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Sony Xperia S or Samsung Galaxy S II - that is the question!

0. phoneArena 20 Apr 2012, 08:57 posted on

It's once again PhoneArena Knows Best time, and the question that we're dealing with this time comes from our reader Dejan Gogic, who is in a desperate need of a new smartphone...

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posted on 20 Apr 2012, 09:02

1. Captain_Doug (Posts: 997; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)

You buy a friends old phone for $25 and use it until you can buy a phone you won't regret spending $200 on after a couple months.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 20:22

77. GENARAL.LEVY (banned) (Posts: 93; Member since: 17 Apr 2012)

I love both ov them!

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 09:03 1

2. thelegend6657 (unregistered)

But snapdragon s3 on the XperiaS which according to REMIXFA is rubbish

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 09:11 3

4. E34V8 (Posts: 84; Member since: 16 Dec 2011)

Well, it is. Adreno 220 GPU also. I still do not understand why Sony used last year hardware in their new flagman device.
If you want a Qualcomm chipset - the 28nm S4 is the one and that is what they should have used.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 09:34

6. shadowcell (Posts: 300; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)

That's nice and peachy and all but the S4 was developed much later than when the Xperia S was designed.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 10:15 1

12. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)

not much later. thhe s4 benchmarks first appeard in late january-early february. sont could have made the change

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 11:02 2

19. shadowcell (Posts: 300; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)

The S4 SoC wasn't made public till late January while the Xperia made it's debut at CES. Even then, the Xperia was probably designed way back in 2011.

You know I used to be naive thinking to myself how easy it would be to just put a new chip into a phone and expect it work just like it was designed 3 months ago with an different SoC.

But sadly that's not how it works.....

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 21:14

79. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)

when was the Xperia released..not in february. i am saying they had time to put it in, before they released it

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 10:33

14. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

that's why I would pick up S II. It's better when it comes to hardware (except display...and the camera is not better enough to be a dealbreaker). Sony tends to use old hardware in xperia line (let alone the old xperia or x10).

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 11:25

20. r41nier (Posts: 70; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)

Xperia S is better in hardware. Adreno 220 is on par with the mali gpu. GS2 will only perform better in benchmarks becauae of low res screen. The Xperia may be late for this year, but it is a lot better compared to last years phones.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 11:36

22. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

hehe...that's funny...adreno 220 is on par with mali 400..hmmm....

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 19:47

71. r41nier (Posts: 70; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)

yeah. look at the benchmarks.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 19:51 2

73. r41nier (Posts: 70; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/dual-core-snapd ragon-gpu-performance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-b enchmarks/2

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4177/samsungs-galaxy -s-ii-preliminary-performance-mali400-benchmarked

Adreno 220 even owns Mali 400

GLBenchMark 2.0 - Egypt
Adreno 220 38.4 fps
Mali 400MP 16.2 fps
GLBenchMark 2.0 - Pro
Adreno 220 93.6 fps
Mali 400MP 49.1 fps

posted on 22 Apr 2012, 14:04

112. khanmhsn (Posts: 25; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)

i think you are mistaken.....mali gpu is on a par with adreno 220.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 10:41 7

15. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

anyone that thinks the s3 is better than the exynos 4210 is easily fooled by fluffed quadrant I/O scores that are meaningless.

the exynos is more powerful in real life, comes with a much stronger GPU for gaming.. and unlike EVERY S3 enabled phone.. runs android buttery smooth.

the experia has an edge in the camera department (screen is debatable depending on your tech preference) .. the s2 has an edge in just about everything else.. and the s2 should be a bit cheaper..with more mod options, case options, and if its the REAL EXYNOS sgs2 and not the crappy American Hercules / skyrocket sgs2 wannabe, it has official ICS.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 10:48

18. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

I'm wondering...if SE wants to jump so badly in the first league, why does it use old cpu and gpu? Did they splash out buying Ericsson shares?

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 11:50 5

24. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

Fluffed quadrant scores that are meaningless?
You're the one who is fooled.. by HTC's poor implementation of the S3, and Samsung's implementation of it's own Soc(of course that should be an advantage regarding the performance, by default).

Have you ever tried Exynos on anything else than Samsung?
Have you tried Xperia S in real life?
So stop talking BS.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 12:02 3

26. dmn666 (Posts: 244; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

LMAO....that remix fool is funny - lives in his tiny little pathetic samsung world a.k.a. his 'real life'. SGS2 was a great phone in 2011 -but comparing it to XS is freaking ridiculous. XS craps on GS2 in pretty much every department.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 12:34 2

27. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

dude I work in the industry , unlike most here I have played with just about every chip configuration. as big of a qualcomm fanboy defender as you are... maybe its you that needs to broaden their horizons a bit.
I've also played extensively or owned every OS and manufacturer under the sun, save BADA. I even have your precious OneS in my hands right now.

the krait is a fine chip for everyday use. but think that its going to hold a candle to any other 2012 release chip.

the S3 on The other hand is a piece of undeperforming and battery draining junk. and yea HTC just made it worse with sense 3.0. but you know what? on the sgs2 .. which came in both crapdragon and exynos flavors .. was eequal in all respects other than chip. know what the reviews showed? unequivocally that the exynos was the superior chip in real world use in EVERY respect... battery, lag free performance, gpu, the whole nine.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 12:46

29. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

btw I also praise Omap chips. does that make me a moto fanboy? or is it just not liking crapdragon chips that drives u bonkers.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 12:59 4

30. dmn666 (Posts: 244; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

Dude, you play with phones and work in 'the industry'- and I'm a design engineer of chipsets for 'the industry' and buy 5-6 phones every year. I cook ROMs and know pretty well about the benchmarks and associated garbage. So let's leave that aside. You like Exynos - fine and dandy. Real life performance is the ultimate thing. I don't care how S3 performed in Samsung or HTC phones. I have used both GS2 & Xperia S and as I said GS2 feels so 2011 compared to XS. I wont even bother explaining that. Anyone who's used both knows it pretty well. On a side note, Qualcomm knows what they are doing - that's why they are currently the top player in wireless chip industry. While they are selling their s**t to all OEMs, Samsung found an Exynos customer in Meizu - lmao. Btw, I'm not a fanboy - I prefer OMAPs though.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 14:20

33. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

I do quite a bit more than just play with the phones, but i didnt realize this was a peeing competition. lets just leave that behind and get back to civil discourse.

being the biggest player doesnt make you the best. it makes you walmart, which is exactly what qualcomm is. Ive said this many times, qualcomm is less concerned with being the best performance chip and more concerned with being universally acceptable and cheaper than the rest... which is EXACTLY the reason they sell so well.

BTW, the exynos chip is also found in every i4s. Samsung's biggest chip partner is Apple. The A5 chip is a rebranded Exynos with a PowerVR GPU instead of a Mali... which actually makes it the stronger chip of the 2. The only reason it wasnt liscenced out more is because they didnt have the production last year to spread the love. They more than doubled their chip factories and production since then, so expect to see it spread a bit more.

Qualcomm goes for quantity then power. Samsung is going for power first, then quantity. And this time its going to bite Qualcomm square on the ass since their main chip foundry is having problems making S4s. That leaves a big opening for other players like Ti, Samsung, and Nvidia to take up the slack.

And no, unfortunately I have not had access to an experia.. like most people. Its hard to come by. I would like to, just to play with the camera and interface, but I have not had that opportunity. However, sony cant do any magical BS to make the chip work better than everyone else. And they havent done anything to that craptastic GPU on the S3, which is weaker than my old single core SGS1's GPU. That is sad.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 14:39 1

37. dmn666 (Posts: 244; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

LMAO - misinformation - as usual. You said you work in the industry - seriously, dude? It's getting embarrassing for you now. Ax is designed by Apple (originally it was developed by a company called 'intrinsity that got acquired by Apple). Anyone claiming to be in 'the industry' should already know this. Anyways, moving on - they are manufactured by Samsung's fab. Samsung's fab is basically a 3rd tier fab - a common 'industry' knowledge. Now why does Apple use Samsung's fab? Because they are cheap, 3rd tier, and Apple can whoop their tiny ass at will -which might not be feasible with TSMC, UMC. It's just a viable business model. Before you start your BS again about A5 being re-branded Exynos, you should learn the difference between design and manufacturing. One simple example - Foxconn 'manufactures' iphones - they don't 'make' it. Similarly, Samsung 'manufactures' A5 - they DON'T make it.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 14:57

39. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

samsung is tiny little ass? wow, dude...you've got to catch up some news.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 15:01

42. dmn666 (Posts: 244; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

Why don't you read the post properly before you try to sound smart? As a 'FAB", their ass is pretty tiny!

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 15:16

45. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

no it's not.
You're bending reality
and why you have to refer to the back of human body? some anal fixation?

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 15:31 1

52. dmn666 (Posts: 244; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

Awww- poor jack - that IS the reality. Hey don't cry out loud. Samsung is indeed a 3rd tier fab - and it's a common industry knowledge. Why don't you go figure that out yourself? Or do I need to tell you who leads the fab business?

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 15:38

53. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

buehhee...I don't give a crap about samsung...it's just you, boy.
If sammy is on the third place...does it mean he's tiny?

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 16:12

58. dmn666 (Posts: 244; Member since: 19 Oct 2011)

Put this in your 'to-learn' list - "Understanding the difference between '3rd' and '3rd-tier'". LMFAO. Man, in reality it's way worse than what you thought.

posted on 20 Apr 2012, 16:27

60. jackhammeR (Posts: 1548; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

oooo my master, my grand almighty wise mobile wizard. please, oh please explain me the difference.
Geez, boy. You are more retared than I thought. I've just posted I don't give a dam%^ about sammy and I'm not a fanboy and you're trying to convince I should worry about.
Check meaning of "tiny" in a dictionary. Then return and say "I apologize for my lack of knowledge".

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