Should your phone be a personal assistant?
0. phoneArena 21 Oct 2011, 10:11 posted on
There's been a lot of talk about Siri these days and iPhone's attempt to turn your phone into a personal assistant, but Andy Rubin doesn't believe that's what phones should be for. What do you think?...
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13. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Android has been doing this for a while dude just not in the conversation format. Get over yourself.
Apple took what people loved about Android and they improved on it.
PS. When I say "they" obviously I mean the company that actually created the software, not Apple.
16. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Did you know iPhone has had voice commands since 2009?
25. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
so on your commands you could call numbers outside your directory , set alarms and events, get directions to places, send text messages, do notes to seft and search any content on the web and take dictation?
Like it or not Siri evolved from what android had and added a certain level or artificial intelligence so instead of hearing different tones you would hear a human voice
29. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
It did talk to you, but it was voice commands not natural speech. What android had that iPhone was voice text entry.
Now iPhone has taken back the lead.
40. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
the only commands I remember was for music playback and calling on your directory.
48. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
There was more. I could tell it to dial a number by saying the number for example. I could ask it what time it was.
55. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
I could call regular number on prior iOS devices, I could use commands that use simple calculations, but I couldn't have called a number depending on where I was located, or find a restaurant around my zone while I could play the music on my iPhone I just couldn't ask it to go looking for an artist ant play all their songs on my device, you know why Siri needs and internet connection? Same reason Google does.
35. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4668; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
taco50 WILL claim Apple had those features. We all know Android had those features & in 2009 Apple copied them. Now they buy Siri from Nuance & say they invented it. It's the same vicious cycle over & over. iSheep WILL make things up & they will say some bogus stuff. YOU do have a point on all that you stated protozeloz!
38. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I stated a fact Apple has had voice commands for a long time even though android fanboys try to pretend it didn't.
Apple bought Siri. Great did you know google BOUGHT android? What's your point?
Fandroids don't like facts.
41. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
"Android has been doing this for a while dude just not in the conversation format. Get over yourself.
Apple took what people loved about Android and they improved on it.
PS. When I say "they" obviously I mean the company that actually created the software, not Apple."
Where do I say Apple did not have voice commands? You don't even read posts you just have a knee-jerk "THEY MUST BE A FANBOY" response.
I think PhoneArena should have a poll, and it should be whether or not to ban taco50 by ip address (if possible). He is the worst thing that ever happened to this site.
45. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4668; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I have used every iPhone. The voice commands you talk about are very grade school like. Nothing on like what Android has had. In 2009 Apple had its voice commands on the level of pre-k. Siri is something that is like & on Android's level. To catch up to Android, Apple had to buy Siri. Google bought Android way back when. The smartphone game then was not what it is today.
91. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4668; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Yeah now because they have Nuance's technology. Without that Apple's voice recognition would still be on a level of a small child!
46. Snapdude (Posts: 128; Member since: 27 Aug 2009)
did you know that my circa 2006 lg flip phone had the exact same voice commands iphone had up until the 4s? voice commands are nothing new, and siri has borught a great new twist on them to the market and android will undoubtedly try to capitalize on it as well, doesnt make either one inferiror to the other. both doing the same thing in different ways
51. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I realize that. Android fanboys act like google invented voice commands.
56. Snapdude (Posts: 128; Member since: 27 Aug 2009)
and iphone fans claim iOS created voice interaction with siri.. the street goes both ways, both OS's have had the basic forms of these features for a long time... they just each decided to develop different things first leaving one to be stronger in one category than the other and vice versa... it is impossible to say one is superior to the other based off a few key fetures
60. jacko (unregistered)
i dont coz i dont give a s**t about voice commands
when im pressing buttons i know 95% of the time i get what im saying to the other person/s
64. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@superandroid. Show us any article where Apple stated that they invented Siri. You android fanboys had to resort to putting words into other people's mouth out of desperation from losing an argument. And you have the nerve to say that we make things up? Read my lips, Apple innovates, they don't invent. And android copies their innovations, just like android will once again copy what Apple has done with Siri. Android is nothing but an iOS rip off that symbian lovers adopted right away :)
70. skywalker4711 (Posts: 10; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
@530gemini - Sigh. You're really quite pathetic. Apple has innovated. Android has innovated. Like someone mentioned earlier... these companies borrow ideas to further progress industry. If you want to be ridiculous about this crap, Apple copied Alexander Graham Bell. And, as for voice integrated applications, applications like Vlingo predate Siri. Please do us all a favor and grow up. Check your facts.
73. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@sky. Apple innovates, android copies whatever Apple does. From the iphone, to the ipad. Simple as that. Learn the differences between innovating and inventing and copying. And yes, there were other voice apps before Siri, just like there were touchscreen phones before the iphone. But Apple always gives it their own twist to make their implementation DIFFERENT from what's already out there, and then android simply copies, like they will with Siri :)
78. skywalker4711 (Posts: 10; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
There were smartphones before the iPhone.
There were tablets before the iPad.
There was voice apps before Siri.
Your argument is so beyond immature that Android copies Apple. Last I checked, Android OS looks and functions nothing like iOS.
If you could, please name something COMPLETELY UNIQUE to Apple that Android has copied without making a twist to it.
110. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@sky. Hello? Android copied the iphone and the ipad :) Go ask the courts. They've banned several android devices already :)
90. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4668; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Why is Siri different? IBM's Watson is DIFFERENT. It can think & actually learn & give you different answers. So Apple technically copied IBM on a pathetic, half hearted level. Too bad for Apple’s never releasing half baked products. (Siri is BETA!) What DIFFERENT spin did Apple give? All you do is hold the button & talk. Sweet innovation VERY DIFFERENT Apple spin. lol I think innovation is Google Wallet, NFC chip, a 720p HD Super AMOLED screen, & Android Ice Cream Sandwich, which is optimized for dual-core chipsets. WOW that sounds like the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. The phone itself looks like innovation. Apple's innovations same physical & OS design, 800MHz dual-core, Android's notification drop down, Siri & the constant high price. WOW that sounds like an Apple iPhone 4S. Ohh yeah real innovation! :-)
Sounds like Apple is more like copying instead of innovating.
96. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
lol apple invented the smartphone and tablet lol check fcats please cause there was smartphones and tablets WAY before apple even thought of smartphones...the only thing apple did was simplify and popularize them fact.
87. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4668; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
530gemini you are so off it's insane. I NEVER said that Apple invented Siri. All I said is that iSheep will CLAIM that Apple invented it. What losing argument? Apple needed to BUY Siri so they can stand a chance in the voice command scope of things. Android is so far ahead of Apple that they needed to buy Siri to finally be on Android's level. Android is not a rip off of iOS since Android was in development first. Apple innovates? Sure if coping other OS's is innovation then sure. Let me guess the Apple notification drop down is innovation right? The notification drop down for iOS5 is on par with Android 1.6. It's still inferior to Android! lol Nice innovation 530gemini! :-)
111. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@superandroid. Yes, you didn't say that Apple invented Siri, but you said that Apple claims that they did when they didn't :) And no iphone user have ever claimed that Apple invented Siri either. So yes, you are putting words into other people's mouth, because you have run out of juices. So what if Apple bought Siri. No one is complaining that google bought android :) Siri is not android's level. Android has nothing like Siri, but they are of course in the process of copying it :) And yes, the truth bites that android is an iOS rip-off. The iphone came out in 2007, and android immediately ripped it off in late 2008 :) The iphone's OS have been in development before android existed on this planet. IOS5 drop down notification is much better than android's :) And, that drop down gesture has been a part of iOS api's way back in 2007. So again, android just ripped it off and put it on their notification :)
34. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Was it necessary to have the first paragraph lashing out? Couldn't you just play the game in a civil manner and be a part of the conversation rather than trying to start a fight?
37. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
It's in response to the constant trolling of Apple
39. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
taco you are probably the worst troll on this site. I have almost never seen you give valuable input into a conversation and i've been reading PhoneArena for awhile now.
It's absolutely pathetic, and you need to grow the hell up.
52. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Sorry you don't like facts buddy. Maybe androidcentral will treat you better where you and your buddies can all troll around free from reality
54. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
It's like in grade school where if someone hit you and you hit them back, you were never "even", the hitting just continued until someone gave up or started bleeding.
65. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@michael. I'm sure you've read enough android fanboys' comments on here that you should know whether or not iphone users would say anything, they're out to attack us anyway. But I guess the underdogs (android fanboys) always get the sympathy :)
88. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Your post is the entire problem with this site. You think that when people make comments about Apple they are "out to attack you".
Are you Apple? Jesus christ. It's a f**king company. Love it as much as you want but you don't have to act like any negative comment or feedback regarding them is a personal attack on you...
112. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@iam. Oh please. Just look at what your fellow android fanboys post on here. But of course, you think that it's totally fine right? But when we iphone users react or defend iOS, all of a sudden we're the bad guys, lol. I am not Apple. Are you google? And who said that I take what you android fanboys posts as a personal attack to me? I never took it personal. But it seems like you are taking it on a personal level :)
128. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Fellow Android fanboys?
Find me some of my posts showing that i'm a fanboy... otherwise you need to just stop talking.
98. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?
Neither OS is better. It's just a matter of personal preference.
113. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@michael. Tell that to the android fanboys. They're the ones present on every article about Apple and badmouth iOS and its users :) A result of their bitterness and envy the fact that no matter what they say or do, the iphone came out first, and android will always be the rip-off OS :)
119. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Both Apple fanboys and Android fanboys instigate trouble in our comment threads. No one is free from blame in this mess, and your policy of slinging mud "because they do it too" is complete BS. Everyone needs to stop.
Sure the iPhone came out before Android, but the iPhone wasn't the first smartphone to ever exist either. Everyone borrows and builds on the tech created by others, that's how we as consumers continue to get the best toys to play with.
Flame wars do nothing but drive away people from our site who may want to actually learn something about the tech world. Why would any casual observer want to wade into the awful mess you fanboys make everywhere? It does no one any good. You're never going to think anything good about Android, the Android guys will never think anything good about Apple.
Our job at this site is to see the good and bad in all the competitors. That's what we'll be doing, because the truth has to win. Not your opinion or someone else's opinion. Just the truth. Neither OS is perfect, and the strengths and weaknesses of each have nothing to do with you. You're just a consumer. You're one of the lucky ones who gets to play with these awesome toys. If someone says something bad about a platform, maybe it's true, maybe it isn't, but flame wars aren't going to uncover the truth. They just burn everyone involved.
And, that's it. I'm out. You guys have fun doing whatever you want. I'm done.
124. Sniggly (Posts: 7281; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I'm with Michael 100%. The bulls**t needs to stop on all sides, and both the hardcore Android guys and iOS guys need to take ownership of their roles in it. I already do. Whateverman does. Biophone and Davecann already keep things reasonable. Taco, Gemini, it's up to you two mainly at this point. You as well, Gallito. You guys are the ones starting out being assholes 75 percent of the time nowadays. You do it half the time by whining about us picking on Apple or you. What the hell do you think is going to happen at that point? But no, you want to feel vindicated by baiting us into responding and saying "see? It's their fault!"
I'm sick of the stupid, petty games. This goes for the Android guys too. I'm not going to be supportive of any needless bulls**t from any of you either.
We can do this. Or maybe Phonearena needs to start banhammering users. SHUT UP, Taco, you deserve to get banned too at this point for all the contempt you've shown Phonearena's warnings about not being a jerk.
And I don't care if this comment gets moderated. It's been over a year since half of us joined. At the very least, shut up because you have nothing new to say anymore to each other.
132. aztaxia12295 (Posts: 269; Member since: 22 Nov 2009)
ive been here over 2 years and it hasn't ever got this bad, EVER. its kind of annoying seeing both fanboys going at it. i love android more than ios, but do i troll about it? no
i once trolled somewhere (not gonna say) and i still regret doing it. its stupid. people need to get banned here, pronto.
12. Sniggly (Posts: 7281; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Meh... I might find some use for the feature at some point, but I never really did much with voice commands before. I might play with the feature once in a while, but similarly to Iris, I'll probably just ask a bunch of stupid questions jist to see what this hypothetical assistant says.
14. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1703; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
agreed i use it just to laugh at it when she gets it wrong or responds with some attitude
20. nimo (Posts: 72; Member since: 11 Jun 2010)
Mine is a He, He refuses to confirm that he's ***, but i'm pretty sure he is.
66. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@sniggly. Until android releases their own assistant, then it would be so useful that you cannot live without it, right :)
93. Sniggly (Posts: 7281; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Nope. Not right. For me to find such a feature useful would require a major change in my lifestyle and needs.
114. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@sniggly. Of course you'll forget what you're saying now when google releases their android assistant, hahahahaha.
125. Sniggly (Posts: 7281; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
No I won't. I've been pretty consistent about what I want out of devices. For instance, I still can't justify the expense of a tablet of any brand, as much as I like Honeycomb.
17. nimo (Posts: 72; Member since: 11 Jun 2010)
Siri is complete and utter crap, its nothing that hasn't been available for years technology wise. It doesn't work properly outside the US, and it gets what you say wrong 90% of the time, unless you speak like an American News reader.
23. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
It was designed by an American company.
30. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
That's why it doesn't have as good of support outside the US right now.
67. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@nimo. Well Apple is an American company after all. So what do you expect? Not our fault if your diction is crappy :) Of course voice technology has been out for a while, just not as awesome as Siri :)
18. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
This is the next step of evolution. Voice commands was step 1. Siri is step 2. It's still somewhat limited, but as it expands it will be more and more useful. This can also be used on pc's.
22. nimo (Posts: 72; Member since: 11 Jun 2010)
Whats useful about, I say "send a message to Kate." Siri. I don't understand Cute.
I say "write a note" Siri I couldn't find Reganold in your contacts.
32. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Funny cause I've used it myself and it works fine. All the demos posted online it works fine.
Maybe try pulling the phallus out of your mouth before you use it.
44. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Good one taco, considering I used that same comment towards you when you said Android voice-to-text didn't work.
I love that you read all my posts.
53. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I don't actually. Don't even know who you are.
I do appreciate my fans though. Thanks for your support.