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109. dmckay12 posted on 17 Aug 2012, 13:53 2 1

He said that because Qualcomm designs their own chips, but licences the ARM instruction set. It is their own tech that is like ARM and works on the same instruction set so it can be used for OSs that are designed for ARM chips (android).

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115. remixfa posted on 19 Aug 2012, 09:33 0 1

bing bing,
DMC gets the cookie. Sorry SAE, he's right. :)

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118. SuperAndroidEvo posted on 20 Aug 2012, 07:06 1 0

Dude it's ARM based. Meaning it's still ARM. It's like a Lexus. Yes it's a Lexus but it's STILL Toyota based. Another example, the Smart car, yes it's a Smart car but it's still a Mercedes Benz. I can keep going but it's very futile. If it was Qualcomm's design it would not be ARM based.

ARM based is it's foundation, meaning it's ARM.

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119. remixfa posted on 20 Aug 2012, 08:12 0 2

its futile because its not. Snapdragon and Krait are custom designs. They retain the instructions necessary to retain full ARM compatibility but they are not ARM designs. The Exynos, OMAP and even Tegra are arm based (the first 2 being nearly pure ARM with tweaks)

Its more like trying to say a motorcycle is the same as a car since you can drive it, it has wheels, and goes on the same roads. However they are not the same.

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124. SuperAndroidEvo posted on 21 Aug 2012, 08:03 0 0

No remixfa, it's more my example than your example.

If Qualcomm really made their own chips then why have a license from ARM? Qualcomm has a distinct advantage over ARM. They make the modems, radios & other essential parts that ALL OEMs use in their mobile products. Qualcomm indeed uses ARM tech to make their chips.

When Lexus makes a car they use Toyota tech to do so. I don't see Lexus using Ford parts or making their own parts. They use Toyota tech thus Toyota based, just like Qualcomm's chips are ARM based.

Also Honda makes their VFR1200F street bike, with Honda tech. Guess what a Honda Accord is a car & the VFR1200F is a motorcycle but they use Honda tech so guess what they are all Hondas. It's not the same thing but it's based off Honda tech.

So if Exynos & OMAP are "pure ARM with tweaks" then why can't Krait be like Tegra then. A highly modded ARM design that is not "pure ARM with tweaks" as you say?

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125. remixfa posted on 21 Aug 2012, 08:13 1 0

umm.. because a lexus IS a Toyota dressed up in leather and nicer tech. Same company. lol

Bad example, and your still wrong. :)

Honda uses their moto tech in cars and vice versa. Ever heard of the Honda S-2000? Thats a motorcycle tech based engine in it. :) Its meant ride high RPMs often just like a motorcycle.... something normal cars are not meant to do.

Krait cant be like tegra because Tegra is still ARM with tweaks just like Exynos and Omap (the last 2 examples are more "true" to the designs). Krait is not a tweaked ARM design. Krait is its own custom Q design that retains ARM compatibility and instruction sets so it can be compatible with more devices. The advantage is that they can bring it to market faster since they work on their own timeline instead of waiting for ARM to update and then tweak from that. The disadvantage is that so far they have been consistently in last or near last place when compared to ARM based chip sets of the same year.

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126. SuperAndroidEvo posted on 21 Aug 2012, 10:27 0 0

Yes that is called VTEC. About the Honda.

Now here is a quote: "Qualcomm has an ARM architecture license enabling it to build its own custom micro architectures that implement the ARM instruction set. This is similar to how AMD has an x86 license but designs its own chips rather than just producing clones of Intel processors"

Link:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4940/qualcomm-new-snapdragon-s4-msm8960-krait-architecture

It's simple, ARM is clay, from that clay you can make anything. Like the Qualcomm Krait. It's still ARM. Just like clay is clay. From the same clay you can make a jar, a plate, a mug, a lizard, a box & so on & so on. Yes it's clay bit it's outcomes are all 100% different.

ARM is the base & with out that base there would be no Exynos, Tegra, OMAP & Krait. It would only be ARM if ARM didn't give their license to Samsung, NVIDIA, Texas Instruments & Qualcomm.

I really don't know how else to say it.

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127. remixfa posted on 21 Aug 2012, 10:42 1 0

forehead smack commencing. OI

You do realize that your quote supports me and not you right? Im not going to even touch the AMD/intel part because I think that would just make matters more confusing.

Lets put it into car terms since you like that. The above quote is like government mandatory minimum car requirements (instruction sets) to operate on the road (android is the road).

Basically the licence Qualcomm uses is like the government saying "in order to run on the road you need head lights, blinkers, safety belts, go this fast, ect". Or in tech terms "in order to be compatible with mobile OS's, you need to have these minimum instruction sets and ARM compatibilities since mobile OS's are based on our tech.

Now complying with the government's rules doesn't make every car on the road a ford does it? of course not. That would be silly.
Qualcomm would be Chevy if ARM is Ford. Chevy learned how to make cars from Ford way back in the day and complies with some same basic principals to maintain road compatibility/safety, but they are definitely not Fords.

Samsung,Ti, and Nvidia would be more like Shelby and Saleen. They are taking the predesigned ford mustang (ARM chip design) and modding the heck out of it to create a separate product. Underneath its still a mustang, but its been customized for a different customer.

Does that make it easier to understand? I dont really know how else to phrase it.

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128. SuperAndroidEvo posted on 21 Aug 2012, 12:07 0 0

This is just going to go on & on. This is a you say tomato I say tomahto type of deal. lol

Lets wait for the next chip article. Truce until the next article. lol

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129. remixfa posted on 21 Aug 2012, 13:24 0 0

yea, but I'm saying tomato and your saying potato. lol.

truce would indicate an argument. I am simply trying to correct a misconception you have. I'm not arguing with you. :)

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130. SuperAndroidEvo posted on 21 Aug 2012, 14:03 0 0

I know. This is fun though. I love conversing with you about this. We should talk about this at the local tavern downing for brews & some shots while eating some wings. lol

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131. remixfa posted on 21 Aug 2012, 14:38 0 0

I know good places for that around town. Your welcome to come out for a beer.. but isnt the gas going to be quite expensive for you? lol Dont you live in CA? I live in FL. :) I'll buy your first beer. lol

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132. SuperAndroidEvo posted on 22 Aug 2012, 07:11 0 0

I am not that far, I am in NC. I am one of many who left NYC for the cheaper prices of NC.

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