Softbank acquires 70% of Sprint for $20.1 billion: facts and repercussions
0. phoneArena 15 Oct 2012, 09:22 posted on
Sprint is saved. Japanese carrier Softbank is spending $20.1 billion and takes over 70% of the U.S. third-largest carrier with over 56 million subscribers…
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1. rb68 (Posts: 27; Member since: 23 Apr 2010)
Do you mean third largest in the United States? Or is the US the only large, populous country left with post-pay subscribers?
26. Bernoulli (Posts: 2188; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
I know man this makes no sense! hahaha just T-mobile alone has over 120 million subscribers, out of which 32 million are here in the US! let's see firts is Telefonica, second is Vodafone, third is orange, fourth is T-Mobile, it has to be US only man :P
38. thunder18 (Posts: 117; Member since: 06 Aug 2009)
I thought T-Mobile was Deutsch Telecom outside the United States?
40. Bernoulli (Posts: 2188; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Glad you got my point and I didn't need to explain!! Yai!! :) & sorry America tel is actually third, hehe silly me leaving out the richest man in the world's phone company, so just move them after the third :)
2. MartyK (Posts: 729; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
This is a great move; to keep Sprint a float; now the can focus on the business of getting advance LTE rolling out swiftly; (now to get Tmobile LTE) up and this should put pressure on ATT & Verizon to lower their prices
3. richardyarrell2011 (banned) (Posts: 510; Member since: 16 Mar 2011)
Tmobile pimp slaps Sprint and Verizon senseless...
4. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
How do you figure that? There are many markets, including where I reside, that Tmobile's coverage is laughable compared to Verizon, even Sprint. If you can back that up with facts, then I will give you your props, but in my market, no way is what you just said true.
6. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
your market is not the entire US. There are other markets where the reverse is true. Here in Jax, Fl is one of them. Tmobile and VZW have the best coverage here around the city. Sprint has glaring holes even within the city and ATT used to have to have repeaters in the stores so they could activate devices.
Sprint has more coverage area over all than Tmobile, but that's only because Tmo does not cover huge swaths of rural area like VZW and Sprint. Since most people dont live in rural areas it makes very little difference in real life to most people.
10. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
I realize that remix, and tend to agree with most of your posts. That said, no network pimp slaps Verizon's senseless in the US.
I understand that different locations have different results for different providers, but overall, no network beats Verizon, and overall, as you said, Sprint does have more coverage than Tmobile.
Just trying to get someone to back up their nonsensical comment, that's all remix. His comment is akin to one Taco would make about the iPhone lol.
17. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
EXACTLY. Overall it's clearly understood that Verizon has the best coverage hands down, sure some cities this might flip flop but Verizon in EVERY state has more coverage than anyone, so that means that NATIONALLY Verizon is king.
For anyone to say what was posted is CLEARLY 100% disingenuous with themselves.
29. Bernoulli (Posts: 2188; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
eh no, at least not where I live. If you go out too into the country, sprint loses signal, whereas T-mobile and verizon still have coverage, by no means does sprint have better signal than T-mobile bro, from actual experience I had with friends who were unfortunate to have sprint.
34. lsutigers (Posts: 795; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)
This varies market by market but generally speaking, Sprint has much better coverage that T-Mobile and as mentioned before, Verizon has the best coverage nationwide. Although I travel a lot and my Sprint work phone works in almost all places my Verizon phone works.
Do yourself a favor put on a pink suit, you could be the next Carly with all your TMO propaganda.
37. Bernoulli (Posts: 2188; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
I'm not sure about that, I've seen some charts where T-Mobile holds more spectrum and does have better coverage, post us a link where we can see where sprint has better coverage than sprint, I'm very curios since in my area sprint gets outpaced by leap wireless
44. ErikSax (Posts: 21; Member since: 20 May 2009)
Not true here. Where I am, T-Mobile P-slaps all of the other carriers. From what I hear, a static-filled, artifact ruined conversation spread equally across the entire US is a joke. Some of the everywhere networks should perfect their conversations where the signal is 100% at peak and available before spreading their messy, unintelligible voice communications to adjacent towers claiming, we cover the entire US. Please listen to a conversation on a T-Mobile phone where there IS a signal and compare it to your everywhere network in 2012, not from memory.
48. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
I can do just that on my HTC Rezound, and NEVER have call quality problems in my market. The joke is thinking Tmobile has better coverage than ATT, especially Verizon.
Besides, IF it is a static-filled conversation, I go many places Tmobile wouldn't have a prayer of picking up a data signal, and would be lucky to have a voice signal.
Don't take my word for Verizon's network quality. Just ask JD Power & Associates. The facts are the facts bro. Verizon has best network. Period.
24. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Northen Michigan T-Mobile does not have any service what so ever. Many million of people live in rural area and not in big city. Remixfa never have fact. Look at what he say about the A6 and how it is a re-brand samsung processor. And now we all know he is full of it.
7. HowMyDictate (Posts: 18; Member since: 18 Jun 2012)
He never has facts. He just bashes other companies (especially Verizon) for really no apparent reason. Ignoring facts like best network and best customer service, he re-writes history in his own mind to pump t-mobile up. Besides a hot mascot T-mobile is pathetic in a lot of areas. But they are affordable...
15. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Im no fan of Verizon but they have the best network. Im personally a Sprint guy and a very satisfied one at that, but ill give credit where credit is due.
18. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
A VERY truthful & honest post. Just stating facts & nothing more.
+1 to you. If I could give more I would.
42. glentomas123 (Posts: 70; Member since: 01 Jun 2011)
I live in a fairly large market here in the US (LOS ANGELES!!!). I am a Sprint customer because of there lower cost of service vs ATT and VZN. SPRINT sucks eggs!!! No LTE here and the charge you $10 extra dollars for owning an LTE phone with no LTE service!!!! WTH!! I don't know how heavy data users afford VZN or ATT. Thinking of leaving Sprint for cause and switching to TMO.
27. Bernoulli (Posts: 2188; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
It's true here in Texas at least, and unlike Verizon T-mobile brings everything, from a fast, truly unlimited 4G to a really cheap, budget friendly price, that's how T-mobile owns Sprint, Verizon and at&t, and at least with T-mobile we don't have extra charges like with sprint, where you have to pay extra 10$ for "Smart phone usage" WTF?!
32. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
Full disclosure, I am an agent for Verizon, I don't hide it, but listening to people where I am, Verizon by far has the best service, and the only 4G LTE service. The only people that can come close to my coverage or speeds are the people that also have Verizon.
Living in the southeast as I do, Tmobile just does not have great coverage. I have had ATT, Sprint, and Cellular South(now C Spire), and no one comes close to Verizon's coverage in my area.
Different things work for different people in different areas. Nothing wrong with that.
36. Bernoulli (Posts: 2188; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Hehe true :) & I also happen to live in sooth east, Beaumont Texas lol and with a 42mbps phone (blaze 4G) I've beaten LTE from Verizon in downloading, sure our speeds aren't top, but they're very consistent
41. Bernoulli (Posts: 2188; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Hmm I'm not sure about the only LTE service....that's a little retarded, and AT&T's LTE is faster than Verizon lol :)
43. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
Where I live, Verizon is the only company with LTE. Trust me, I work in the industry, and like to keep up on who has what where I am making my living. And, no one's HSPA+ network can keep up with my LTE download speeds, and especially the upload speeds.
46. Bernoulli (Posts: 2188; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
I don't doubt you, and i thought we were talking about nationwide and not just where each of us in particular lives???
45. HowMyDictate (Posts: 18; Member since: 18 Jun 2012)
First of all T-mobile doesnt have 4g. They woke up one day and said, dang verizon is launching LTE what do we do? I know we will call our 3g 4g to confuse customers and we havie it nationwide already. Just beacuse its faster than cdma 3g so many people fall for it....
47. Bernoulli (Posts: 2188; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
No they did it because t-mobile's speeds are comparable to LTE, they outstand sprint for that matter, or metro's LTE, and it's, if we want to be technical, 3.75G not just plain 3G, and even then, t-mobile's 3G is the fastest one in the market.
49. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
That is about correct, Tmobile has about 3.75G lol. I'm not saying it's bad. When you can get it, it's solid. But, Tmobile's area is mostly limited to urban areas more than anything, which does work for many people. But, there are many people who live and do business in more rural areas, and that tends to be where Verizon's overall network shines above most others'. Tmobile is faster than Sprint, their coverage is close, but ATT, and then Verizon beat out both in terms of overall coverage.
Like it or not, Verizon is king when it comes to overall coverage.
50. Bernoulli (Posts: 2188; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Just in coverage, but not in consumer friendly prices by any means, or plans for that matter, i went to the apple store and for Verizon, the only choice was to just get a shared plan for 40$ and that gives me 300 mb, i thought the guy was being AT&T bias but no it's true, with t-mobile i pay 20$ for unlimited Web, no throttling at all, and so far in the month I've used 6 gigabytes, so yeah coverage to places i have no interest in visiting, Verizon wins, free unlocking of my phone for when i need to travel outside of the US(oh yeah, if we want to be technical, all t-mobile phones have world coverage, unlike Verizon since it's gsm) along with average download of 14 mbps with peaks of 22 mbps, and a very cheap bill, t-mobile wins.
16. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
T-Mobile's prices are nice but their coverage is just nowhere NEAR the level of Verizon. Verizon has the most coverage hands down with out equal. There is no one alive that can dispute that.
That is fact just like the oceans of our planet are made of water.
You usually have some good comments but this one is CLEARLY not one of your best.
21. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
The money tmo pay could well spent better phones more towers. You don't see sprint have a mascot chick in a red dress.
31. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1693; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Right they just have their CEO in them, that's much cheaper...
ps its magenta
35. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
I must be half asleep when I wrote this... Stupid!!!!
39. meowcenary (Posts: 187; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
I could never understand the way the need for a spokes model for t-mobile. Maybe it's eye candy for us guys? It's a waste of money right there.
As for better phone, you can't get better than what is on their resume. What are you expecting? Their phone resume is as impressive as the other telecomm providers, short of lacking a iphone.
30. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4163; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Verizon does have more coverage than T-Mobile, but I stick with T-Mo because of unlimited data and the fact it's GSM. Plus, the closest LTE market is 60 miles away from me, while T-Mo has HSPA+ right in my town. I usually get about 7-10 down, and that is one impressive feat in my little country town where everyone else is on Verizon and is stuck on 3G.
5. ajac09 (Posts: 1402; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
aka this does nothing for sprint today or tomrrow or even by christmas but it gives sprint cash to spend.
8. axllebeer (Posts: 268; Member since: 05 Apr 2011)
True, but it's cash they very much need to continue to improve the network. I hope that's a priority for them when they get this cash. In a years time we should see Sprints network lightyears ahead if where it is now. Here's hoping.
9. moofoodooloo (Posts: 137; Member since: 04 Jan 2011)
Don't expect to wake up tomorrow and have LTE. Expect business as usual for atleast another 12 months.
11. simplyj (Posts: 404; Member since: 23 Dec 2009)
So this leaves AT&T as the only fully owned American cell phone carrier in the United States.
28. Bernoulli (Posts: 2188; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
no kidding man! haha even Simple mobile is owned by Carlos Slim!!
14. theBankRobber (Posts: 649; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
God I can't wait to leave Sprint and their s**tty slow speeds. Got full bars and still have 200kbs speeds. Im done with Sprint, now to decide ether Verizon or AT&T which will be my next carrier.
19. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Actually they saved Dan Hesse from his iPhone deal.
20. Jeradiah3 (Posts: 1011; Member since: 11 Feb 2010)
This is a good move for Sprint and the best move theyve had in a while. I wonder what new owner will do with Sprint because this would only be a good deal if its in their favor. you dont want a "dictator" like owner of a company thats barely holding itself together
22. johnbftl (Posts: 240; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)
This is going to be a financial disaster. Softbank is still trying to recoup from their iPhone blunder in Japan, and from overpaying for the Vodafone merger in 2008. They don't have the capital right now to invest in Sprint. Not to mention Sprint right now is financially in the toilet after their debacle buying Nextel, overpaying for the iPhone, losing subscribers for consecutive quarters on end before the release of the iPhone, and putting a complete idiot in charge as CEO in Dan Hesse who was run out of town at AT&T and forced AT&T to sell off their original wireless division to SBC because it was doing so poorly and he insisted that they stick with analog TDMA instead of upgrading their network. Softbank better oust this moron if they hope to have any chance of surviving.
25. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
How was it a blunder when those deal help them become the 2nd largest telecom in Japan?
33. johnbftl (Posts: 240; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)
They're still financially in the hole. Softbank's CEO promised no acquisitions until 2014 because they could not financially support another merger, let alone one of this magnitude. Sprint is in terrible shape, there is no denying that. This is a bad investment.
23. NestorCampos89 (Posts: 5; Member since: 15 Oct 2012)
I really hope Sprint doesn't change its logo and theme, the SoftBank logo's plain and ugly, there website looks like a knock-off of Apple's site! I've liked Sprint brand and color scheme since it changed after the Nextel merger. I really hope the company doesn't change much, just in coverage and customer service!