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Should your phone be a personal assistant?

0. phoneArena 21 Oct 2011, 10:11 posted on

There's been a lot of talk about Siri these days and iPhone's attempt to turn your phone into a personal assistant, but Andy Rubin doesn't believe that's what phones should be for. What do you think?...

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posted on 21 Oct 2011, 11:33 3

1. Snapdude (Posts: 128; Member since: 27 Aug 2009)


i wont lie, its fun to use.... actual usefulness is minimal IMO outside of normal voice command functions

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 13:23 2

58. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


well, a large part of siri is just making said usefulness easier to use and more versatile. you arent as limited in how you speak to your phone and the system is more responsive.

i dont see anything groundbreaking with siri, but i do see a big step forward in the natural progression of voice interaction.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 13:25 2

59. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@ayephoner. And that big step forward to the progession of voice interaction would be taken by Google, right? Hahahahahaha

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 14:15 2

77. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


of all the idiot fandroid trolling on this site, this is some of the least thought out, stupid i have ever seen.

at least be witty, or have a point of some kind.

hahahahahaha (im not really laughing, just mocking you)

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 14:24 2

79. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Gemini a fandroid? That's new on my book

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 14:26

80. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


i was just trying to post that i missed some sarcasm or something.

that makes twice today. oops. my bad gemini.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 14:34 1

83. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


She is trying to Say that you consider it not groundbreaking, but a big step and trying to make that a punch line of some sort because she believes it is.

I think siri is a big step, and I look forward smartphones being like the NT warrior series

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 15:16 1

89. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Siri is evolution of the system. Its not revolution. With or without the sarchastic canned responces, it is a good step forward in "how" we get to communicate with the system as it responds to a more broad array of commands to do the same thing, instead of androids "1 command" for each thing.

As far as a phone that actually "talks back" like real AI, we are probably 20 years from that. Siri is an evolved voice command system with some cheap magic tricks to make people think its "AI".

posted on 22 Oct 2011, 08:16 1

127. andro. (Posts: 1971; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


cheap tricks which fool islaves but that really doesn't thake much,remember the people and even apple managers in ads for facetime crying because they can see 'my son on the other side of the call"? Millions fell for it

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 18:00 3

100. andro. (Posts: 1971; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


its fun for the first hour or two but ask any android user who pretty much has been using the exact same as siri just under a different name for the past year or so its something which gets dull and boring quite fast.

Islaves of course just only receiving such tech now rave as if its going to change the world much like they did with facetime last year when most had experienced it in 2005 on cheap Nokia and lg phones etc.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 20:00 1

106. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@andro. I don't think anyone expects any android fanboy like you to enjoy Siri, lol. Nothing in android comes close to Siri. There was already a comparison made as to which voice app takes dictation much better. And Siri got 95% right, while android less than 50% right, hahahahaha. And you have the balls to say that android has the same level of tech?

As for facetime. It delivers the best videocall experience. Those cheap nokia phones with videocalling features back in 2005 only has videocalling on paper, but pretty much unusable, hahahahahaha. Except of course nokia lovers, turned android fanboys, like you who probably used videocalling every day on your 2005 nokia device with hd quality video right? Hahahahahaha

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 21:14

115. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Where you got those numbers from? Where they using the speak settings off? On reviews of it it was compared with android and said to. Be on pair. But hey I don't know why would I argue with you

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 21:29 1

117. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


remix, good post (i think we're closer than 20 years though)

i really wish we could have some discussions in the comment sections that didnt turn into polarizing, juvenile, aimless insults.

and saying android has had the same voice control functionality as siri is like saying feature phones had the same voice control as android 8 years ago. (they did have some).

and siri is somewhat revolutionary in that a good deal of the processing is done server side. that is really cool.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 22:50 1

120. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I also agree that 20 is a big number, I mean I was expecting superphones by 2020. What I don't agree is with gemini now saying that android will go and copy while apple doesn't.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 21:59

118. protozeloz (Posts: 5381; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I know you might just pull a video or something but I can also post this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPdZgt2O2ks

this guy also agreed that Google only made a small mistake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqkBJV0-4jA&feature=related

basically the only difference is on the information siri manages and how is tweaked to understand various words instead of one command, I has access to more of your content and interact with you, also is good to say that Google also has better support for non English languages and other countries where siri can do little yet, also with the new continuous dictation expect Google's accuracy to go even further, Google mainly focused on making the voice recognition work before adding the fancy stuff in

posted on 22 Oct 2011, 08:13

126. andro. (Posts: 1971; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


mmmmm thats a good islave let the apple pr setting deep in your brain,siri is revolutionary....wow its cool.....you love it......your friends will envy you.....you want to spend all your money on it....theres nothing ever been available like this before......mmmmmmnot last year on android......mmmmm no don't believe them.....facetime is the best.......you can cry when you see your friend on the other side.....


You obviously werent using video calling in 2005 or else had a crappy network with poor 3g as it was quite revolutionary at the time but wore thin fast,facetime of course meant that never happended and apple changed historys timeline again again

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 13:59 1

69. Phullofphil (Posts: 801; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)


i just want to say one thing. voice actions was here befor iris and and is an ad on to googles voice systems and it pretty much does what seri does although its not tied into the machin so tight. every one with android try it its free. and 4 bucks for apple probably cause it hase to use googles voice tech. any way get into a quit place and you can have a conversasion with her if you tr you can ovously make her seem not so smart. but itdoes alot. i really dont likeany of that unless its a gimic but i hate that that app is never menrioned

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 18:00 2

99. andro. (Posts: 1971; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


agreed,its fun for the first hour or two but ask any android user who pretty much has been using the exact same as siri just under a different name for the past year or so its something which gets dull and boring quite fast.

Islaves of course just only receiving such tech now rave as if its going to change the world much like they did with facetime last year when most had experienced it in 2005 on cheap Nokia and lg phones etc.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 20:01

107. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@andro. I don't think anyone expects any android fanboy like you to enjoy Siri, lol. Nothing in android comes close to Siri. There was already a comparison made as to which voice app takes dictation much better. And Siri got 95% right, while android less than 50% right, hahahahaha. And you have the balls to say that android has the same level of tech?

As for facetime. It delivers the best videocall experience. Those cheap nokia phones with videocalling features back in 2005 only has videocalling on paper, but pretty much unusable, hahahahahaha. Except of course nokia lovers, turned android fanboys, like you who probably used videocalling every day on your 2005 nokia device with hd quality video right? Hahahahahaha

posted on 22 Oct 2011, 00:45

122. shafboy (Posts: 179; Member since: 26 Sep 2010)


I think that the competition should just accept it and move on, it is good, develop better and learn from them.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 11:34 2

2. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


Siri is a good addition but it's not necessary or important. Too bad it's no longer available in the AppStore..

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 11:34 1

3. android_hitman (Posts: 665; Member since: 07 Jul 2010)


where's the poll?

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 11:41 1

7. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2691; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Sorry, technical difficulties with the poll. Just gonna have to be a sound off in the comments type of deal.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 19:10 1

104. iosmaster (Posts: 115; Member since: 06 Jul 2011)


remember to add; its a beta, sorry for her but she just hasnt recive its assistant degree just yet C=

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 11:36 3

4. DJLegacy2k5 (Posts: 212; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Who wants to have a convo with their phone? Commands and show of success is all that is needed. Who needs to tell their voice command program to sing them a song, or get a witty response when you tell it youre drunk, or tell it you love it. Pretty soon kids wont need friends they can buy an Ipad and have a virtual friend Siri that talks to them...pretty worthless if you ask me.

I wish my phone was my friend (rolls eyes)

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 11:39 4

5. Alantef (Posts: 287; Member since: 14 Sep 2011)


6 months people are going to forget this is on their phones

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 12:01

10. pourguoin (Posts: 5; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


totally

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 18:05 1

102. andro. (Posts: 1971; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


no 6 hours later most will,but still claim apple changed everything with it no matter how much android has had it over a year ago!

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 11:41 7

6. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


I don't think your phone needs to be a personal assistant, but I do like the fact that Siri follows what you're saying as if you are having a conversation with it.

I see no benefit from (as mentioned above):

Me: "Siri, i'm drunk."
Siri: "Sounds like fun! I'll call you a cab."

What I DO see a (significant) benefit from is:

Me: "Siri, do I have any appointments tomorrow at 2PM?"
Siri: "No."
Me: "Make an appointment with XXX for half an hour and send them an email to confirm."

Maybe i'm a rare one but I actually use the voice features on my Thunderbolt on a daily basis, whether it's just as i'm walking from one end of the office to the other shooting a text message to someone or i'm using it for navigation... I absolutely love it.

It's worth noting that I don't even know if Siri can do what I mentioned above but that is the type of thing I would like to see.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 11:50

8. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


haha very clever of you..

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 12:25

24. Whateverman (Posts: 3231; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I agree and Andy should reconsider. There are many useful features in Siri that other OSs would be wise to duplicate.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 18:02

101. andro. (Posts: 1971; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


the only ones who think is it is islaves but then seeing as android users have had this technology a year ago its worn thin,much like apple managers and islaves were crying in tv ads over the joy of facetime while most had got bored of it in 2005 in nokia phones

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 20:06

108. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@andro. Stop it already with your prelude that android had this years ago. I know why you keep on saying this. Because you know that google will copy Siri, and you can say that android already had it before Siri, right? Lol. No one made a big deal of android's voice apps because it was inaccurate and useless. Siri is the biggest thing ever. And of course that's hard for you to accept once again that Apple hit another homerun. So you cover it up by saying that android had this already, hahahahahaha, when you know very well that android's voice apps are inferior to Siri.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 21:25 1

116. remixfa (Posts: 14126; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


wow.. your a nutter.

you know that siri was just an app on the market that WAS available already.. then apple bought it, pulled it from the market, and made it the only real selling feature of iOS5? Why because they failed and couldnt do it themselves.

People didnt make a big deal about androids voice controls because android didnt make a big deal out of it. like everything else, its one of 3000 things u can do on the phone. its a big deal on iOS because iOS does NOTHING. Its just voice commands with some pre canned semi-witty banter programed in. if thats a home run to you, you really do have lowered expectations.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 11:54 3

9. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Of course hoards of android fanboys won't see smartphones as an assistant. But of course they'll change their minds as soon as android comes up with their own, lol. They always SHAMELESSLY do.

When you talk to Siri. Does the person accross the street knows whether you're talking to Siri or another person? Nope. When you're in your car talking to Siri to set up an appointment or something, does the driver in the car next to you knows that you're talking to Siri and not another person. Nope. It's just a matter of getting used to it. And it's fun. It's a DIFFERENT way of doing things. And it does make your phone SMARTER. Who wouldn't want that? Android fanboys for now. But they will want it as soon as android copies it :)

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 12:04 3

11. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I love the presumption here. Is it like how iFanboys didn't give a rat's ass about proper notifications until Apple copied Android? Or how about not caring about an 8 megapixel camera until that was thrown in? You guys won't care about proper multitasking until Apple gives it to you, and then you'll be all "YEAHHH! WHO'S LAUGHING NOW, BITCHES! HAHAHAHA!" See what I'm doing here?

Name one feature that Android users claimed not to care about until Android got it.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 12:14 3

15. rf1975 (Posts: 249; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


Yes and you did not had a OS to talk until google (Andy Rubin) steal the OS concept from Apple.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 12:16 3

19. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Except Android has been in existence since 2003. And under Google's control since 2005. And was released just over a year after the iPhone. The concept of iOS was not stolen from Apple.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 12:35

31. rf1975 (Posts: 249; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


Don't say that Andy Rubin didn't work for Apple (1989-1992) and General Magic (an Apple spin-off) where he develop mobile OS and interface.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 12:48 2

43. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


And what out of those companies looked remotely like Android before Rubin and his cohorts developed it? Android is based entirely on software that Apple did not even come close to developing. It uses the Webkit browser, sure, but that's an open source project meant to be used by everyone as a framework. The OS itself is not Apple's property, nor does it bear closer resemblance to Apple's property than anything else.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 13:03

49. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


do you really think that Apple is already in the works of the iOS on those years? Where cellphones barely exists? come on..

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 13:38 2

62. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@sniggly. Android existed since 2003, but didn't release their phones after the iphone. Why? Because obviously, iphone's OS was developed earlier than android. Sorry sniggly, but the iphone came out first, not any android phone. And Steve was betrayed by Andy. Which is a clear sign that Google did something despicable :)

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 12:27 1

26. rf1975 (Posts: 249; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


Do you remember "pinch-to-zoom" .........

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 12:32 1

28. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


and pinch to zoom is a whole OS right lol everyone copies everyone when something becomes popular but it seems only apple and its fans get hurt when someone copies apple lol

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 13:20 1

57. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


i dont know, sniggly. i think its much more one sided (at least with the comments that are made on this site).

and the copying thing should not be so offensive. the two systems (and others) are pushing the industry forward. they do this by borrowing from each other.

the fandroids shooting down the usefulness of siri most reminds me of when the ipad rumors were starting. "who needs a giant iphone?", "why would i want a laptop with no keyboard and less functions?", "there isn't a market for tablets, those things will never sell"

and where do ipad sales and the tablet market stand today?

i think voice commands will become more prevalant and more versatile. siri is just one big push in many, many pushes to make that happen.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 13:34

61. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@sniggly. We did not say that android's notification was bad or useless at all. Neither did we say that 8mp camera is not nice to have. We said we were satisfied with what we have with our iphones. You android fanboys ATTACK iphone users and Apple for features that we have that you guys haven't implemented yet.

Remember, android fanboys were symbian lovers before adopting android. And you guys mocked the iphone's capacitive touchscreen. You guys mocked the ipad. You guys mocked multitouch, etc. But when android came out, you symbian lovers embraced android which is a rip off of iOS and ate everything negative you said about the iphone :)

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 13:43

63. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


never heard of an iPhone feature that hasnt been implemented on Android..

but theres a lot of Android features that aren't on iPhone yet.. probably will never be on iPhone..

what do you think ?

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 13:59

68. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Seriously. There's not a single feature on iPhone that's not on android? Are you forgetting iPhone came out well before android?

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 14:07

74. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


that's not the point taco, all the features that the iPhone had on it's initial release already existed. Matter of fact the iPhone didnt have some features that phones are supposed to have.

and for the record, Android has been under developement way before the iOS has been developed by Apple. Nothing for Android developers to copy at that time.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 16:17

95. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


A lot of the touch gestures were introduced by Apple. They didn't exist before the iPhone

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 14:01

71. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@arc. The iphone came out in 2007, android phones came out 2008. And you tell me that you've never heard of any iphone feature that's not implemented on android. Well maybe because android is an iOS rip-off :)

The only 2 things I could think of that android supports and Apple does not is BT file transfer and flash, for anti-piracy and OS stability reasons.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 14:15

76. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


ohh you wanna start this again? give me a reason why the Android is an iOS rip off? for all i care, iOS is becoming an Android rip off my friend, how's that notification center look like?

things that android supports that apple dont? are you forgetting about 4G? how about widgets? and the list goes on so come on man. stop that bullsh*t and accept the facts.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 14:33 1

82. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


arc, please make some attempt to be a bit more obtuse.

android is about offering features, any and all of them regardless of implimentation. such is the nature of open source. its about freedom and some things are not always done well. they take from all sorts of places, including apple. they try to offer everything that has ever been offered by anyone.

iOS is about efficiency and execution. such is a closed system. and they will not budge on any offering if they feel it might sacrifice the system. they also try to offer everything, but only once they feel its polished enough and fits well.

this puts android ahead in feature offerings. this puts iOS ahead in getting more out of less. now, apple's lead there is often see in their profit margin, which seems to bother fandroids much more than the apple customers spending the money.

otherwise, the two systems are not that vastly different and should not result in such die hard allegience from you fandroids. i just dont get it (i dont get the 'isheep' either, but they dont have the same presence here)

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 14:49

84. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


not so fast ayephoner, your biased comment doesnt cover you up for your iSheep-ness.

name the 'things that are not always done well' ? coz i cant recall anything like that to be honest with you..

and what do you mean by android offering things not yet offered before? that's what you call innovation and originality.

i know iOS makes things better. but those are stolen ideas. and yet they sue samsung about stealing their ideas? f*ck off...

and talking about sales, we don't have to argue that, ANDROID IS THE BEST SELLING OS IN THE WORLD. That is a fact that everyone in PA knows.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 14:57 2

85. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Well Android fans - inclusing myself - are deeply dissatisfied with the restrictions Apple poses upon it's products.

But it IS bewildering as of why Apple fans should be dissatisfied with the freedom of Android so deeply.

Android = iOS + more features. That's how I see it. Sure, as you put it, not everything is 100% perfect, but I dare to say - despite never owning an Android phone - that in 9 times out of 10 - everything works out as intended.

And if it doesn't - there are a zillion of custom roms.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 15:06 1

86. arcq12 (Posts: 733; Member since: 13 Oct 2011)


you nailed it illa1986.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 15:33 1

92. Sniggly (Posts: 7182; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


What is this happy horses**t about us being symbian lovers? I wasn't even aware of Symbian until well after I got into Android.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 15:51 1

94. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Lucky you, man. I was forced to endure Symbian S60v5 on a RESISTIVE "touch" screen, on a Nokia 5800.

The Horror. The Horror.

Oh God. for some reason I just imagined a horrible combination: iOS + Justin Bieber.

Both must die.

posted on 21 Oct 2011, 20:11

109. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@illa. You want iOS to die because it hurts you all the time to be reminded by iOS it demolished symbian and it came out before android. That's why you want it to die so bad, hahahahaha. Well sorry. IOS will always be the original and android will always be the wannabe iOS rip-off :)

posted on 22 Oct 2011, 02:32

123. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Actually I want iOS to die because it represents a philosophy of a certain fruit company, according to which, computers are like toasters - you get what you get. A finished, unalterable product with 0 user customization whatsoever.

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