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Smoked by Windows Phone challenge: the results

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Smoked by Windows Phone challenge: the results
If you have been following our CES 2012 coverage closely, you are most definitely familiar with the “Smoked by Windows Phone” challenge that Microsoft's very own Ben “The PC Guy” Rudolf is hosting. In a nutshell, attendees who have a non-Windows Phone device are given the opportunity to check whether Ben's HTC Titan, powered by Windows Phone, is faster than their device at accomplishing common tasks. You know, like taking a picture and posting it on your Facebook page, checking the weather conditions at a given location, or finding a good restaurant nearby. And if their smartphone manages to beat Windows Phone, a $100 award will be given to them.

Well, it seems like only a tiny fraction of those who dared challenging Ben and his Windows Phone handset became $100 richer. To be more precise, out of the nearly 30 challengers, Windows Phone lost only on three occasions. Could it be because the challenge itself was tailored in a way so that Windows Phone would have an advantage over any device? It is possible, yet Microsoft successfully managed to grab the public's attention and show off the beauty of its platform. And who knows, a full blown marketing campaign inspired by the challenge could follow too.

We now invite you to take a look at some of the challengers and how they fared against Windows Phone. And we have to give Ben the thumbs up for being a gentleman and posting a video of one of his losses too.


 

 

 

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posted on 12 Jan 2012, 10:50 21

1. dorfoz (Posts: 149; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Finally! A real world speed test! Synthetic benchmarks, quad cores, dual cores don't mean a thing if the phone can't do simple tasks or force closes.

posted on 12 Jan 2012, 12:55 6

17. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


I like WP7.5 Mango. I played with my brothers & it's actually very good. The one gripe I have with the WP platform is that it's only single-core. The reason the iPhone 4S beat the HTC Titan was because it's running a dual-core as opposed to the HTC Titan's single-core.

The reason why I say this is because they are both 3G but in that competition the dual-core of the iPhone 4S outperformed the single-core of the HTC Titan. The processes it took before the actual upload was done faster on the Apple iPhone 4S, that is why it won.

posted on 12 Jan 2012, 13:47 6

24. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


that may be true. you also have to think about typing speed that kind of stuff. and even if the only difference was the dual core, it only beat it by the tiniest hair.
People that keep dissing WP7 have never tried it. give it a few hours of your time, you might be surprised.

that dude with the charge in the first video didnt know how to use his device. within like 5 seconds i can have maps up, hit the "upsidedown teardrop" looking icon that brings up local stuff, hit the steak house icon and find a 4 star restaurant super quick. may or may not have beat the windows guy, but it would have been a lot quicker than that do-do android guy.. lol

posted on 12 Jan 2012, 14:51 7

30. SellPhones82 (Posts: 569; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


I was thinking the same thing on the first video...He apparently has not used Places and/or Google Maps because I pulled a list of places to eat and directions to Stone Creek (no 4 stars close to the warehouse district I'm in) without typing a thing on my phone in about 10-15 seconds and I'm running a pre-alpha version of ICS on my Evo. The guy running this knows what the changes prior and who knows how many other he used this same change one so he already knows what restaurant to pick plus has the data already cached for ever faster results.

posted on 12 Jan 2012, 14:57 4

31. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4857; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Yeah those kids really didn't know how to use their phones. That is why they lost. I agree the Samsung Droid Charge is a very user friendly phone, he should have not lost.

The Apple iPhone 4S was a different story, the guy with the HTC Titan knew his phone as did the kid with the iPhone 4S so to me the dual-core just beat the single-core.

posted on 21 Feb 2012, 08:33

103. tedkord (Posts: 12217; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


WP is very smooth, fluid and quick. It's just so damned ugly. Metro makes me wanna puke. If any good third party skins come out for it (and the apps get numerous enough), I'd consider it.

posted on 12 Jan 2012, 21:29 2

71. dorfoz (Posts: 149; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


I think this boils down to how well do you know your phone. Of course, some interfaces and features on phones DO make these everyday tasks simple.

Finding a restaurant? I did it with Siri on the 4s and I had faster results than that guy on the video. The weather- I did it faster with the widget on an android phone.

Unless you open an app that requires an intense amount of phone resources, until then would we really start min/maxing the spec sheets. What really irritates me, is when a phone can't do simple tasks consistently. A perfect phone would probably have the consistency and ease of use of an iphone, the power and customization of an android, and the integration of apps of windows. Pick your poison. heh

posted on 16 Jan 2012, 11:57

99. nlmmln (Posts: 2; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


"...both 3G but in that competition the dual-core of the iPhone 4S outperformed the single-core of the HTC Titan. The processes it took before the actual upload was done faster on the Apple iPhone 4S, that is why it won."

Uh, no. All the phones were connected to the same wifi network. WP7 won most of the time b/c the OS is designed differently and has better integration of functions and apps.

What is interesting is that you don't have to be a poweruser to be quick on WP7.

posted on 12 Jan 2012, 15:12 6

35. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


Speed isn't everything. This is just a marketing gimmic because the windows phone can't deliver a "total" experience to the user. By total experience, I mean beating or meeting consumer's expectations, customer satisfaction scores, resell value, etc.

posted on 12 Jan 2012, 15:37 6

42. Penny (Posts: 1653; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


I'm sorry, but you are way off base. All evidence indicates that "Total experience" and customer satisfaction are honestly where WP7 really excels. If not, please do let us know where you found these low customer satisfaction scores.

posted on 12 Jan 2012, 17:19 3

55. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


> All evidence indicates that "Total experience" and customer satisfaction are honestly where WP7 really excels

Penny, you are mistaken. The proof is the voting done by consumers, i.e. voting with their pocketbooks and wallets or commonly known as market share. Just look at the market share of the top smartphones, and you be hard pressed to find WP7 leading the pack or in the pack.

The only person who is off base is Penny based on the millions of actual smartphone users.

posted on 12 Jan 2012, 17:49 5

58. Penny (Posts: 1653; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


First of all, lack of market share does not necessarily indicate low customer satisfaction. There are many factors involved that dictate market share.

Second, market share was not the point you brought up. You spoke specifically of the "total experience," in which you defined characteristics such as meeting consumer expectations and customer satisfaction ratings. Customer satisfaction ratings are ratings from the consumers of the actual product. You are arguing that the customer satisfaction ratings are dictated by the number of people who DO NOT own the the actual product. This is nonsensical.

If you want to look at real customer satisfaction ratings, go to an online store that sells some of these phones and look at the ratings and read the reviews from those that actually own these phones. I do not think it is fair for somebody in your position (assuming you are somebody who does not own the product) to tell those that do use the product that they are not satisfied with it.

I'm not trying to offend you or anything, but I think your logic in this argument is flawed.

posted on 12 Jan 2012, 20:43 2

65. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


Penny:

You need to wake up and accept the truth. If customers don't like a product, they won't buy it. The market share is the standard or de facto definition to capture the "total experience" because it captures customer satisfaction in its aggregate. The market share at any one point in time captures these votes by customers and the market share over time captures the changes in the votes by customers. The current market share reflects people who spent money on these products and how well they like their products dictate the future market share rankings

Second, it's clear you are NOT versed in business when it comes to demographics, market share, customer satisfaction, etc. You never look online because these reviews are biased. What the professionals do is look at 3rd party independent surveys that track and rank these consumers using sound statistical sampling techniques.

In summary, your inability to understand the de facto standard using market share AND you inability to grasp basic statistical concepts reflect your hopelessly flawed arguments.

Separately, WP7 is a small player in the market (again based on 3rd party independent surveys) and future Windows cellphone face two unsurmountable obstablces: (a) inexpensive android smart phones that are flooding the market and (b) high switch cost to windows from either Android or Apple.

posted on 13 Jan 2012, 07:12 3

82. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ardent,
i love it when you try to pretend you are somehow superior and browbeat someone.. while being off your rocker the entire time.

."By total experience, I mean beating or meeting consumer's expectations, customer satisfaction scores, resell value, etc."

judging by the user reviews, the WP7 sets are the best at customer satisfaction and expectations. And who gives a flying f*ck about resell value? ALL higher end phones keep a nice resale value. Your magic nudge at the iphone doesnt hold water. Android phones are more expensive and keep their resell value just as long.

WP7 sales have been sluggish not because of the OS or the hardware, but because of the lack of advertising and more directly, the lack of SALES REP support in the store. Sales reps that are not comfortable with a device for any reason including lack of knowledge, will not sell the device because they dont want returns. WP7 had a quiet launch ON PURPOSE to work out the bugs and make their grand push bug free.

And thats where WP7 is at right now.. on the eve of their first "grand push" into the mobile space. With Nokia and MS pushing this thing full throttle, as well as finally taking the time to make the reps comfortable with it, WP7 is going to take off.

Bottom line.. Penny is right, you are wrong... and she used your own made up "quality" stats to prove you wrong.

posted on 13 Jan 2012, 18:18

92. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


"Android phones are more expensive and keep their resell value just as long."

wow.. really.. have you seen any iphone 4 at a penny on amazon?... Android will never hold value like the iphone...

posted on 13 Jan 2012, 19:42 4

94. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


go check the contract price of the i4s vs the nexus. which is more expencive?
go check the full retail of the i4s vs the Note. which is more expencive?
go check ebay for an SGS2 and an i4. which is more expensive?

SGS2 i9100 international unlocked 16gig
USED from $490

http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Samsung-Galaxy-S-II-i9100-16GB-Noble-black-Unlocked-Smartphone-International-version-/102709718?_dmpt=Cell_Phones&_pcategid=9355&_pcatid=801&_refkw=used+galaxy+S2&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A5909&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

i4 unlocked 16 gig
USED FROM $200

http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Apple-iPhone-4-16GB-Black-AT-T-Smartphone-/99998176?_dmpt=Cell_Phones&_pcategid=9355&_pcatid=801&_refkw=used+iphone+4&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A5909&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

the brand new i4s 16 gig
USED FROM $430

http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Apple-iPhone-4S-Latest-Model-16GB-White-AT-T-Smartphone-/109348370?_dmpt=Cell_Phones&_pcategid=9355&_pcatid=801&_refkw=used+iphone+4&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A5909&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

your point is pointless, tired, and WRONG. why dont u try researching before you spout. it will save you some typing and us a headache from reading. :) :) :)

posted on 21 Feb 2012, 08:39

104. tedkord (Posts: 12217; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


The reason the iPhone 4 is never a penny on Amazon is that Apple controls the prices, and doesn't allow those sort of sales.

But, yeah, Android used phones don't hold their value like iPhones. Personally, I think that's more about cult of personality, but that doesn't make it any less true.

posted on 15 Jan 2012, 18:41

95. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


> And who gives a flying f*ck about resell value?

New flash to RVI -- customers care about resell values. The cell phone is no different from a tablet or a car -- the resell value helps cement high customer satisfaction scores.

posted on 16 Jan 2012, 12:55

100. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ardent,
unlike you who pretends to be some big business guy while using phones on cricket, im actually in the business i talk of. Do you know how often i get asked about resell value? almost never. i have to educate customers of the wonders of ebay and craigslist every day.

it is a fanboy bullet point.. and a WRONG fanboy bulletpoint when gallito uses it. Android phones have higher full retail, higher on contract, and higher resale values than iphones. FACT.

And again, who really cares. I dont buy a phone wondering "man, i wonder what this will be worth in 2 years to sell". NO ONE does.

posted on 12 Jan 2012, 20:45 3

66. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


indeed customer satisfaction is not the main reason for WP to have low market share there are many factors, if it where that way then android is the best Smartphone OS ever simply because it has more market share. WP is a nice phone, its just not easy to come back from the death for some companies

posted on 13 Jan 2012, 03:11

80. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


> if it where that way then android is the best Smartphone OS ever simply because it has more market share

And that is why the 3GS on one carrier in the US outsell the best android phone, respectively, based on the latest 3rd party survey data. The market share of the 3GS is undeniable. That is to say despite all the advancements that android OEMs have made, the 3GS continues to attract sales and corresponding market share.

posted on 13 Jan 2012, 07:14 2

83. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


get new bullet points. the "this phone outsells other phones" argument is not only tired and played out but pointless. Ecosystems drive app developers and excitement.. if its one phone or 10 phones.

posted on 15 Jan 2012, 18:44

96. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


To the RVI -- one reason the 3GS outsells the best android devices is due to the high resell value of the 3GS after the end of the contract term, respectively.

posted on 16 Jan 2012, 12:59

101. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


I love when you call me the RVI and then say something stupid. Seriously, its funny. keep it up

$89. wow that is a super high resale value for a 3gs. Incredible.. i should go buy one today!!
Ill get it for the awesome price of free ON CONTRACT and still pay the CONTRACT SUBSIDY that is the same for every phone.. so that just means that I'll be paying WAY MORE than the phone is worth to get it for free. Carriers figure it takes about 20 months for the customer to pay back the subsidy so they spread it out over every contract they have. The cheaper the phone, the more you are OVER PAYING.

I wonder if any of you crazy ibot defenders actually do research into the things you spout.. then again, if u did, you wouldnt be spouting it.

http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Apple-iPhone-3GS-8GB-Black-AT-T-Smartphone-/100012593?_dmpt=Cell_Phones&_pcategid=9355&_pcatid=801&_refkw=3gs&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A5909&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

posted on 13 Jan 2012, 09:04 1

87. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


You said WP has no market share then it must be a bad customer satisfaction WP is an OS not a phone but an os and should be compared with OS Android is king in that matter despite the 3GS numbers it's a free iPhone two things that do well together. What advantage or superior performance the 3GS offer?

posted on 15 Jan 2012, 18:46

97. ardent1 (Posts: 2000; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


> You said WP has no market share then it must be a bad customer satisfaction

In business, the term is called "being marginalized" because customers are PREFFERING other products. Both Android and Apple devices are giving their users, on average, a higher customer satisfaction score than WP, respectively.

posted on 21 Feb 2012, 08:51

106. tedkord (Posts: 12217; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


So, let's play the iFan card here then. We're constantly told by iFans that the reason Android outsells iOS is it's often on free phones and BOGO phones.

Now, how much exactly is the 3GS on contract?

posted on 21 Feb 2012, 08:44 1

105. tedkord (Posts: 12217; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Yeah, WP has to overcome the years of reputation that WP6-6.5 built up. They became stale, and stood still for a long time while everyone else was running past them. Microsoft became the mobile OS that couldn't. It's not going to be easy to win people back after that.

posted on 07 May 2012, 14:37

108. Torontoguy (Posts: 1; Member since: 07 May 2012)


I suppose the same logic could be used to argue that McDonald's is the finest restaurant or (at least) has the best hamburgers because of the 'billions and billions sold". Minor players, like 'Five Guys' for example, must not be very good because they have not sold as many.

The logic seems to breakdown.

posted on 12 Jan 2012, 10:51 7

2. knights4life03 (Posts: 131; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)


I wish i was at ces. Win or lose to ben's titan i win either way

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