years another one will come along.

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 10:59 6

27. ilia1986 (unregistered)

"Android doesn't do much"


posted on 15 Dec 2012, 13:48 4

35. gmacattacks (Posts: 24; Member since: 07 Sep 2012)

He's just mad that Web OS Failed miserably

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 14:14 3

37. KFear (Posts: 143; Member since: 06 Feb 2012)

Android takes ALL of google's services and it puts itself in the middle as a means to each service. They are also free services and most of them work quite well. Palm failed to do this. Windows, Apple, and Google do this very well. "android doesn't do much." You're career isn't doing much!

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 17:56 2

46. PotDragon (banned) (Posts: 214; Member since: 22 Jul 2011)

Spoken like someone who never actually HAD a Palm Pre. I had a Pre & a Pre Plus. There is no question that WebOS blew away both android AND IOS. BTW....you must compare it to Eclair or Gingerbread as those were the versions back then. The 3gs or the ip4 was the iPhone.

Trouble Palm actually had? Complete crap hardware! The slide loosened after WAY TOO light usage making your voice transmit in fragments. I cannot tell you how many handsets i sent back for replacement. Too bad.

posted on 16 Dec 2012, 12:21 1

65. KFear (Posts: 143; Member since: 06 Feb 2012)

I work in wireless and I've had a webos device. Software wise, webos is innovative as hell but it still didn't offer nearly the intergration or the app market. The software had bugs too and tons of memory issues. I agree that the hardware was terrible. My technicians couldn't even mix most of the issues except for the power button having stopped. It did not blow the other experiences out of the water. None of my customers ever really said that. They wanted I phones because of the apps and intergration or android for customization. Webos was a fail in more regards than just hardware. Good idea though.

posted on 17 Dec 2012, 02:31

71. gmacattacks (Posts: 24; Member since: 07 Sep 2012)

also tiny screens hahaha the hp veer was a complete joke in my opinion

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 11:35 2

29. gmacattacks (Posts: 24; Member since: 07 Sep 2012)


posted on 15 Dec 2012, 12:35 1

30. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)

Sounds badly Butthurt or has money invested in Apple :D

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 13:17 1

33. Shino (banned) (Posts: 196; Member since: 23 Jul 2012)

Hahaha! Phonearena, you just posted some really big s**t, again! A few days ago I praised one of your artcles and thought you started hired better educated people. And now this?! "Sour grapes"?! Who do you think you are?! How pathetic is to show how illiterate and immmature your team is, by puttind a title like this? You think you are smarter than a REAL expert, actually?! I don't think so. Really, really pathetic.

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 14:29 5

38. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)

That "real expert" threw a lot of money into what is now a dead OS. Clearly he knows so much what he's talking about.

posted on 16 Dec 2012, 08:10

64. jroc74 (Posts: 6014; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

Compare that to Matias Duarte that left and joined the Android team about a year before Web OS devcies were killed off by HP.

This guy probably wishes he woulda let his money follow Duarte.

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 15:20 1

40. Kal-el (Posts: 93; Member since: 14 Dec 2012)

the only way to get haters to have something pretty awesome worth hating......Innovation? funny considering google voice/ vlingo were on android phones before apple could even Spell SIRI...Apple is a good chef taking pieces and ingredients from all other companies and just tweaking it a lil to claim their "OWN" recipe....kinda like makin a chocolate cookie and saying your version is better cuz you added more chocolate chips into it....doesn't take away from the fact that the idea from creator of the brilliant original cookie in the first place. Without ALL these other companies google/windows/palm etc....there wouldn't be apple....HELL more than 70% of parts of an iphone is made by other companies like sharp and samsung....The only "INNOVative" things apple creating is it's advertising into fooling people that their is the "best" phone and they invented it.


posted on 15 Dec 2012, 16:05

41. Whateverman (Posts: 3269; Member since: 17 May 2009)

This dude is a joke. He lost all credibility when he listed Google as one of the biggest patent trolls and then said, "Maybe Apple". Really dude? SMH.

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 16:23

42. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)

I guarantee had this guy invested in android and Google back then instead of palm, he'd be singing a different tune right about now, he's just mad he took a big chance with palm and it failed miserably. Which is sad, because web os is awesome. I really hope this new open web os thing pans out.

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 17:47 1

44. tedkord (Posts: 11935; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

WebOS was awesome, but Palm paired it with garbage hardware. No one in their right mind thought it was going to take off once we got a look at the Pre and Pixi.

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 18:03 1

47. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)

Agree. With this new open web os I would love to see some new stuff. In fact, I think with Samsung dominating android at the moment, companies like HTC should put web os out. Could you imagine a droid DNA level device running web os?

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 16:53

43. snowgator (Posts: 3598; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

Okay, I loves me some WebOS, and miss it. But we all know this: Without Android, there is no innovation or true explosion of mobile. Not to the degree it has in the short time it has. There is a reason WebOS failed, MS is scrambling to become a player, RIM is barely treading water and Apple is spending more time suing then releasing new devices: Google acquiring Android and kicking it up a notch changed the game. At first, smartphone was a business only device and the rest of the world was still paying by the minute for phone calls. The Smartphone revolution as a personal device was started by Apple, but it has been Android that made it available to everyone. And every function that devices have in them are available on Androids pretty much out of the box. This guy knows it.

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 19:02 3

51. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

durka durka to the guy in the article.

The run away craze with the Nexus4 proves that google is in no danger of losing "android" to "samsung".
He misses the cart before the horse. The beauty of Android unlike iOS or WebOS that its playdough.. it can be anything you want. And now its beautiful playdough that runs super smooth that can do anything you want.

Its not like bringing a motor scooter at the indie.. its like owning every car on the track except the lone iOS car.

Apple cant always "bring in all the profits" if Android is consistently eating world wide market share. If/when apple starts to become irrelevant (its happening now), its margins will shrink as it starts to have sales, prepaid, and free models (already starting to happen) to stay in the game at all. At that point either apples massive profits will drop (has started to happen) or it will continue to lose large swaths of market share to chase high margins (has also been happening). Its a lose-lose for apple as far as maintaining their current margins no matter how u cut it.
Apple will never go out of business and they will always have their loyal fans, but they will be re-relegated to "niche" product much like they always have been.

posted on 15 Dec 2012, 19:08

52. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)

He makes some very valid points

posted on 16 Dec 2012, 01:46

57. Fuego84 (Posts: 346; Member since: 13 May 2012)

Who cares if apple started markets or not. The reality is that the first product out there will always be out done by the competition. Why? Because the competition will examine that first device find out what's it missing and how they can improve it and Viola a better product is born being android. Sure not a lot of android devices out there make a premium feeling device but the android OS is always current where IOS is always late & outdated.

posted on 16 Dec 2012, 02:42

59. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)

Okay i agree that Apple transform and rebuild the markets. But they are not innovating anymore. I see same yearly upgraded product, with some hardware changes, apps and that's it. Samsung is innovating, next year Samsung is bringing Flexible displays. Nokia is always innovating, PureView Camera, Nokia City Lens, Optical Image Stabilization. In fact the company that has innovate the most is Nokia.

posted on 16 Dec 2012, 05:46 1

60. Droids-R-us (Posts: 33; Member since: 17 Sep 2012)

I cant believe what I have just read? 1, Android was created 1 year before IOS. 2, Apple do not innovate, they have taken ideas that already exist, made them better then patented them is if they invented them. Now they sue anyone who does the same. 3, Android does more than any other phone operating system that exists "It is completely open" No other phone lets you change the Launcher/font/icons/OS ETC, the list is nearly endless!. Motor scooter?? Android devices have the fastest processor and highest spec of any phone that exists. He is even criticizing Android for not being as greedy as Apple who screw every last penny they can form people, Example 100$/£ more for a bigger memory, patenting a rounded corner, suing ifone who patented their name years before apples iphone, copying the "Pad" from star trek then suing samsung for making a similar product. 4, people by iphones exactly because they don't do much, very simple to operate and learn, therefor stable. Has he ever even used an Android phone?????

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