Sour Grapes department: former webOS investor bashes Android

23. loyals posted on 15 Dec 2012, 09:59 3 22

there is a lot of truth which u r not seeing . apple did transform and rebuild markets like tablets with IPAD and proper operating system for a phone with IPHONE. but android is not innovating but following . all the tablets n phones are derived from iphones/ipads . there's a lot of news about google glasses but sony has made it before n showed many times from past 4-5 years n so again its not completely google's. so where's the new innovation from google? u should really ask yourself that then u have the right to call him that.

28. willard12 posted on 15 Dec 2012, 11:01 22 3

All ipads/iPhones are derived from other tablets and phones. Name one, just 1, thing created from Apple. Everything they are suing over they took/stole from another company. Scroll bounce and slide to unlock are copies. Pull down notifications and answering a call with a message are copies. Their biggest marketing campaigns the last two years come from Siri (bought from Nuance) and 3 year old panorama photos. How it works in this industry is simple....Android tries to implement facial unlock, Apple patents it.

55. loyals posted on 16 Dec 2012, 00:27 0 1

the faicial unlock is already been implemented by apple RnD long time back. so they patented it .so lets not divert the toptic to patents here. the thing is apple is the first successful tablet n it showed others that the market has scope so as usual others just made thiers and followed .

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69. willard12 posted on 16 Dec 2012, 18:25 0 2

Good. So, you can't name even 1 thing created by Apple. I haven't seen facial unlock on any iOS device. Apple takes the ideas of others and makes them popular. They are able to do because Apple has it's on culture of "loyal" followers that will take anything they do and make it popular. This is how products that can't even transfer a file via Bluetooth, support a micro SD card, or use a widget can be seen by some as "innovative." IOS can't do things feature phones were doing 10 years ago and uses the same rows of icons it always has and you say "android does not innovate." I will refer you back to my previous challenge, name 1, just 1, any 1 thing created by apple. Thanks.

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34. jroc74 posted on 15 Dec 2012, 13:45 14 1

If you can sit here and say Android is not innovating, Google is not innovating.....I dont think you know what innovation is.

45. XPERIA-KNIGHT posted on 15 Dec 2012, 17:55 8 0

I litterally TRIED to listen to him and hear him out......but when i got to the part where he said

"Apple showed that a large company can not only innovate, it can transform and really rebuild markets."

I got disgusted and scrolled right on down here! Right then and there i knew he was no different from every other "blind" apple fan.....

Wow..........it really is amazing how powerful denial is

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54. loyals posted on 16 Dec 2012, 00:12 0 0

eh wait...do u remember the first tablet that came out and made revolution in tablet industry ?? u r living in cave or u r just blind android fan .APPLE gave scope to a entire market called tablets n it started it. thats y its always ipads and other tablets . atleast they reinvented n rebuild the dead platform that was author meant to say here. i can see u r a blind android fan thats y u r not seeing the truth . and name 1 , just 1 platform google recently build a new market or atleast rebuild.
pls dont say mobiles...the first mobile app for google was made by apple itself while they didnt even know how to make apps

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63. jroc74 posted on 16 Dec 2012, 07:54 0 0

See, you make a mistake that many Apple fanboys do, not saying you are one....

A product doesnt have to sell alot or be popular to be innovative. Hybrid cars n trucks. Dont sell as much as others, but they are innovative. I never questioned the guy saying Apple transformeded and rebuilt the market. Thats true.

We were talking about innovation. And you claiming Google doesnt. Compare Apple Maps to Google Maps and then tell me again Google doesnt innovate.

Apple didnt start the tablet, smartphone market....they gave it a boost, jumped started it. You might have a case about the iPad, but not the smartphone. Before the iPhone, the 'it' smartphone to have was a Blackberry.

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56. loyals posted on 16 Dec 2012, 00:31 0 0

tell me what google has innovated in past 3 years. android idea itself is from apple when google was working with apple for iphone2g n impressed by the idea that mobiles should have proper operating system. what else bro?? google glasses is again from sony glasses....so please tell me if im miising any innvotions here

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58. groupsacc posted on 16 Dec 2012, 02:25 2 1

Android was bought and existed before iOS.

More to the point, it all depends on one's definition of innovation.

If you define innovation as merely stealing others ideas, then yes, Google and Apple are very innovative.

If you define innovation as inventing something completely new, then no; Google is just a search-engine based company trying to generate revenue from multiple platforms, and Apple is just a copy-and-paste company wrapping up products in nice glittering wraps.

There's no point arguing who's innovative and who's not, cus at the end of the day, our whole world is based on taking other's ideas and "evolutionising".

Had Google not bought Android, we wouldn't be seeing the Android as it is today.

Had Apple not seen Xerox Alto, there wouldn't be no McIntosh.

Had Benz not invented gasoline-powered automobiles, there wouldn't be no Ferraris.

The only reason why Droid fans do not respect Apple is because they hinder others innovations by initiating lawsuits using the very "innovation" they have stolen from others and improved upon.

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62. jroc74 posted on 16 Dec 2012, 07:46 0 0

I already did in my first post in this article.....Google Now.

Google Now was more in house developed vs Siri. Then Siri had to get updated to offer a feature that Google Now had out the gate.

Like I said....if you dont think Google innovates....you dont know what innovation is. Remember, I never said Apple doesnt innovate. They do, IMO Apple just gets too much credit for too many things.

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67. CheapSocks posted on 16 Dec 2012, 14:27 2 0

google puts A LOT of effort into their products. Adding not just features, but enhances the the experience to a whole new level with each update. What has apple done since the release of ios? let's see, drop down notification, OOPS android had that first, multitasking, OOPS android first, panoram-OOPs, you get the point. And not only that, but android actually listens and accepts help from outside developers and letting them take charge every now and then.

25. sats.mine2k4 posted on 15 Dec 2012, 10:40 8 2

No...Hez just too frustrated, unable to compete.. i think the right word for him is down and out...

48. .MISTER.H. (banned) posted on 15 Dec 2012, 18:37 4 1

he's not mad, but he is mad! This guy has no knowledge and is talking jack, uneducated brainwashed cult!

31. smartphone posted on 15 Dec 2012, 12:41 8 1

Just replace Apple with Google and android with IOS and this man speaks the truth.
Apple had innovated some things but its no way leading in innovation department.
The only thing I admire of Apple is their one year smartphone cycle in others companies there's always a beast coming out next month and the temptation never ends.

49. .MISTER.H. (banned) posted on 15 Dec 2012, 18:48 0 0

Your avater represents a typical name for a Apple user!

50. Commentator posted on 15 Dec 2012, 18:51 3 0

Mareep?

18. Droid_X_Doug posted on 15 Dec 2012, 08:54 1 0

Yup, that was my thought as well. Just another 1%-er all pissed off because a bet he made didn't pan out. BTW, he knew the bet was risky going in. Can't stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen.

Motor scooter.... Hahaha!

32. tedkord posted on 15 Dec 2012, 13:01 1 0

I agree with must of what you say, but unless you have a very old laptop, your phone's processor is not faster. It may have a faster GHz cycle, but ARM processors are much less powerful than X86. They do less per clock cycle, but do it much more power efficiently.

53. droidboy posted on 15 Dec 2012, 20:36 0 0

My laptop is not that old but its in no way a top of the line. It has a 1ghrz processor. I was just trying to make the point that smartphones esp android are innovative and powerful. To bad for web os.

39. Sailingmaster posted on 15 Dec 2012, 14:39 2 0

He's drinking Drano or something. But, no one really dethroned Palm except for Palm. They were down and out. The Treo 755 looked too much like a Treo 600, while the iPhone was resculpting the Smartphone world; and Palm got the reputation for being old and clunky. It didn't really matter that the Palm Pre was a pretty good unit and that WebOS was very slick. They couldn't change public perception.

It didn't matter that the pundits all loved it. The public equated Palm with Old Lame Tired Junk. That combined with their total loss of the enterprise market to Blackberry in the years before spelled doom. If ol' Rog up there had gotten some serious marketing research, maybe he wouldn't sound quite so spiteful.

And for that matter, RIM is pretty much in the same boat for consumers. They might gain back some business/government market share, but it will take a miraculously successful launch to resurrect any interest from the consumer market. These days, BB means old junk to the average consumer.

35. gmacattacks posted on 15 Dec 2012, 13:48 4 0

He's just mad that Web OS Failed miserably

37. KFear posted on 15 Dec 2012, 14:14 3 0

Android takes ALL of google's services and it puts itself in the middle as a means to each service. They are also free services and most of them work quite well. Palm failed to do this. Windows, Apple, and Google do this very well. "android doesn't do much." You're career isn't doing much!

46. PotDragon posted on 15 Dec 2012, 17:56 2 0

Spoken like someone who never actually HAD a Palm Pre. I had a Pre & a Pre Plus. There is no question that WebOS blew away both android AND IOS. BTW....you must compare it to Eclair or Gingerbread as those were the versions back then. The 3gs or the ip4 was the iPhone.

Trouble Palm actually had? Complete crap hardware! The slide loosened after WAY TOO light usage making your voice transmit in fragments. I cannot tell you how many handsets i sent back for replacement. Too bad.

65. KFear posted on 16 Dec 2012, 12:21 1 0

I work in wireless and I've had a webos device. Software wise, webos is innovative as hell but it still didn't offer nearly the intergration or the app market. The software had bugs too and tons of memory issues. I agree that the hardware was terrible. My technicians couldn't even mix most of the issues except for the power button having stopped. It did not blow the other experiences out of the water. None of my customers ever really said that. They wanted I phones because of the apps and intergration or android for customization. Webos was a fail in more regards than just hardware. Good idea though.

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71. gmacattacks posted on 17 Dec 2012, 02:31 0 0

also tiny screens hahaha the hp veer was a complete joke in my opinion

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38. Sniggly posted on 15 Dec 2012, 14:29 5 0

That "real expert" threw a lot of money into what is now a dead OS. Clearly he knows so much what he's talking about.

64. jroc74 posted on 16 Dec 2012, 08:10 0 0

Compare that to Matias Duarte that left and joined the Android team about a year before Web OS devcies were killed off by HP.

This guy probably wishes he woulda let his money follow Duarte.

44. tedkord posted on 15 Dec 2012, 17:47 1 0

WebOS was awesome, but Palm paired it with garbage hardware. No one in their right mind thought it was going to take off once we got a look at the Pre and Pixi.

47. parkwaydr posted on 15 Dec 2012, 18:03 1 0

Agree. With this new open web os I would love to see some new stuff. In fact, I think with Samsung dominating android at the moment, companies like HTC should put web os out. Could you imagine a droid DNA level device running web os?