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Snapdragon S4 Pro with Adreno 320 graphics is the first to top the new iPad's PowerVR GPU

0. phoneArena 16 Aug 2012, 04:48 posted on

For the first time we have something else than the new iPad on top of the GLBenchmark test, and it is an LG E970 device with Snapdragon S4 Pro and Adreno 320 GPU...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 19 Aug 2012, 20:14

117. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


When I was at school, I got 30 mb/s on Verizon LTE. It made posting to Facebook and looking up worksheet answers a lot quicker than Verzon's 3G. BTW Quadrant and Antutu scores show quad core scores higher than dual core scores, even if the dual core is more powerful.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 08:14

120. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


notice how I made specific mention of how people on CDMA carriers like VZW and Sprint need the faster speeds? VZW/Sprint 3G gets real world of about 0.5-1.5mb/s. Its frikkin slow.

ATT and Tmobile get up to 7mb/s on "3g", and can easily use the 21mb/s found on an exynos.

Anything over about 10-15mb/s on a phone is unnoticeable unless you are downloading LARGE files. For internet, regular apps, docs, ect, its all darn near instant.

posted on 19 Aug 2012, 07:23 1

111. Peecha (Posts: 1; Member since: 19 Aug 2012)


S4 >> E4 !

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/24/qualcomm-snapdragon-s4-pro-apq8064-benchmark/

posted on 19 Aug 2012, 09:25

113. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


thats the S4 PRO, not the S4. know your chips.

posted on 30 Sep 2012, 18:17

134. IHateApple (banned) (Posts: 122; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


I really really hope Krait v3 at least equals Cortex A15.

posted on 30 Sep 2012, 18:14

133. IHateApple (banned) (Posts: 122; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


Different cache system, different pipeline depth. Thats quite a differenc. But for that you have to know CPUs.

posted on 30 Sep 2012, 18:35

135. IHateApple (banned) (Posts: 122; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


Phonearena are liers. According to GLBenchmark's website:-

http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&showhide=false&certified_only=1&D1=LG%20E970&D2=Apple%20iPhone%205&D3=Apple%20iPad%203

GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD C24Z16 - Offscreen (1080p):

LG E970:- 2867
iPad 3:- 3017
iPhone 5:- 3237

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 05:15 1

5. OpTiMuS_BlAcK (Posts: 418; Member since: 04 May 2012)


w00t GO LG!

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 05:25

6. w595vsgamit (Posts: 8; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)


now that's innovation!!

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 05:58 1

7. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1540; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


Daniel: It's TylerGrunter! It's not my name but the nickname I use in PA forums.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 05:58 4

8. i_am_aman (Posts: 13; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)


Qualcomm #FTW

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 06:44 1

11. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


yeah, i know for sure the OMAP5 can beat this by a somewhat healthy margin now.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:00

13. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


lol, real nice Qualcomm fans! ;D

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:25 3

17. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4861; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Look I am tired of speculation. All I know that the S4 Krait Pro dual-core is the BEST in the world right now. It's going to be released by LG & HTC VERY soon. It beat the new iPad's PowerVR GPU. So there is a new KING.

#1, Qualcomm's Adreno 320
#2, Apple's PowerVR GPU
#3, Samsung's Mali

It looks like the ARM A15 will not make it to a phone this year or if it does it will be X'mas 2012. So like I said I am done with speculation because everyone is like wait until the ARM A15 dual-core, then I can counter it with the Qualcomm S4 Krait Pro quad-core.

Fact is that Qualcomm is ahead in their development compared to their competition.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:31 1

20. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


all Qualcomm is is ahead in their development. TI and Samsung make better quality SoCs. we can already see that the OMAP5 and the Exynos 5250 can beat the S4 Pro.

i can about bet you that the next Nexus will use an OMAP5. remember it's Google's reference platform just like the Snapdragon is for Microsoft.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 10:38 4

24. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


KingKurogi you usually have valid arguments but how do you figure TI and Samsung make better SoC?

Currently all 4 US variations of the GSIII use Qualcomm because of the better SoC in terms of LTE, versus the European version of the GSIII that uses an Exynos because it doesnt have LTE.

Also, according to reports, TI is considering exiting the Mobile phone market because of the competition.

...Just asking for your thoughts

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 10:50 3

26. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


The SGS3 in america has the S4 because carriers demand integrated LTE and HSPA+ 42. That is the ONLY reason for the switch out. Carriers want to be able to wave their "4g" flags and impossible to reach max theoretical limits instead of using a chip thats much stronger. That's harder to market to the masses who dont know jack about chips.

Those reports were investors asking TI to exit the business, not TI itself. There is no reason to think that TI will get out of the biggest growth vector in the chip market today. That would be ludacris. Those investors care about their short term gain. TI as most companies, are worried about long term. Getting out of this vector is a horrible long term move.

Samsung makes the strongest chips of each of the last few generations. Their next chip, the Exynos5 is going to continue that trend by a wide margin, even against the S4 pro which barely outclasses the current Exynos 4412.

Ti, though weirdly silent so far, made the 2nd best chip of the last 2 generations just slightly behind exynos and Hummingbird from samsung. Both chip families spring from the same tree at ARM. Other than individual tweaks from the manufacturers, the biggest difference is the choice of GPUs. Samsung however is better at tweaking the actual CPU for performance.

There is no reason to think Ti is getting out of the market, I'd just put that out of your mind.

Also, Qualcomm holds the keys to integrated LTE with american frequencies and they are not sharing. That is the reason why they are the only ones with that solution. Ti's silence might be because it is still ironing out its own work around much like samsung is being forced to do.

However, if Samsung and Ti ever do get integrated LTE working, that will be a death knell to Q.

No matter what some of our resident Crapdragon fanboys will tell you, Samsung has a commanding lead in this industry. They make chips for OVER 50% of all smartphones. The SGS 1,2,3 and Note by themselves are the majority of all android sales + the Apple A4/A5/A5x chips are made by samsung as well and are more or less just rebranded Exynos chips.

Qualcomm's biggest customer is Samsung. Once Samsung fixes their LTE, they wont need Qualcomm any more which will hurt Q as much as it helps Samsung.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:37 1

35. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


ah, i've missed you remixfa my friend. xD

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:43 1

68. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Yea, I was just thinking that we havent had a good chip debate thread in a while....

and poof.. here it is :)

How have you been KK :)

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 16:16

75. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


can't complain. you?

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 16:29 1

84. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


hell no, Just ended another semester of school. One more left till graduation in december. cant frikkin wait. I like making money, not being a poor student.. lol

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 16:43 1

86. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


yeah, i know the feeling. xD

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 19:30 1

100. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


"Carriers want to be able to wave their "4g" flags and impossible to reach max theoretical limits instead of using a chip thats much stronger. That's harder to market to the masses who dont know jack about chips."

Exactly though man.....Its not about who's got the fastest chip its about satifying "EVERYONE" and doing what you are demanding will only satisfy people who "do know" jack about chips.......

.pride is a bad thing man you are acting as if the S4 dual and the S4 pros will not be enough to do any thing and everything you want on a phone.....and just like you say carriers wanna "wave" their 4g signs......well you wanna "wave" your benchmark speeds in the air just to say "Im faster than you"...........come on dude stoop down a little......qualcomm is going to be the standard chip for some time to come simply because it is doing well in ALL areas....

posted on 17 Aug 2012, 10:14

107. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its only "the standard" in America because of their lockdown on LTE integration in the US.

"the standard" by actual sales numbers is Samsung by a wide wide wide margin. Again, for the 900th time, samsung alone sells well more than half of all androids sold. Almost all non US samsung phones are run by samsung chips. ALL apple phones are run by samsung chips.
Qualcomm's biggest customer is samsung because of the US chip switch out demanded by carriers. Once samsung gets integrated LTE working, that switch out will end quickly, which will be a huge blow to Q.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:35 1

34. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


right now yeah, Qualcomm has the market on lock but the only reason that has happened is because of Qualcomm's lock on LTE support here in the US. same thing would have happened last year if the US Carriers had their LTE and HSPA+ 42mbps networks as wide spread as they do now because for like the first half of 2011 most phones were powered by Nvidia's Tegra II which wasn't LTE compatible but didn't have to be and Qualcomm's S3 because they were the first to market but then later in the year TI came out with the OMAP4, it was better, it supported LTE and it held it's lead until when? the Ones came to the States? Qualcomm did have that head start though and that's how they operate, they come to market with the next best thing first but later they're ultimately outclassed. same thing will happen here. it seems like TI is taking their time but they're working on an SoC that can easily rival the S4 Pro and while Adreno Graphics have come a long, long way i'll always bet money on PowerVR Graphics which is TI's GPU series of choice. Apple has been using PowerVR Graphics for years if that's any indication and their PowerVR SGX544(MP4) should stay well ahead of the Adreno 320 if what we're looking at is true. i wouldn't expect the Exynos 5250 anytime soon but i wouldn't expect a quad-core S4 Pro anytime soon either. not many manufacturers are going to want to follow up their S4 Pro devices with S4 Pro Quad devices too soon even if they are ready. HTC and LG are about due for S4 Pro devices because their last big launches were quite a few months ago, same for Motorola if they play their cards right they can just skip right into the Pros.and as for Samsung, they won't follow up their recent launches so soon but when they do come out with something worthy of the 5250 it better be LTE compatible or i'll be quite disappointed in them.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:27

47. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4861; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Again just more speculation. We are all doing it. All I want to say is that the power from all these chips are getting crazier & crazier. Right now we couldn't tell the difference which chip is stronger just based on real life usage.

This is a just fun competitive banter. They are all GREAT POWERFUL chips, BUT the age of the Crapdragon is completely DEAD. Qualcomm makes a hell of a chip & it's about time it gets the RESPECT it deserves. To me it's funny that a dual-core S4 Pro puts the hurting on a quad-core Exynos 4. Just shows you the level of brilliance at Qualcomm.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:43 1

49. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


yeah, i completely agree with you. notice i'm not a benchmark whore like i used to be. it really doesn't matter anymore. i'm really happy with my Razr but you can give me an S4 powered Razr HD or an OMAP5 powered Razr HD and i'll be happy either way. i definitely respect Qualcomm more after this year but they still have work to do before they can topple my proven faith in Samsung and TI.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:58

51. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4861; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


I can respect that comment. I am cool with any chip out there. Exynos, OMAP, & Krait are all fabulous chips plain & simple.

I am with you 100%.

+1

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:46

70. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


how about this.

I will officially stop calling it crapdragon when the S4-Pro is available on US shelves for retail in phones. At that point, even being the worst of whats coming out next is still pretty damn powerful. :)

The under-powered GPU on the S4 most definitely deserves the crapdragon moniker. UGH. Had they had the new pro in the american SGS3, I probably would have picked one up. The Adreno 225 in the regular S4 is just pitiful though.

However, if/when we get to the point where they actually how to figure out how to take the pro/E5/Omap5 to their max stress points, then the name is back on if its still in last place. But that should be a good while from now. :)

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 16:08 1

73. kingpet13 (Posts: 139; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)


Remixfa, normally you are ao much smarter than this. The gpu on the s4 is not underpowered. It is one of the most powerful available. Also the s4 pro is comeing this year to China. To say that snapdragon still sucks, because for marketing purpouses they released a weaker processer in america is just illogical. I mean China right now has the biggest smartphone market not America. Alos i just want to say that the s4 may not be the best in the future but it is now and has been for a few months. It is certainatley no longer a Crapdragon.

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