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Snapdragon S4 Pro with Adreno 320 graphics is the first to top the new iPad's PowerVR GPU

0. phoneArena 16 Aug 2012, 04:48 posted on

For the first time we have something else than the new iPad on top of the GLBenchmark test, and it is an LG E970 device with Snapdragon S4 Pro and Adreno 320 GPU...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 08:14

120. remixfa (Posts: 14327; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


notice how I made specific mention of how people on CDMA carriers like VZW and Sprint need the faster speeds? VZW/Sprint 3G gets real world of about 0.5-1.5mb/s. Its frikkin slow.

ATT and Tmobile get up to 7mb/s on "3g", and can easily use the 21mb/s found on an exynos.

Anything over about 10-15mb/s on a phone is unnoticeable unless you are downloading LARGE files. For internet, regular apps, docs, ect, its all darn near instant.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 08:40

121. remixfa (Posts: 14327; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


1) your argument makes no sense. Ti has their own tweaks to their base ARM architecture.
They are bound to Samsung for design and fabrication. SUPPOSEDLY that's supposed to change with the A6 chip which is supposed to be pure Apple, but we havent heard a peep about that in a long time. The A4, A5, A5x chips are all Samsung upgrades to the chip except the GPU.

I dont have a bias. No company pays me a dime to have a bias. I just want "the best" that I can get. I compare each generation amongst itself and figure it out through reading data sheets, various articles, and bench marks. If the E5 and Pro were doing a side by side and the Pro beat the crap out of the E5, I would give total recognition to Q and poke fun at samsung. However that just hasnt happened yet. So far each generation has been consistent with Sammy and Ti taking first and 2nd and Qualcomm and Nvidia battling for 3rd and 4th. Thats not bias.. thats just reality.

I think you mean 1Mbps upload. Its capable of 82mb/s download at its current max if it were to be implemented. Yea, 21/42mbs is plenty fast. I can play Diablo 3 on my computer with my 3G SGS1 tethered and its faster than my crappy DSL connection im forced to have.
I stick with GSM for now because there are a thousand more phone choices, the plan is WAAAAAAAAY cheaper through Tmobile, and the mod community is exponentially larger.

The Adreno 225 nearly/about as fast as the Mali400 in the SGS2, but in most tests the over clocked Mali400 in the SGS3 blows it away. Check those off screen tests for non FPS limited runs.

Anandtech benchmarks never lie.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-revie w-international-and-tmobile/3

this is the newer version of GLBenchmark. There is an issue in some of these tests though with exynos that needs to be patched by the dev though. Still gives a good indication on the tests that do work.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6126/glbenchmark-25- performance-on-ios-and-android-devices/2

for reference, here is how the Exynos stacks up against the Pro in Vellamo, which is of course Qualcomm's home grown benchmark to only test the parts that make them look good (well known, not fanboy, look it up lol). The Pro beats the E4 quad, but not by a whole lot.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6112/48700 .png

Also, while looking at Anandtech, I came across this prelim OMAP5 benchmark that Ti did with the GL2.5 bench that I linked to a sec ago. It just barely edges out the A5x in the Ipad3. Of course the OMAP isnt ready for prime time yet like the S4 Pro obviously is, so we will see how those scores progress. Again, no scores count until its on a retail bought phone. Prelim benchmarks are not to be trusted.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5892/ti-shows-off-om ap5430-gpu-performance-before-computex

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 08:58

122. Hunt3rj2 (Posts: 396; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


1. I wasn't claiming that OMAP is designed by Samsung, but under your very loose interpretation of who designs semiconductors, that's what you'd be claiming.There's a difference between being bound to a company because they're the only ones with enough fab capacity to support you, and having the company actually design it. This is just like how TSMC does not design GPUs, Nvidia and ATI/AMD do.

2. Of course no company pays you, but you don't need to deny that you have a certain bias in the way of what you focus upon. It's perfectly fine to have one. I'm saying that you cannot weigh the worth of an SoC purely upon it's CPU and especially the GPU.

3. I didn't say the max theoretical download rate. It is completely possible to see 1 Mbps on HSPA+ on the downstream if you are using your phone during a time that other people are actually awake and loading the cell tower. I can get 10 Mbps on my phone using HSPA+, but it's worthless when the only time it happens is at 4 in the morning. Oh, and T-Mobile's DC-HSPA+ can only be reasonably expected to hit 10 Mbps or so, and peaking up in the 20 Mbps range. Yes, it doubles if you have DC-HSPA+ 84, but that takes spectrum that almost no one has, and uses up more battery than the equivalent LTE solution. HSPA+ is on it's way to becoming a legacy network for circuit switched fallback and basic data. LTE should be for HD voice and true broadband internet speeds.

4. Sure the Mali 400 in the SGS3 destroys the Adreno 225, but I have yet to see anything that even comes close to challenging the GPU of the SGS2. It's fine as a stop-gap, and the fact that the Snapdragon S4 brings integrated LTE baseband, GPS receiver, WiFi, Bluetooth, GSM, and WCDMA all in one makes it a far better solution than Exynos, especially in the US where there's currently a huge movement towards LTE and DC-HSPA+.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 13:29

123. remixfa (Posts: 14327; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


I rarely ever get less than 2-3mb/s during peak downtime in the middle of a large city. Like everything, it all depends on where you live. I know VZW peeps that rarely see double digits on LTE and have never seen 20s.
Tmobile's 42mb/s regularly gets in the teens and 20s in real world speed tests. Dont know where you got that. According to the last PC mag test, VZW just barely edged them out on a national scale. And at less than half the price of a VZW plan, I can live with that.

Actually HSPA+84 is more spectrum efficient than LTE that peeps are currently using. Tmo will soon have LTE 10, which will convert to LTE-A (which is more spectrum efficient than HSPA 84) with a software upgrade, and it will have 42mb/s to fall back to. So it will be super fast with a side of fast... and it will still be half the price. The only reason Tmo decided to drop HSPA+84 which was supposed to launch in 2012/2013, was that peeps were demanding LTE so they are caving to market pressure to make sure they can use all the right code words for advertisement.
GSM is going to be a legacy network... in like 10 years. That's not something I'm worried about for my next upgrade.. or the one after. VZW is going to start to try to phase out CDMA in 2015/2016 depending on how fast they can cover their entire spectrum in LTE. CDMA is the legacy, not GSM lol.

The SGS2 and SGS3 use the same GPU so I dont understand your statement. The mali400 in the SGS3 is just over clocked compared to the mali400 in the SGS2.

Yes, integration is the better solution which is Q's only real edge on competition since they OWN that tech. Since they wont cross licence its keeping others from being on the same playing field. They need to watch out though, if everyone else cant figure out a way to implement good integration without stepping on Q's patents, there will be lawsuits to force those patents into FRAND. Thats great for us as consumers but really bad for Q since that is their biggest leg up on the competition.
Had the exynos 4412 had good LTE/HSPA+ integration there would not have been a chip switch out for the american version just like with the SGS2. That is a lot of lost sales for Q

posted on 30 Sep 2012, 18:14

133. IHateApple (banned) (Posts: 122; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


Different cache system, different pipeline depth. Thats quite a differenc. But for that you have to know CPUs.

posted on 30 Sep 2012, 18:17

134. IHateApple (banned) (Posts: 122; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


I really really hope Krait v3 at least equals Cortex A15.

posted on 30 Sep 2012, 18:35

135. IHateApple (banned) (Posts: 122; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


Phonearena are liers. According to GLBenchmark's website:-

http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro25&showhide=false&certified_only=1&D1=LG%20E970&D2=Apple%20iPhone%205&D3=Apple%20iPad%203

GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD C24Z16 - Offscreen (1080p):

LG E970:- 2867
iPad 3:- 3017
iPhone 5:- 3237

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 05:15 1

5. OpTiMuS_BlAcK (Posts: 418; Member since: 04 May 2012)


w00t GO LG!

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 05:25

6. w595vsgamit (Posts: 8; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)


now that's innovation!!

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 05:58 1

7. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1542; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


Daniel: It's TylerGrunter! It's not my name but the nickname I use in PA forums.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 05:58 4

8. i_am_aman (Posts: 13; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)


Qualcomm #FTW

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 06:44 1

11. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5712; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


yeah, i know for sure the OMAP5 can beat this by a somewhat healthy margin now.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:00

13. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5712; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


lol, real nice Qualcomm fans! ;D

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:25 3

17. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Look I am tired of speculation. All I know that the S4 Krait Pro dual-core is the BEST in the world right now. It's going to be released by LG & HTC VERY soon. It beat the new iPad's PowerVR GPU. So there is a new KING.

#1, Qualcomm's Adreno 320
#2, Apple's PowerVR GPU
#3, Samsung's Mali

It looks like the ARM A15 will not make it to a phone this year or if it does it will be X'mas 2012. So like I said I am done with speculation because everyone is like wait until the ARM A15 dual-core, then I can counter it with the Qualcomm S4 Krait Pro quad-core.

Fact is that Qualcomm is ahead in their development compared to their competition.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:31 1

20. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5712; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


all Qualcomm is is ahead in their development. TI and Samsung make better quality SoCs. we can already see that the OMAP5 and the Exynos 5250 can beat the S4 Pro.

i can about bet you that the next Nexus will use an OMAP5. remember it's Google's reference platform just like the Snapdragon is for Microsoft.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:37

22. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5712; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


wouldn't your claims that HTC & LG releasing S4 Pro handsets very soon be speculation anyway? xD

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:55 1

23. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Those phones have been announced. That is not speculation. It's just a matter of time.

Ok how can you see that TI & Samsung make better SoC's. Samsung's only work on certain markets, not all markets like Qualcomm's & TI looks like their in trouble because their investors want them to drop out of the SoC game altogether. Who knows if we will even see a OMAP 5 at all. I haven't heard any news from Texas Instruments.

Qualcomm is setting the standard this year & that is FACT. They are the BEST right now. No one is better than Qualcomm right now. When your precious A15 dual-core hits & Qualcomm will counter with their quad-core. So it looks like it's Qualcomm's lead to loose, in other words they will not be over taken. Like they over took Samsung & Texas Instruments.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 10:38 4

24. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


KingKurogi you usually have valid arguments but how do you figure TI and Samsung make better SoC?

Currently all 4 US variations of the GSIII use Qualcomm because of the better SoC in terms of LTE, versus the European version of the GSIII that uses an Exynos because it doesnt have LTE.

Also, according to reports, TI is considering exiting the Mobile phone market because of the competition.

...Just asking for your thoughts

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 10:41 2

25. remixfa (Posts: 14327; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


SAE, you have turned into such a qually fanboy its getting silly.. but i still lubs ya.

its not their game to lose if they are not in the game yet. Right now, its samsung's game. It MAY/will probably become Qs game for a bit, but the A15 is the same launch window as the Pro... Q4. The S4 quad isnt slated until 2013 some time, which is the same window as the Exynos5 quad. Like normal qualcomm is trying to be "first", but samsung always counters with "better". What used to be a wide "first" window of 3-6 months for Q is quickly shrinking to a few weeks.

Your time tables are completely messed up. I'm gonna get you straight sooner or later.

Exynos works fine in any market, and it works with LTE. Its just not integrated. Thats carrier demands, not a problem with the chip, that keep it from being huge in america. I would be EXTREMELY surprised if Exynos5 didnt have the LTE issue fixed.

ALso, again, Q makes up about 1/4th of the sales of samsung chips. they are not winning in power or volume so please stop being silly.
The Pro's Benchmarks with the new Adreno GPU are darn nice no doubt... but until its actually RELEASED in a phone for sale, its not "the king" of anything.

Q cant lose a lead if they are not in the lead yet.

S4-Pro phone launch window Q4 2012
Exynos 5 phone/tablet launch window Q4 2012
S4 pro quad launch windows Q2-4 2013
Exynos 5 quad launch windows Q2-4 2013.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 10:50 3

26. remixfa (Posts: 14327; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


The SGS3 in america has the S4 because carriers demand integrated LTE and HSPA+ 42. That is the ONLY reason for the switch out. Carriers want to be able to wave their "4g" flags and impossible to reach max theoretical limits instead of using a chip thats much stronger. That's harder to market to the masses who dont know jack about chips.

Those reports were investors asking TI to exit the business, not TI itself. There is no reason to think that TI will get out of the biggest growth vector in the chip market today. That would be ludacris. Those investors care about their short term gain. TI as most companies, are worried about long term. Getting out of this vector is a horrible long term move.

Samsung makes the strongest chips of each of the last few generations. Their next chip, the Exynos5 is going to continue that trend by a wide margin, even against the S4 pro which barely outclasses the current Exynos 4412.

Ti, though weirdly silent so far, made the 2nd best chip of the last 2 generations just slightly behind exynos and Hummingbird from samsung. Both chip families spring from the same tree at ARM. Other than individual tweaks from the manufacturers, the biggest difference is the choice of GPUs. Samsung however is better at tweaking the actual CPU for performance.

There is no reason to think Ti is getting out of the market, I'd just put that out of your mind.

Also, Qualcomm holds the keys to integrated LTE with american frequencies and they are not sharing. That is the reason why they are the only ones with that solution. Ti's silence might be because it is still ironing out its own work around much like samsung is being forced to do.

However, if Samsung and Ti ever do get integrated LTE working, that will be a death knell to Q.

No matter what some of our resident Crapdragon fanboys will tell you, Samsung has a commanding lead in this industry. They make chips for OVER 50% of all smartphones. The SGS 1,2,3 and Note by themselves are the majority of all android sales + the Apple A4/A5/A5x chips are made by samsung as well and are more or less just rebranded Exynos chips.

Qualcomm's biggest customer is Samsung. Once Samsung fixes their LTE, they wont need Qualcomm any more which will hurt Q as much as it helps Samsung.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:35 1

34. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5712; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


right now yeah, Qualcomm has the market on lock but the only reason that has happened is because of Qualcomm's lock on LTE support here in the US. same thing would have happened last year if the US Carriers had their LTE and HSPA+ 42mbps networks as wide spread as they do now because for like the first half of 2011 most phones were powered by Nvidia's Tegra II which wasn't LTE compatible but didn't have to be and Qualcomm's S3 because they were the first to market but then later in the year TI came out with the OMAP4, it was better, it supported LTE and it held it's lead until when? the Ones came to the States? Qualcomm did have that head start though and that's how they operate, they come to market with the next best thing first but later they're ultimately outclassed. same thing will happen here. it seems like TI is taking their time but they're working on an SoC that can easily rival the S4 Pro and while Adreno Graphics have come a long, long way i'll always bet money on PowerVR Graphics which is TI's GPU series of choice. Apple has been using PowerVR Graphics for years if that's any indication and their PowerVR SGX544(MP4) should stay well ahead of the Adreno 320 if what we're looking at is true. i wouldn't expect the Exynos 5250 anytime soon but i wouldn't expect a quad-core S4 Pro anytime soon either. not many manufacturers are going to want to follow up their S4 Pro devices with S4 Pro Quad devices too soon even if they are ready. HTC and LG are about due for S4 Pro devices because their last big launches were quite a few months ago, same for Motorola if they play their cards right they can just skip right into the Pros.and as for Samsung, they won't follow up their recent launches so soon but when they do come out with something worthy of the 5250 it better be LTE compatible or i'll be quite disappointed in them.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:37 1

35. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5712; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


ah, i've missed you remixfa my friend. xD

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:46 1

37. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5712; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


they haven't been announced, they've been rumored. i don't remember HTC announcing any One X+ or LG announcing an Eclipse. xD

however i'm sure they're real my point was just don't you think that projecting their release as imminent is as premature as using a projection about how these SoCs stack up together?

that's rumor and speculation, keep up the hypocrisy why don't ya? you're counting on Samsung and TI to fail because you know that if they don't they'll wipe the floor with Qualcomm.

right now yes, Qualcomm is the best here in the States but if you'll read comment #34 you'll see that it's not so cut and dry. you'll also see why your S4 Pro Quad projections are kind of premature.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:59 1

40. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


You are wrong, there will NOT be a Samsung phone with the Exynos 5 this year at all. If the Exynos 5 DOES come out this year it will ONLY in a tablet & nothing else. REMEMBER the S III is the flagship phone & the Note 2 will have the SAME as the S III, because they don't want it to be better than the flagship.

The dual-core S4 Pro WILL be in a 2 handsets guaranteed this year, as early as LATE Q3, early Q4.

There are RUMORS of HTC phones with quad-core S4 Pro. So that will hit before the S IV just like the HTC One X hit before the SIII. I am only going by recent history. You know what they say history repeats itself.

Also it's know in the industry that Qualcomm makes the best modems around. I can guarantee that if you open your handset right now there will be something made by Qualcomm. You are right Samsung is Qualcomm's customer just as is Apple & every other MAJOR OEM in existence. Qualcomm doesn't only make money from their SoC's, they make so many essential parts mobile phones & tablets. Qualcomm is not a one trick pony. They have been in the game for ever.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:02 1

41. KParks23 (Posts: 662; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)


U realize that the omap 5 will not be released till mid 2013 and ti is talking about shutting down its development for processors.. Lmao I guess everything has a fan boy behind it.. u don't think that when they release that qualcomm will have something comparable but right now qualcomm is the only company in the game now!

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:18

44. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5712; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


oh yeah? i'd like to know where you get your information because nobody else has heard that. the investors for TI are SUGGESTING shutting down the mobile chip division, that doesn't mean anything solid about the company's future. right now yeah, they're doing very well and i commend them for that but it's when fanboys start thinking that they've just suddenly started making better SoCs than Samsung and TI when there's a problem. the OMAP5 and the Exynos 5250 are coming just like this S4 Pro is that fanboys are already proclaiming victory with.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:19 1

45. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


We are all speculating, so if I am guilty of "hypocrisy" then aren't you as well? At least these phones are rumored which is more than I can say for both Samsung's Exynos 5 & TI OMAP 5.

Qualcomm is beast'ing right now & you are hating because of it. Samsung & TI right now has some work ahead of them.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:27

47. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4888; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Again just more speculation. We are all doing it. All I want to say is that the power from all these chips are getting crazier & crazier. Right now we couldn't tell the difference which chip is stronger just based on real life usage.

This is a just fun competitive banter. They are all GREAT POWERFUL chips, BUT the age of the Crapdragon is completely DEAD. Qualcomm makes a hell of a chip & it's about time it gets the RESPECT it deserves. To me it's funny that a dual-core S4 Pro puts the hurting on a quad-core Exynos 4. Just shows you the level of brilliance at Qualcomm.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:39 1

48. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5712; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


i don't have a problem with speculation as long as it has good basis. i'm just pointing out that you're doing the very thing that you seem to have a big problem with me doing but hey if you want to speculate then be my guest guy, just don't get all REAL in here on me if you know what i mean. xD
that's true but we can't control what leaks and what doesn't, we just work with what we're given.

i'm not hating hating that Qualcomm is beasting, they are, i admitted that. they're probably going to power the Razr HD i might get but the fanboys in here are getting ahead of themselves. as far as who actually has the best SoC out of this next crop remains to be seen but Qualcomm definitely has their work cut out for them because the OMAP5 and the Exynos 5250 look mighty beastly. the only real, imminent threat and by that i mean Q4-Q1 to Qualcomm is by TI with their OMAP5. based on what we've seen so far it looks like the OMAP5 would beat the S4 Pro and as far as your logic about the S4 Pro Quad following up soon that actually doesn't really make much sense because these are still going into different people's phones and tablets and i'm sure HTC and LG expects these new S4 Pro handsets of theirs to carry them into like Q2 of 2013, they aren't just going to suddenly 1-UP their handsets just so Qualcomm can beat TI or Samsung. remember that if HTC and LG do release these S4 Pro handsets of theirs for the holidays that will have been half a year after they released their S4 Flagships. they're going to maximize sales for their handsets. no fanboy is going to change that.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:43 1

49. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5712; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


yeah, i completely agree with you. notice i'm not a benchmark whore like i used to be. it really doesn't matter anymore. i'm really happy with my Razr but you can give me an S4 powered Razr HD or an OMAP5 powered Razr HD and i'll be happy either way. i definitely respect Qualcomm more after this year but they still have work to do before they can topple my proven faith in Samsung and TI.

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