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Snapdragon S4 Pro with Adreno 320 graphics is the first to top the new iPad's PowerVR GPU

0. phoneArena 16 Aug 2012, 04:48 posted on

For the first time we have something else than the new iPad on top of the GLBenchmark test, and it is an LG E970 device with Snapdragon S4 Pro and Adreno 320 GPU...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 16:35

85. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the S4 uses the adreno 225 which is a HORRIBLE GPU compared to the Mali 400 or even the T3's. It is a minor upgrade to the S3's HORRIBLE Adreno 220 gpu which isnt even as powerful as my old Galaxy S1's PowerVR GPU. You know its bad when you get out benched by a single core chip that came out the year before.

The regular S4 is an INTERM chip designed to keep Q relevant and selling chips until they could launch the S4-Pro with the Adreno 320. Why do you think they are rereleasing the exact same CPU with a new GPU. Do you see anyone else doing that? ever? The S4 quad is the exact same CPU/GPU as the pro with 2 extra cores on the chip. You might get a 20-30% brute force calculations bump with the Quad, and a nicer Quadrant score if they O/C the Adreno 320 a bit.

All of my opinions are based on comparisons of the similar chips in each class.

BTW, Quadrant benchmarks became irrelevant a LONG time ago. That hasnt changed. Dont wet your pants over quadrant scores.

Your right, I am much smarter than that.. which is why I'm right :) :) :)

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 17:17 1

89. kingpet13 (Posts: 139; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)


Is quadrant the same thing is glbennchmark? Cause if you look at the glbenchmarks right now it is essentially snapdragon s4 pro>apple>huawei>/=s4>exynos. Which brings me to wonder two things, why does samsung give apple a more powerful graphics processor than the s3(I mean they essentially made the iPad 3s processor) and why cant huawei be more popular(they have good designs powerful self made processors, and innovative ideas)? Of course i could be wrong and quadrant could run glbenchmark. But i don't think they do.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 18:35 1

93. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its not a "give". Samsung designs the CPU for Apple. Its essentially a redressed exynos 4212 (the dual core version of the chip in the SGS3). Before someone cries foul over what I just said, Apple bought Intrinsic who is where Samsung originally got the base designs for the Hummingbird/Exynos, but it has been Samsung making pretty much all the advancements on the chip..

That brings us to the GPU. That has nothing to do with samsung. Apple has contracts with PowerVR (and something tells me a non-compete clause with samsung so they cant use the same GPU) who supplies the GPU to samsung to install on Apple's version of the chip.

Samsung by choice or by force goes with the 2nd strongest GPU, which is the Mali series. Apple hasnt always had the lead. Back when the i4 came out, the SGS1 and the i4 used nearly the same CPU/GPU combo. Samsung had a slightly newer version of the PowerVR that Apple was also using, which gave it a slight graphic power advantage. Apple bought Intrinsic right after that and Samsung switched to Mali from then on out... which is why I think there's something in the Apple paperwork preventing Samsung from using PowerVR anymore

posted on 17 Aug 2012, 08:33

104. kingpet13 (Posts: 139; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)


Thank you I have been trying to figure that out for ages. I just couldn't find a good site to explain it. I wonder what the ss would do on the antutu benchmarks with the PowerVR. Probably design a table to take over all of apples market share. :P

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 18:37 1

95. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


oh. and no.. quadrant is its own test.

Those are prelim benchmarks. Never trust a benchmark that doesnt come from a store bought retail unit. Prelim benchmarks have a tenancy to be done in the "best possible" conditions.. something you wont see in real life.

The GPU in the S4 Pro is darn nice.. no one is doubting that.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:37

22. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


wouldn't your claims that HTC & LG releasing S4 Pro handsets very soon be speculation anyway? xD

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:55 1

23. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4187; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Those phones have been announced. That is not speculation. It's just a matter of time.

Ok how can you see that TI & Samsung make better SoC's. Samsung's only work on certain markets, not all markets like Qualcomm's & TI looks like their in trouble because their investors want them to drop out of the SoC game altogether. Who knows if we will even see a OMAP 5 at all. I haven't heard any news from Texas Instruments.

Qualcomm is setting the standard this year & that is FACT. They are the BEST right now. No one is better than Qualcomm right now. When your precious A15 dual-core hits & Qualcomm will counter with their quad-core. So it looks like it's Qualcomm's lead to loose, in other words they will not be over taken. Like they over took Samsung & Texas Instruments.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 10:41 2

25. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


SAE, you have turned into such a qually fanboy its getting silly.. but i still lubs ya.

its not their game to lose if they are not in the game yet. Right now, its samsung's game. It MAY/will probably become Qs game for a bit, but the A15 is the same launch window as the Pro... Q4. The S4 quad isnt slated until 2013 some time, which is the same window as the Exynos5 quad. Like normal qualcomm is trying to be "first", but samsung always counters with "better". What used to be a wide "first" window of 3-6 months for Q is quickly shrinking to a few weeks.

Your time tables are completely messed up. I'm gonna get you straight sooner or later.

Exynos works fine in any market, and it works with LTE. Its just not integrated. Thats carrier demands, not a problem with the chip, that keep it from being huge in america. I would be EXTREMELY surprised if Exynos5 didnt have the LTE issue fixed.

ALso, again, Q makes up about 1/4th of the sales of samsung chips. they are not winning in power or volume so please stop being silly.
The Pro's Benchmarks with the new Adreno GPU are darn nice no doubt... but until its actually RELEASED in a phone for sale, its not "the king" of anything.

Q cant lose a lead if they are not in the lead yet.

S4-Pro phone launch window Q4 2012
Exynos 5 phone/tablet launch window Q4 2012
S4 pro quad launch windows Q2-4 2013
Exynos 5 quad launch windows Q2-4 2013.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:59 1

40. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4187; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


You are wrong, there will NOT be a Samsung phone with the Exynos 5 this year at all. If the Exynos 5 DOES come out this year it will ONLY in a tablet & nothing else. REMEMBER the S III is the flagship phone & the Note 2 will have the SAME as the S III, because they don't want it to be better than the flagship.

The dual-core S4 Pro WILL be in a 2 handsets guaranteed this year, as early as LATE Q3, early Q4.

There are RUMORS of HTC phones with quad-core S4 Pro. So that will hit before the S IV just like the HTC One X hit before the SIII. I am only going by recent history. You know what they say history repeats itself.

Also it's know in the industry that Qualcomm makes the best modems around. I can guarantee that if you open your handset right now there will be something made by Qualcomm. You are right Samsung is Qualcomm's customer just as is Apple & every other MAJOR OEM in existence. Qualcomm doesn't only make money from their SoC's, they make so many essential parts mobile phones & tablets. Qualcomm is not a one trick pony. They have been in the game for ever.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:54

71. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


dude.. you are still confusing timelines

There has been NO OFFICIAL announcement of any phone with ANY of these chips ON SALE in America any time soon. Your confusing leaks as "official". Just because one has more leaks than the other doesnt mean that its coming any sooner.
Will the S4 pro be in an american phone for sale sooner than the Exynos5? Yea, more than likely. Will it be for sale A LOT sooner than the E5? Probably not. My guess is your window is probably 1-2 months before the E5 has a commercial launch at best.

Your wild eyed belief that the E5 is going to be immediately "answered" by the S4- Quad is also crazy. There is NOTHING official about a timeline for those either. If you see one in a phone, on an american carrier BEFORE Q2 of 2013, ill buy you a soda.

I Dont disagree that Q is going to beat Sammy to the launch punch.. they normally do. But sammy has a 100% rate of kicking the crap out of Q when they do launch.

Besides, when the Pro/quad and the E5/E5-quad release we will be in a zone of "who really gives a crap.. were swimming in excess power". :)

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:46 1

37. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


they haven't been announced, they've been rumored. i don't remember HTC announcing any One X+ or LG announcing an Eclipse. xD

however i'm sure they're real my point was just don't you think that projecting their release as imminent is as premature as using a projection about how these SoCs stack up together?

that's rumor and speculation, keep up the hypocrisy why don't ya? you're counting on Samsung and TI to fail because you know that if they don't they'll wipe the floor with Qualcomm.

right now yes, Qualcomm is the best here in the States but if you'll read comment #34 you'll see that it's not so cut and dry. you'll also see why your S4 Pro Quad projections are kind of premature.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:19 1

45. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4187; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


We are all speculating, so if I am guilty of "hypocrisy" then aren't you as well? At least these phones are rumored which is more than I can say for both Samsung's Exynos 5 & TI OMAP 5.

Qualcomm is beast'ing right now & you are hating because of it. Samsung & TI right now has some work ahead of them.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:39 1

48. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


i don't have a problem with speculation as long as it has good basis. i'm just pointing out that you're doing the very thing that you seem to have a big problem with me doing but hey if you want to speculate then be my guest guy, just don't get all REAL in here on me if you know what i mean. xD
that's true but we can't control what leaks and what doesn't, we just work with what we're given.

i'm not hating hating that Qualcomm is beasting, they are, i admitted that. they're probably going to power the Razr HD i might get but the fanboys in here are getting ahead of themselves. as far as who actually has the best SoC out of this next crop remains to be seen but Qualcomm definitely has their work cut out for them because the OMAP5 and the Exynos 5250 look mighty beastly. the only real, imminent threat and by that i mean Q4-Q1 to Qualcomm is by TI with their OMAP5. based on what we've seen so far it looks like the OMAP5 would beat the S4 Pro and as far as your logic about the S4 Pro Quad following up soon that actually doesn't really make much sense because these are still going into different people's phones and tablets and i'm sure HTC and LG expects these new S4 Pro handsets of theirs to carry them into like Q2 of 2013, they aren't just going to suddenly 1-UP their handsets just so Qualcomm can beat TI or Samsung. remember that if HTC and LG do release these S4 Pro handsets of theirs for the holidays that will have been half a year after they released their S4 Flagships. they're going to maximize sales for their handsets. no fanboy is going to change that.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:59 1

52. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4187; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


+1 Again!

You have to admit the speculation posting is fun though! lol

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 14:17 2

56. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


oh yeah, i'm always down for a good debate. it gets those brain juices flowing. with all the smart people we have here we should be able to figure out anything. ;D

posted on 17 Aug 2012, 07:13 1

102. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4187; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


We should all combine our efforts & try to make a rocket or a space ship to orbit the Earth. lol

Yeah my 4 year old kid has been talking rockets & space ships for about a month now. lol

posted on 19 Aug 2012, 09:28 1

114. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ha. I can help with programming and medical. lol. (dusts off old visual basic programming book).. hey do we still use this programming language? lol

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:02 1

41. KParks23 (Posts: 453; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)


U realize that the omap 5 will not be released till mid 2013 and ti is talking about shutting down its development for processors.. Lmao I guess everything has a fan boy behind it.. u don't think that when they release that qualcomm will have something comparable but right now qualcomm is the only company in the game now!

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:18

44. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


oh yeah? i'd like to know where you get your information because nobody else has heard that. the investors for TI are SUGGESTING shutting down the mobile chip division, that doesn't mean anything solid about the company's future. right now yeah, they're doing very well and i commend them for that but it's when fanboys start thinking that they've just suddenly started making better SoCs than Samsung and TI when there's a problem. the OMAP5 and the Exynos 5250 are coming just like this S4 Pro is that fanboys are already proclaiming victory with.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 14:13

54. KParks23 (Posts: 453; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)


Yea fan boys like u.. of course when they release the 5 chips they will be better the current qualcomm would have been out almost a year comparing what's out now qualcomm is on top they have a duel core almost matching Sammy but with better battery management you guys have the absolute dumbest thought process

Qualcomm is out now but it's garbage because in a year Sammy and ti will have a better chip lol..

Then when the Sammy and ti chips come out and then qualcomm makes a better chip it will be.. ok just wait in 2 years when the omap 6 comes out it will show that crapdragon who is boss.. u and remixa are retarded..

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 14:24

58. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


i'm comparing the OMAP5 to the S4 Pro guy. their dual-core uses a newer and better architecture, it's not quite up to A15 snuff but it's definitely good enough to get it compared to quad A9s without it being a joke. i wonder now if you even know what you're talking about...

don't try my patience with that exaggerated nonsense. homie don't play dat.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:13

63. KParks23 (Posts: 453; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)


Yea and the s4pro will be out late this year the omap 5 will be out almost 6months later.. that's my point something 6 months later should be better

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:19

64. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


what did i just tell you? SKAT TROLL!

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:25

65. KParks23 (Posts: 453; Member since: 13 Oct 2010)


Ii don't care what u just told me Ur just a typical dumbass fan boy..

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:45

69. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


where's the sense in anything you've told me? you really think the OMAP5 will come out in April of next year? you're the dumbass...

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:56 1

72. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you do realize that the S4 was to answer samsung's exynos line which was making mincemeat out of the horrid S3 chip, right? It is just an interm chip designed to keep Qualcomm relevant until they could get ahold of the Adreno 320.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 07:34 1

12. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Heard there's an ex-AMD guy working over there

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:25

18. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


Qualcomm bought AMD/ATI So that doesnt surprise me.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:46

50. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Nah they didn't buy AMD/ATi, its just that there are some ex-AMD guys over there doing a great job

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:03 3

14. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Just like I predicted, arguing with those ridiculous snapdragon haters Remixfa and KK.

This is the phone SoC champion of 2012.
Will there be an Exynos dual in phones at al this year?
Or an OMAP 5?

Tegra 3+ for sure can't compete with this.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:11 3

16. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


So yeah, where are you, Remixfa?
Your expertise pointed this chip for tablet and laptop use. And now you have it even in a 310$ phone!

Next up for you, Snapdragon quad pro vs. Exynos 5 dual..wanna place bets?

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:28

19. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4187; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Yeah the quad-core will win hands down. This time next year we might see a quad-core A15, while the S4 Krait Pro quad-core will be mainstays.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 08:34 1

21. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


i'd take the Exynos Dual. it'll have a substantially more powerful GPU and actual A15 Archetecture. that's what's important.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 10:59 2

27. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4069; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Come on King, try to be a bit more open minded towards Qualcomm. As you can see, the S4 Pro is the only one to beat the Power VR graphics in the new iPad, which is (was) the king. Take also, this is an LG device... They haven't exactly been the best with optimizations, and this probably isn't even the final product.

Qualcomm might have been lackluster in the past, but right now they have the most powerful chipset around. In Quadrant the quad Exynos tops out at about 5,700, and the S4 goes to about 5,000, pretty close. In Antutu, the Exynos gets about 10,000, and the S4 gets around 7,000; that's a pretty big difference, but that's the regular S4, not the S4 with Adreno 320. For the S4 Pro, it would probably make the Exynos look bad.

With that in mind, how would a quad S4 Pro fair? Yes, Samsung is always best in class when it comes to processors. It has the best A-9 dual, and best A-9 quad, and will probably have the best A-15 dual, the Exynos 5. But Qualcomm seems to be catching up. And take in mind, by the time everyone has their quad A-15s ready, the quad S4 Pro will probably be in multiple handsets. So it is ahead in development, and thus ahead in power (for now).

But another question; do we really need this much power? I mean really, if the GS2 can run seamlessly with it's A-9 dual-core, and the GS3 runs effortlessly with the quad-core, would we really need anything more than that? Power is nice, but all of this speculations makes the power seem other-worldly and unneccesary. Even if real A-15 scores higher than the S4, and makes the quad Exynos look like childs play; we wouldn't really see much difference in real life performance because the experience was already lag free, so what would it matter?

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 11:37 2

28. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you guys really need your time lines in order.. seriously. The S4 Pro IS NOT OUT yet. It's not the most powerful until it can be benched by a COMMERCIAL sold unit. Period. Otherwise its vaporware. I dont trust any benchmarks until its from a commercial retail box. You shouldnt either.

The Adreno 320 GPU is a great upgrade. No one is taking that away. However, paper specs to paper specs, the Exynos5 dual beats it in pretty much every conceivable way. True A15 which means better battery and power, and the Mali 604 GPU is much stronger and more capable than the already capable Adreno 320. If your impressed by the pro's capabilities, you will be blow away by the Exynos5.

Neither chipset is going to "suck". However, from a pure specs perspective, the Exynos 5 dual is the much stronger chipset.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:10 1

30. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4069; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


I completely agree with you, I often don't trust benchmarks until the commercial unit is released. However, I think a scenario like this could be an exception. It seems like it's a device that is going through testing, as it got benchmarked once, then again after some software tweaks (or that is what's claimed). This actually seems pretty legitimate. If it gets benchmarked again, with more tweaks, I would think it is safe to say this can be trusted.

I wouldn't doubt that the Exynos 5 is better. Like I said, Samsung is always the best in it's class. However, I'm not "blown away" by it. I'm not blown away by anything that is unneccesary. Honestly, I believe that the power in the Exynos 4412 is enough. It's alright to go a bit more than that with the A-15s, coupled with more RAM, to prepare for newer updates of Android, but any more than that is just overkill.

We have enough power in our devices already. The next line of flagships should just keep the A-15s, and the updates should mainly be battery-centric. After the A-15s release, we won't need any more power for a while. After that, manufacturers should focus on giving us larger, faster charging batteries. Everything else is pretty much good to go. We have very good displays like S-LCD2 and ColorBoost (though still waiting on SA+ HD); we have enough processing power with the A-15s, and enough RAM. Cameras could be improved, but that isn't too important. Hardware-wise, we have advanced enough. We just need better batteries. And as always, software should improve like software should.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:43

36. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4187; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Ok this is the first time you have given Qualcomm a complement. You seem to be rounding the corner in a positive way. You are right the S4 Pro is not commercially available but it is being benchmarked. The Exynos 5 is still in the rumor mill so that has to count for something.

I remember telling you before that the S4 Pro would be out on a phone before the A15 Exynos & it's looking like it is. IF an Exynos 5 does come out this year it's going to be on a tablet, certainly NOT on a Samsung handset, until the Samsung Galaxy S IV, since their flagship is out & the Note 2 will have the same the S III has.

Quote I am going to hold you by for now on remixfa:

"Neither chipset is going to "suck"."

Finally some respect for Qualcomm the ONLY chip maker to finally beat Apple's POWERFUL PowerVR GPU. Since 2007 Apple's graphics chips have been undisputed until 2012's Snapdragon S4 Krait Pro.

+1

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 13:02

42. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


TI will restore PowerVR's crown with the SGX544(MP4) don't worry. ;)

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 16:25

80. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its not being benched in a commercially available unit.. .therefore it doesnt count for squat. It gives you something to look forward to, but until its proven "real world", its meaningless.

Also, Q/HTC/LG are trying to drum up excitement for impending announcements.

Samsung is becoming more secretive like Apple as proven by how well they kept the true SGS3 info out of the light for so long. So no, one having more blog posts than the other means nothing.

I've also said that the Adreno320 GPU isnt crap many times. its quite nice. Not as nice as the Mali 604, but its definitely not bad.

You confuse me with someone with money on the game. I just look at the field and call it like it is. The only difference that you dont like that I pick on Q for CONSISTENTLY being in last place in the rankings.

With the pro,E5, and Omap5.. the game is so fast and powerful... who cares anymore??? lol.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:57

38. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


tbh i really don't care much about the benchmarks in this day and age anyway but if you want to butt horns about who is the "best" i'll openly admit that for most of 2012 it was Qualcomm, shoot i'd get an S4 or S4 Pro powered Razr HD because it's a pretty good upgrade over my Razr but i wouldn't get cocky, the OMAP5 and the Exynos 5250 are what dreams are made of and i'll just direct you to comment #34 if you want to know my thoughts about the competition between SoC manufacturers. the point of my comment was personal preference. the S4 Pro Quad might give the Exynos 5250 a good fight in the CPU department but Samsung kills it with the Mali-T604 that's something we do know. i'd rather have that even if the S4 Pro Quad IS better than the Exynos 5250 in the CPU department.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 14:22

57. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4069; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


I know, but really benchmarks are the only thing we can talk about when it comes to the best because all of these processors we are talking about, S4 Pro, Exynos 5, OMAP5; will all have absolutely no lag, so day to day performance will be pretty much negligible between the 3 because they all can handle tasks easily.

Note my last point on my comment, if the quad Exynos can run Android 4.0 with Touchwiz UX on it without a hiccup of any sorts, even with features like multi-screen, do we need all of these new and more powerful processors coming out? I mean really, the Exynos 5 and OMAP 5 might be more powerful than the S4 Pro overall, but no matter which one you have you won't notice any difference because they are all just THAT powerful. Sure, maybe after a couple years of updates (hoping they are supported that long, considering the increased amount of RAM recently), they'll slow down a bit, but you'll want to get a new phone after that time anyways.

Yes, Qualcomm makes chips that aren't as fast as Samsung's or TI's. But with the latest processors and graphics (Mali, PowerVR, Adreno), even though it doesn't perform as well, you won't notice a difference because it's still powerful enough to run whatever OS it is on so easily.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 14:27

59. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


yeah, that's all very true but if we just call it quits then what will we have to debate over? xD

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 14:34

60. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4069; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Well there's still that Apple vs. the world thing...

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 15:33 1

66. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its the old chicken and egg or "if you build it they will come".

8 years ago we couldnt have dreamed of what we would ever use a dual core 1.2ghz+ chip for. Now those are "mid level" phones and there are games/apps out there that even those chips cant handle.

Its not about having a use for it right then and there, its about making a new field to play in so others can figure it out.

But your right. With the S4 pro, Samsung E5, Omap5, ect.. we are entering into a world where the worst chip is still quite a bit more than anyone needs. We like to argue benchmarks and feature graphs, but it doesnt really matter. Once they can figure out how to make the current power king, the 4412 chug and be slowed down by heavy software, then we might need to worry a bit. But hell, were probably 1-3 years away from ANYTHING that will make any of these next chips break a sweat.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 16:22

78. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


yeah, look at these current generation consoles like the Xbox 360 and the PS3, been out since 07 and still playing impressive games like a charm! ;D

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 16:15

74. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you realy shouldnt try to call me out with half facts based on misinformation. If basing my opinion on pure fact, benchmarks, and spread sheets makes me a "hater", then so be it. At least I'm a hater with my eyes wide open instead of a fan with my eyes sealed shut.

the "champion of 2012". So.. when it comes out 15 days before 2013, it gets to be the "champion"?? lol.

When it has a commercial release and benchmarks are done from a commercial unit by regular people, then I will care. I never take ANY preliminary benchmarks seriously. Those are not done with real world use in mind.

Samsung said the E5 is going into tablets first, but they didnt say how long they would wait until they dropped it into phones. It could be a week behind the first tablet or 6 months. I dont have some kind of secret informant. However, I'm obviously better at keeping my timelines straight than some of you.

If it comes in the Note 2, you will see it this year unless they have some other unforseen flagship to drop it in. However I'd give it at least a 40% chance of being in the N2. Until we have confirmation of the N2's real specs... which should be in a few days actually when its announced.. it could be either the 4412 or the E5.
You never know.. Samsung plays a lot of stuff very close to the chest similar to apple. I'd be very surprised if we didnt see the E5 in a phone by christmas either way. If not, then early Q1.

Yes, I saw the Miezu phone. Awesome specs and price. However that was just an announcement. Also, that phone is not destined for anywhere NEAR america or even europe from my understanding. You wont see a major brand quad core S4 any time soon in the US. It would take all the wind out of the S4-Pro's sails.

You forget, Miezu was also the same company that launched the 4412 before even samsung did... and its samsung's chip. Have you heard of that phone since? Dont get your panties in a bunch over nothing. You will never see one in real life.

Yes, my "expertise" pointed both the S4 quad and the E5-Quad in tablet use. Guess where they are slated to go... tablets and Windows 8 netbooks. Both Q and Samsung say "they were primarily designed with tablets in mind as they dont need that kind of juice for the phones".

Which is also a nice way of saying "hey were launching the pro and E5 dual... we dont want to eclipse them by also launching phones with the Quad versions".
Think about it for just a second.. oi.

LIke KK ill take the true A15 E dual. The A15 chip structure is a huge improvement over A9 and Krait, and the GPU is stronger than anything else out.. or coming out.. other than the next PowerVR GPU that more than likely Apple will get exclusivity to it. The quad will be able to do some functions better by way of hyperthreading abilities, but over all the E5 will hold its own and then some. You forget the S4 Quad is exactly the same as the S4 pro..just with 2 extra cores. Not much else is changing.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 16:17 1

76. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the extra cores will give it more brute force for some applications but its not going to magically make the adreno 320 GPU faster than the Mali 604 which has major improvements and a hell of a lot more features than the 320.

Again, none of that will really matter because your talking about 2 chips that are the same as an Xbox360 in power. Were entering "who gives a crap, we all have tons of excess power" land.
The biggest deciding factors are probably going to start being battery life at that point.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 11:52

29. Mitchel (Posts: 228; Member since: 25 May 2012)


I would take Exynos 5250 dual with Mali T604 (5x more powerful than Mali 400).. Come at me!!!

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:14 2

31. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


What the..Remixfa have you completely lost your mind?!?!?
S4 quad will be OUT THIS YEAR IN OCTOBER

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:23

32. MISTER.H (banned) (Posts: 167; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)


Which handset will have the S4pro!

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:57

39. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


S4 Pro Dual might but not Quad.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 14:06 1

53. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Whoa..I see, you're just as crazy as Remixfa.
Facepalm.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Xiaomi-Phone-2-announced---the-first-with-quad-core-Snapdragon-S4-Pro-tops-Quadrant-is-just-310_id33354#1-

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 14:36

61. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


oh that's a Quad huh? i thought it would benchmark higher...

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 16:20

77. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i see your both crazy

That phone will never see US shores, nor europe. Hell, it will never be mentioned again. The Meizu exynos 4412 phone launched a good bit before the SGS3 and no one ever heard from it again.

Time lines are for US LAUNCHES or at least Europe launches.
Get your time lines straight.

Also, I've consistently said we would see the S4 pro in Q4 2012. Can you remind me which quarter October falls in?
Also, I really doubt we'd see it that early. I'd give it 40% for a november launch, 60% for a december launch IN AMERICA.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 16:26

81. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


wait, i'm crazy? xD

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 16:27

82. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


well.. yea.. you are.. but I was talking to Darac mostly. :) :) :) :)

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 17:03 2

87. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


Holly sh!t..
You two are freaking me out.

This article is about the quad core s4 that will come out in USA in a few months!!

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 21:12

101. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


i don't see anything in this article about a quad-core S4. xD

posted on 17 Aug 2012, 07:27

103. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4187; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Are my timelines STILL wrong remixfa?

I told you that a quad-core S4 Pro would hit BEFORE 2012 ends.

So if Qualcomm is that far ahead, do you thing they are working on a HEAVILY modified A15 chip set.... ummm how about a S5 with a better Adreno than the 320?

DEFINITELY PLAUSABLE right?

posted on 17 Aug 2012, 09:56

106. remixfa (Posts: 13935; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you lost me somewhere..

Qualcomm doesnt use ARM architecture, they use their own. Which is why they always use the term "equivalent". Again, that's just Q's marketing and nothing more.

I dont see how they are "that far ahead". Their one and only benefit that gives them an advantage on time lines is that they hold what has been proven so far as to be the ONLY keys to the US integrated LTE modem solution and they refuse to cross license it. That is what slows down everyone else.

On a side note about that, if Sammy, TI and the rest cant figure out how to get around Q's patents in that LTE integration, expect a lot of lawsuits to push that patent into FRAND territory. Once Q's competitive advantage goes away there is going to be a huge pressure on them. Samsung WILL eat them alive. Again, samsung is their MAIN customer because they have to switch chips for american Samsung phones. FRANDing that tech will take away all reason for samsung to continue to buy their chips.

The S5? Lets worry about that in like 2014. lol. Your going to be seeing variants of the S4 for a good time to come. The S4 quad wont be in a US commercially released phone until Q2 2013 at the earliest. With that in mind there will be AT LEAST a 6 month spacing until they commercially release the next chip after that so they dont cannibalize their own sales.

ALL companies work on their chip lines 2..3..4 generations out, thats nothing new.

And yes, your lines are still off. All timelines I talk about are for US/Europe COMMERCIAL RELEASES and nothing else. Again, for the 9th time, Miezu, the same company that's making the quad phone, also was the first out of the gate with the Exynos 4412 by like 2 or 3 months before the SGS3. Have you ever seen one? It doesnt matter what they release in china because china is not america. We will NEVER see it.

Euro-American time lines only. Manufacturers that sell to us only. HTC isnt going to release a Quad phone at the same time as they release a Pro phone. They would cannibalize the Pro's sales. There is going to be good spacing in between. That is generally 6 months+.

So yea, your time lines are quite off. :)

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