Smartphone makers delaying launches to Q2 because of staggering iPhone demand?
23. jogutier posted on 31 Jan 2012, 15:09 5
Plus, by the time these people get their iPhone. The iPhone 5 with all the Droid capabilities will be out. :(
2. Whateverman posted on 31 Jan 2012, 10:43 8
Or maybe the fact that there is a brand new UI that they're trying to skin and it takes time to work out the bugs before hitting the market. Besides, LG didn't wait to introduce the Spectrum right? The Razr Maxx just dropped as well, so what makes you think after 4 years of iPhone releases that suddenly now these OEMs are scared to release their products? Or is this just an article to get us all riled up?
51. Sniggly posted on 31 Jan 2012, 18:38 4
It's a Family Guy reference. I think he's being sarcastic, considering that it's usually the stupid asshole father, Peter, who tells Meg to shut up even when she makes a good point. :)
56. Whateverman posted on 31 Jan 2012, 18:58 1
Gotcha, don't know why I didn't make the connection. I love Family Guy. In that case, thumbs up to you both!
4. 530gemini posted on 31 Jan 2012, 11:08 8
This proves what fandroids have been saying that Apple is afraid of android OEM's. NOT. Bwahahahahahahahaha.
6. willardcw4 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 11:40 3
Oh yes.. it proves so much... since no OEM was quoted or had a comment regarding holding off releases. Speculation is always fun, was that iPhone 5 as awesome as you thought it would be??!
14. 530gemini posted on 31 Jan 2012, 13:26 5
@willar. Oh sure. Android OEM's will openly admit to this, lol.
29. willardcw4 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 16:53 1
You have no logic in what you're saying. If they won't admit to it, how is anything 'proven'. The quote is from a news site (kinda like PA!!). Are you still in high school?
33. ardent1 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 17:18 0
The proof is in the supply chain, but that is beyond willard's knowledge base.
60. remixfa posted on 01 Feb 2012, 07:03 1
unless you know something he doesnt know, then its beyond your knowledge base too, hippocrit.
10. Sniggly posted on 31 Jan 2012, 12:24 4
Except this article doesn't quote a single shred of proof. So easily led astray, aren't you, Gemini?
15. 530gemini posted on 31 Jan 2012, 13:28 4
@sniggly. Their proof is their observation that android OEM's are holding off on their new releases. What kind of proof are you looking for? A statement from android OEM's that they are holding off releases due to the iphone4s high demand? Lol.
25. Sniggly posted on 31 Jan 2012, 15:37 1
So... the fact that a large portfolio of Android devices was just released over the past couple of months has nothing to do with any more phones being released later than sooner, right?
36. ardent1 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 17:33 1
@snig : just use basic statistics and sampling techniques. Since you work at BB, you have access to the amount of unsold android handsets in your system. For people like myself, we simply count the number of unsold android devices at Walmart, Target, etc... Even Walmart started discounting their no contract android smartphones by $20 to $129.99 and they are throwing in the MI triology as a bonus. The unsold android devices is the STRONGEST evidence the android OEMs will delay new devices. This evidence is in plain sight.
46. Sniggly posted on 31 Jan 2012, 18:30 1
Yes, I have access to information regarding what phones are sold and what are sitting there unsold. For instance, we have a pile of Evo 3Ds (though we do sell them) but we're sold out of Infuses and Photons, We've also sold a s**t ton of Inspires, and a good amount of Galaxy S 2s and Epic 4Gs. The Bionic is starting to sell now, the Stratospheres have flown out the door, as have Thunderbolts and Atrix 2s. Granted, yes, the 200 to 300 dollar phones have been harder sells, but we're not exactly overstocked.
We HAVE gotten a ton of iPhones in now (finally) and you know what? This month I sold, like, 5 iPhones. Granted, others have sold more, but at the same time, I'm not seeing people line up for them anymore.
57. supaman21 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 21:05 0
sounds about the same here.... only one older couple has bought a 4s from me the past 3 weeks, and even they talked to the apple guy for awhile before they came over
32. willardcw4 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 16:55 0
It's speculation, not proof. You have no proof phones were delayed, at all. Phones are being released as we speak (Galaxy Note upcoming, RAZR MAXX just dropped). Makes no sense.
34. ardent1 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 17:26 1
@snig -- remember how I stated the Moto Xoom 2 would be DOA before said release and my comment made you upset. At that time, I showed you and evryone else how a simple knowledge of cost-structure will show the Xoom2 will be expensive to build and thus carry a high price tag. Image your shock when my prediction came true.
The proof that the android OEMs are delaying their introduction to Q2:12 is due to two factors that most people overlooked: (a) the massive overhang of unsold android devices due to the strong sale of 4S meaning it's going to take a while for the consumers to absorb the massive excessive inventory and (b) base of supply chain data. The supply chain data argument is too difficult to explain in a brief paragraph.
48. Sniggly posted on 31 Jan 2012, 18:35 1
The XOOM 2/Xyboard/"Motorola's product naming department needs to have their noses chopped off and spit on by Aliens" isn't actually all that expensive, though. Pricewise it's identical to the iPad 2: 500 for 16 Gig 10.1, 600 for 32 Gig 10.1.
You haven't provided any data that there is a massive overhang of unsold units, and you haven't yet responded to the fact that flagship models were JUST RELEASED ONE TO TWO f**kING MONTHS AGO.
59. thinking posted on 01 Feb 2012, 00:19 0
There is no "proof".
13. Johnny_Mnemonic posted on 31 Jan 2012, 13:02 3
Gémini now I can say your a real ish**p , applehead
42. Johnny_Mnemonic posted on 31 Jan 2012, 18:25 1
@ Gemini Look at poor little ish**p getting mad , way you mad ? cause I'm Only telling the Thruth :P jaja
5. taz89 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 11:39 2
stupid article...thats all there is too say...seriously did this craze effect sansung,NO...also how can something be delayed if it is yet to be announced and if this was the case the razr maxx,note,skyrocket HD etc would not be released or be released very soon.
17. 530gemini posted on 31 Jan 2012, 13:30 3
Oh so now it's stupid. But it's not stupid for fandroids to say that Apple is afraid of andoid devices when there's not even one article posted about about Apple holding off on their releases? :)
Can fandroids be a little more subtle with your biases? Lol.
21. taz89 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 13:51 1
Its stupid because it contradicts what is going on ie phones are STILL being released....do you seriously believe a company like Samsung will stop releasing phones when it has just had a record year?..if this was a quote from an executive then I would believe..android and ios can coexist,neither will get rid of the other...when did I say apple are scared?
26. downphoenix posted on 31 Jan 2012, 15:43 1
why did the 4S release in October when all other Iphones released in June/July? Isnt that proof enough?
37. ardent1 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 17:38 1
In business, too much inventory is the main indicator that new products will be delayed. Given the massive sale of the 4S, it means a massive amount of android devices that were expected to be sold are left collecting dust in the warehouses, supply rooms, on displays, etc. all waiting for new homes. The android OEMs are not going to produce devices if it worsens the massive overstock since it harms the relationships with the retailers. The simpliest solution would be for the android OEMs to take back the unsold goods, but that costs money!
39. taz89 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 18:12 3
Theres no evidence of this happening with htc ,moto or Samsung and clearly with news of certain devices being discontinued it seems most of the inventary is sold out...all am.saying is this article is for fan bait as there is no clear indication of this happening at all like I said if this was the case why are poems still releasing new phones this quarter such as the maxx,skyrocket HD,note lte,spectre,Droid 4 clearly these poems are still releasing new handsets which negates this article...Samsung just had a record year,they have no reason to slow down even with the huge sales of iPhone it has not had a negative impact on Samsung.
44. ardent1 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 18:27 1
No evidence ... Unless you are in denial or had your head in the ground, how could you miss that the 4S took share from android in the recent quarter Q4:11 meaning there were a boatlad of unsold android devices versus plan, respectively.
My advice... Look up channel stuffing.
52. taz89 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 18:41 5
Lol that's what you call evidence...it didn't take market share from android...if you compare all Android sales to ios then you will find that android sold more and ios took more sales from rim...also when the market as a whole gets bigger the numbers tend to change..again my argument is why are NEW devices still being released if they were planning on selling the old inventary it makes no sense...if want you claim is the TRUTH then why are phones STILL being released..android has been activating more than 700000 devices a week if sales were slowing down then that number would be declining and not increasing!
54. taz89 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 18:49 2
Also the article clearly says digitimes suggest this and don't claim that is what is happening.if there was clear indication of such thing happening I am sure they would have concrete information as such they don't have any inside information of any sort....also Samsung had a great great year just as good as apple and don't see reason for them too change anything,maybe a few oems may be doing this but I guarantee not Samsung and you can't really delay a device when a release date is not announced,that's exactly what happened with the 4s it wasn't a delay cause no date was ever announced even when everyone thought it would be in july .
55. Whateverman posted on 31 Jan 2012, 18:49 0
Apple sold 62 million units and Android OEMs sold 60 million in Q4. I don't think that means the were "boatloads" of unsold Android devices collecting dust. Just means that both are doing very, very well. Lets not sound the alarms to abandon ship just yet.
7. darac posted on 31 Jan 2012, 11:40 3
..only confirms that ish**p is not a made up thing.
it's real, and it's BAD.
gosh it makes me sick, that overpriced same old story of a product is selling like it's the eight wonder of the world -.-
18. 530gemini posted on 31 Jan 2012, 13:32 3
@darac. A product that android copied. Let me remind you again that android was meant to have a hard keyboard to compete with blackberries :)
30. willardcw4 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 16:54 2
I guess companies aren't allowed to innovate or change the direction of their product development... totally unacceptable (sarcasm).
58. Johnny_Mnemonic posted on 31 Jan 2012, 22:42 2
@Gemini. Once again poor ish**p thinking that iphone was the first smartphone ever jaja
8. bigdawg23 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 11:58 5
Many people are selecting the iPhone because of ease of operation. Yes it has limitations on customization and other things but say what you will its a good phone. I have owned the SGS 2 Skyrocket and now the 4S. I prefer the 4S. Yes I liked to root my phone and customize it, which I can do the same thing on the 4S. Most people I encounter are selecting the iPhone because of the ease of use.
Readers on these sites are usually technology advanced so we view Android different. While people just getting a smartphone like the simplicity of the iPhone. I like the Apps and the camera quality. Not to mention I prefer the music player. However that is just my opinion. I have a coworker that despises Apple and I get to hear it all the time. Meanwhile I don't get force close errors like he does and anything I download works on my phone vs Android where it varies from one model to the next.
11. kellkeezy posted on 31 Jan 2012, 12:54 1
@bigdawg23 thank you so much for being resonable about it! You couldnt have said it better I had an adroid and I really do miss it, but the iPhone 4s finally came to sprint, and I was ready for an upgrade so I wanted to see what it was all about. I love the simplicity of it all and who know maybe ill go back to Android phones. Especially since the battery life is getting better and the bugs and UI are looking at a brighter future! but for right now my iPhone is working just as good as some of these other phones out right now.
I really dont do much rooting or for that fact customization when I had my EVO 4G so switching to the iPhone made my life just as simple as the Android did. Albiet I had to re-learn typing on a smaller display, but it wasnt a big deal, and the music player is alot easier for me to use and load music on then my EVO.
9. darac posted on 31 Jan 2012, 12:18 2
sure it's a good phone but it's not an out of this world phone, like it's selling figures suggest .. not by a long shot.
12. murali_v_2000 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 12:59 2
Totally baseless crap. Randomly connecting some article in Taiwanese magazine and a supposition that some android phones to be released in 2Q, DOES NOT point to the conclusion that android phones are delayed due to iCrap demand. Learn some logic first.
19. 530gemini posted on 31 Jan 2012, 13:36 4
Tell that to fandroids who kept saying that Apple is afraid of android. But I bet you'd say that one makes sense, even when you don't have proof at all as well :)
Typical fandroid. STUPID :)
22. MorePhonesThanNeeded posted on 31 Jan 2012, 14:22 6
Too retarded to notice why people say that? Does it have to do with the fact that Apple tend to try to ban Android device makers products? Anyway that's more than enough words wasted on your kind, take that anyway you like it as you do with everything else in your slightly miserable life.
This article is a bit of flame bait if you ask me, stating what looks obvious in order to incite people to read. Look most retailers don't bring out new products in the first quarter, why? After coming off Christmas high, most consumers will be spent and not looking to spend a lot of money. Q1 is notoriously a slow moving quarter, look in every sector of retail no one really brings out their big guns consumers just aren't biting as much as they do in the following quarters. Thanks PA for this useless piece of journalism, written by some first year lad looking for a job by stating the obvious and then applying it to some fear of a company's product popularity.
24. RandomlyPsychotic posted on 31 Jan 2012, 15:22 0
americans are obsessed with electronic apples.
27. snowgator posted on 31 Jan 2012, 16:35 0
Android phones combined still outsell the iPhone, so I do not know where these "American's are Apple-only" posts are coming from. The iPhone is a world wide sensation. Yes, it is HUGE here, but there is no reason to ignore the facts that the U.S. is like most markets and is wide open to sales from different devices.
28. snowgator posted on 31 Jan 2012, 16:43 0
Pure speculation for sure, but just from the sales numbers there may be a little truth to it. Yes, there are still Android releases happening so we can put to bed the thought that Android manufacturers are asleep until Spring turns to Summer. And I think we can all agree that most iPhone sales are those that are iFans and will only get an Apple branded toy anyways. But, if I am sitting at board meeting at a manufacturer of Android kicking around release dates, and it is just a matter of weeks to a month delay, what's it hurt? Motorola has said it is aiming for a smaller number of releases, Samsung always pushes it's Galaxy series as it's big boy and will not be entering in the GS3 for a while yet, and LG and HTC need a hit. Why not build a little excitment and let the iPhone 4S fanfare die down?
61. remixfa posted on 01 Feb 2012, 07:09 0
i doubt there is too much truth to it, but again, it doesnt matter. There is a delay this year because phones are going to start dropping with ICS. The "big" phones are all being delayed so they can stock up on quad cores as well. I dont see a lot of "omg apple" in supply chain issues.
At this point, i dont really think apple and android affect each other too much. They are fighting over first time smart phone buyers more than they are each other because people get tied into the system they are in. Of course there are cross overs, but the real money is in the new guys. And the new guys dont normally wait for new releases, they go into a store and pick from what is available since they are not familiar enough to wait for a certain phone. And if thats true, then it doesnt matter when a phone drops, as long as its in the store to be a choice.
31. remixfa posted on 31 Jan 2012, 16:55 3
does it matter? this just means that there are good phones dropping all year long. besides, Samsung dropped the sgs2 in the us mere moments before the i4s dropped and it still sells quite well.
if it is true, its not the only industry that does that. video games skip Christmas all the time so there is less competition to increase their sales. I'm happy with that. instead of 10 great games all fighting over the same moment, we get great games spread through the year.
how is that a bad thing?
35. theoak posted on 31 Jan 2012, 17:26 0
Right ... and then in the second quarter Apple will announce the iPad 3 ... so folks will save their money for that ...
41. knowledge posted on 31 Jan 2012, 18:15 0
Of course android makers are scared of Apple. If I was putting out junk and slapping a giant screen on it I'd be scared too.
50. DigitalJedi_X2 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 18:36 3
This article is the kind of baseless CRAP that causes people to say Phonearena are nothing more than a bunch of Apple fanboys. That and the fact that the words "iSh33p" and "CR@pple" are banned by this site but "Fandroids" isn't. No wonder everyone calls this site "iPhonearena".
53. DigitalJedi_X2 posted on 31 Jan 2012, 18:43 1
And with the EVO 3D from HTC, the SGSII from Samsung, the Galaxy Nexus from Google, the DROID RAZR from Motorola & the Lumia phones from Nokia, why would they have to drop anything else right now? At least Michael Heller has the balls to defend his articles. Even if they're baseless. This Victor H guy just drops uninformed CRAP and ducks under cover.
62. u-suck-more posted on 01 Feb 2012, 08:04 0
doesn't everyone already know tt this Victor H. guy is the biggest Apple fan boy working for PhoneArena already? i still rmb a poll he made about buying Iphones, the last option was ''I don't intend to buy an I-Phone yet'' bitch, I NEVER intend to buy an I-Phone. Im happy and content with my LG Optimus 3D. screw Apple
63. remixfa posted on 01 Feb 2012, 09:03 0
just a dr. obvious moment. the last 2 SGS phones have been dropped in Q2, which coincides with apple's announcements. seems more like they are going directly after apple instead of running from them.