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Should voting using a smartphone or a tablet be allowed?

0. phoneArena 06 Nov 2012, 08:33 posted on

The year is 2012. The number of people that own a smartphone, a tablet, or both, is steadily increasing. And that should come as no surprise as users can do so many things on them - surf the web, watch movies, manage their bank account, or even buy airplane tickets. At the same time, the said types of devices are becoming more and more affordable, thus allowing one to own one without that burning a hole through their wallet. Yet voting for president using a smartphone or a tablet is not an option. Why is that?...

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posted on 06 Nov 2012, 08:40 15

1. brar.arsh (Posts: 200; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)

No, If it gets hacked and results get reversed, we cannot do anything for nest 4 Years(till next elections)..

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 10:17 2

16. Topcat488 (Posts: 1396; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)

If astronauts can vote from the international space station, and absentee ballots are counted, that come from all around the world, why not use this technology for the common man... Okay, if a iphone user can stand in line for a week, i see your point... But me, i have things to do in the meantime, i voted yes. 100% secure is nowhere to be found, even at the polling station. :/

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 12:36 3

27. Nadr1212 (Posts: 741; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)

Yeah! How come astronauts Can vote From outerspace but we can't do it our From our own comfort?
What do they think they are? better than us? even though they're NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 08:46 14

2. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)

Hell to the "No"!!! The last thing we need are sh€€p deciding Presidential Elections. Americans should vote the old fashioned way, even if they have to stand on-lines in freezing cold temperatures in the middle of blizzards or even if they have to 'row a boat' to get there!

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 09:27 2

7. JunitoNH (Posts: 1789; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)

Actually, I would be worried of all third party apps/malware in Android; I can see the platform being hack/manipulated to cheat during the elections. I love my SGNX, but there is no way going to use it to conduct sensitive business; totally for recreation use.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 09:34 2

8. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3766; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)

Can you guys stop it with the names and count the votes... :D

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 09:42 7

9. MorePhonesThanNeeded (Posts: 645; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

Eh? What? How does you Android phone get hacked? What are you lost in the woods somewhere? Unless you are installing apps not from the Play store, you aren't going to get hacked, and if you are one of those people who get those texting things from downloading those free porn things that is your damn fault. Android OS protects your phone from malicious code, but Android can't protect you from your lust of stupid things therefore compromising your phones security.

No way in hell should anyone be allowed to vote using tablets nor smartphones. Technology isn't to the point where you can be verified by your data stream and it be authenticated. Keep it the way it is. I'm still concerned by the use of Windows RT Surface being used in Virginia, this is no time to play around, do that for a mayoral election or something lesser, the office of president is too important to play around with.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 10:03 6

12. tedkord (Posts: 11687; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

Actually, a vote is a choice. The iPhone isn't a platform for free choices. If you were allowed to vote on your phone, iPhone users would need Cupertino to direct them how to vote.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 10:06 1

13. quakan (Posts: 1373; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)

It simply just said smartphones and tablets not iPhone and iPad owners only.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 11:01 1

21. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)

Well, it's a baaaa-haaaaa-haaaa-aaaaaaaad idea anyway.
What if the power goes out again and you lose iWiFi?

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 12:12 1

26. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

Exactly papinyc I didnt even read this article my first response to the title was NO WAY, people need to do it the way its all ways been done......

And LMAOO @ row a boat to get there!....

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 12:43 1

28. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)

OMG, I didn't read the article either and it had nothing to do with the abomiNable iPad review earlier; I just think voting should be done the old-fashioned American way.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 14:02

30. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)

and it should no doubt....

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 08:50 7

3. tedkord (Posts: 11687; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)

No, there's too much chance of hacking and cheating.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 08:56 1

4. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3766; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)

I think it's ok. Not a definite 'YES' but ok...if there's better security play involved then it should be fine.
And atleast the votes given could be monitored...through the SIM.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 09:13 8

5. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

Absolutely not. I'm not worried about fraud more than I'm worried about data being manipulated by domestic or foreign entities.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 15:22 1

33. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)

umm....that is fraud...lol

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 16:04

34. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)

Voter fraud...as in voting more than once...

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 09:25 7

6. Aeires (unregistered)

Elections are already rigged, so it's not like anything will change.

Technology moves on, I don't have a problem with this.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 09:47 2

10. OptimusOne (Posts: 694; Member since: 22 May 2012)

no it might bbe even easier to rig it. imagine mass voting. onecell phone voting over and over again

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 10:10

14. Aeires (unregistered)

Electronic checks and balances will prevent that. With proper login identification and verification, electronic voting might even make it easier to control cheating.

There's also the amount of money that can be saved, there won't be as much need for voting stations all over the city if people can vote from where they are. Less staff, less payroll. And vote counts would be instantaneous, no longer waiting for precincts to send in their manually counted votes. Like I said, technology moves on.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 09:57

11. alc (Posts: 17; Member since: 19 May 2010)

It should at least be online. I have to believe we can create enough security to vote online. It certainly can't be less secure than an elderly woman checking my license in a dark middle school gym.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 10:15 1

15. superguy (Posts: 293; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)

No. I could see people voting on their phone and then showing up at the polls to vote again. I don't like the idea of "vote early, and vote often."

Even with early voting, there's concerns about the process of people showing up to early vote and showing up to the polls on election day. I know there are safeguards in place, but they don't always work either.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 10:18 1

17. snowgator (Posts: 3583; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

Sorry, but I am slightly offended at the thought that we Americans need to have this made so easy. Walking/driving to a polling place is to much work for us? Early voting isn't good enough- we need to be able to "text" it in?

I feel only those who do not care do not vote. I do not want those who do not care to vote. I do not want it any easier. There are millions of Americans who disagree with me- and I would happily go back into the military today to fight for the right for those who care enough to pay attention to disagree with me to vote. But the 40%-45% who vote now do it because they realize the privledge of it. They do it and have at least read up on issues and put some effort into it. I do not want my vote or anyone elses vote cancelled out by someone who just picked up their mobile device and mailed it in.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 10:25 1

18. Aeires (unregistered)

Very naive stance. Just because people stand in line to vote doesn't mean they are well informed about the candidates. Last election was a perfect example, many people voted just so a certain ethnicity didn't get elected. I'd say it's a safe bet most people voting don't have a full picture of everything that is going on in regards to candidates, they vote for personal reasons and influences more than anything.

How does voting from a computer device make you any less informed about the candidates and issues? The methodology has absolutely nothing to do with the level of information each voter has acquired.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 11:08 1

22. snowgator (Posts: 3583; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

Actually, I think that is niave.

First off, I will be happy to show you the break down of President Obama's victory last election cycle. He won nearly every race, creed, and gender break down. Race has become less and less a factor. Interracial dating and marriages, minority representation in upper business and in both parties are up, and soon the largest minority will be white. Black, Hispanic and other minorities are growing to the point those who identify themselves as "white" will be less then 50%. And I say Thank the Lord our Maker. Diversity is a strength, and I will be very happy to see arguments like they voted against a race go away.

My point is that we have been afforded a chance to select our representatives. It is something so few on this Earth can do right now. Regardless of your political leanings, the less then half of Americans who vote now care. How much easier do we need to make it? There is already absentee voting for those out of Country, early voting for a period of time in every state, and special provisions for those physically unable to vote at a polling place. Show me serious need that is not being taken care of, and I am all in favor of supplying a means to vote. But Email it in? Text it? If you are talking NFC enabled polling places in which users can fill out a voting ballet and scan it at the polling place, cool. No sweat. I am onboard. But people need to at least care enough to put effort into it.

By no means do I believe every voter is casting a ballot without negativism driving a few. I will say I believe it is the vast minority. Most vote with their kids and their livelihood in mind.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 12:01 1

24. Aeires (unregistered)

I have the unfortunate displeasure of working with a group of people who voted by issues of race alone. Just because Obama won doesn't mean it didn't happen. Maybe you got so caught up in that issue you missed the point so I'll give you another one, ever hear the phrase "people vote with their wallet?" Finding a voter who is thoroughly up to date on all the issues is an extremely difficult task to achieve. It's common for people to vote over selfish issues.

As far as why voting percentages are so low, that wanders in the realm of opinion. My personal view is the electoral college needs to go. If I live in a red state and it has been red for 100 years, but I want to vote blue, there's a good chance my vote isn't going to make a beans difference because the electoral college is going to give all my state's votes to the red. Get rid of the electoral college and you'll see massive voter turnout, but that's my opinion.

But all that's irrelevant, methodology is what is being questioned here. So voting online is easier, so what? Why should we disallow it because it's easy? It's technology, it's there to make our lives easier (supposed to, anyway). If I had to list every bit of technology that made our lives easier, I'd be here for decades compiling the list. But because it's about voting we can't have any of that, we have to keep it difficult. Nonsense. Methodology is what is being voted here, not motive.

If hurricane Sandy wiped out my home, I'd be much happier knowing I could take a few minutes to vote instead of standing in line for hours to manually do it. Sometimes there's more important things that need to get done instead of wasting hours standing in line.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 13:33

29. snowgator (Posts: 3583; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)

I'll accept that. No offense intended. I of course want to see things improved, and certainly expect regions hit by Sandy have their opportunity to vote.

Just want to see voting and knowledge of issues become a more involved thing. I am plain worried making it too easy dimishes the importance.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 16:44 1

35. Aeires (unregistered)

More informed voters is definitely a step in the right direction. I think as more time goes on, technology will help achieve that as people start to use other means than the mainstream media to get their information. It's more than just voting though, there are opportunities to use technology to be more aware of what is going on. One of my favorite apps is the Congress app on Android. Being able to see what is being voted on my Congress, and who voted for and against is a great tool. Love that app

Good conversation, I think we probably agreed more than disagreed.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 15:20

32. Stuntman (Posts: 836; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)

You are absolutely right. Why stop there? Why should it be so easy for me to pay my bills from my phone? I should be required to actually commute to a bank or to the business in order to pay my bills.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 10:41

19. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

I would never VOTE ON A iPAD. But today i voted not too long ago but could't see what kind of tablet they use to fine your registry name.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 10:55 3

20. mdwire5 (Posts: 1; Member since: 06 Nov 2012)

I mean I'm already voting on a touchscreen computer in the voting place, so whats the difference if its a touchscreen computer at home? You're telling me those computers aren't hackable? If there's a will, there's a way, folks.

I believe if people were sent say 32 digit voting passcodes in the mail that would then authenticate the voter and then track ip address of the device voting followed by restricting that ip address from voting again, electronic voting from home could be feasibly done. Sure that would screw one computing device families but atleast its a start.

Actually, concerning smartphones and tablets, cellular networks are typically more secure than you're WiFi network anyways. So, less chance of votes being manipulated in that scenario.

The point I think electronic voting is really going to address is the actual number of voters really participating. Sure, call people lazy all you want, but more than likely you're being hypocritical if you use ANY online service mentioned in the article.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 11:35 1

23. Deadeye37 (Posts: 162; Member since: 25 Jan 2011)

Here's my idea. Have a special app that is loaded onto a phone/tablet that has NFC. The voter gets a special QR code from the voting station that is assigned to the person. The person scans the QR code in the app that brings up the ballot for the person. The person fills out the ballot in a secure room and then goes to a station with the NFC reader. The person uploads the ballot via NFC. A paper copy of the ballot is printed via a thermal receipt printer for verification and audit purposes. The voter then gets an I Voted sticker.

As a bonus, the voter can get a code that allows ther person to download a wall paper (live or static) of their favorite presidential candidate doing the Gangnam Style dance.

If NFC is secure enough for transactions, it should be secure enough for voting. I think this would help reduce the lines since the bulk of the time at the voting booth is trying to decide which canidate to vote for along with vast number of propositions that needs to be voted on.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 12:02

25. Twisted247 (Posts: 282; Member since: 12 Oct 2012)

Definitely No way in hell, politics are dirty enough as is. The last thing we need to do is make it even easier for them to cheat. If you need convenience that bad that you can't do a simple task once EVERY FOUR DAMN YEARS then hit the gym or put down the video games and Ho hos. There are too many issues with voting online to move in that direction. Ex) cheating, misleading, tracking (eliminating privacy). Just being a few of the reasons.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 14:09

31. imkyle (Posts: 1073; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)

Somethings needs to stay the same, and this is one of them.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 19:10

36. CliffordVII (Posts: 3; Member since: 06 Nov 2012)

hmm...Well you and I don't elect the president. The Electoral College elects the president and we sort of elect the voters (senate/HoR)... We (citizens) don't vote directly at the president because the founding fathers came to a conclusion that we (citizens) are too "simple". The Electoral College are more informed although that might not be true all the time with the two parties~~ So when we go to the polls to vote we are just voting for the parties... demo or rep D: and the winner takes all...

I think voting on smartphone and tablets should be allowed with counter measures against threats. Would be fun to see where this country is heading if everyone is able to vote with smartphones even though some of us already know where we are headed...Too bad I can't vote cuz I'm not a citizen yet D: fees too d**n high!

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 19:11 1

37. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)

I am for embracing technology. I think that the best way to go about it is to embrace the technology instead of sticking with the paper ballots. There is no more risk of voter fraud using this method as opposed to old school. In fact, why stop at the once every 2 year elections? (President is every 4, yes, but representatives are every 2 and sometimes senate elections will land on years with no president elections since they're every 6) Why not cut out a lot of the beuracracy and be able to directly vote on issues, from our phone or computer? We have the technology now to make a true democracy. What better way to take the money out of politics than for the people to be their own politician?

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 19:28

38. Bfrenz (Posts: 112; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)

No way. Its pur ultimate right and phones are more pro.e to danger,our countries fate should be in our hands not in a phone or tablet.

posted on 06 Nov 2012, 19:30

39. Bfrenz (Posts: 112; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)

Typo: our,prone and country's.

posted on 07 Nov 2012, 17:58

40. solidsnakeduds013 (Posts: 218; Member since: 20 Oct 2010)

It should stay old fashioned simply because the last thing we want is a hacker breaking in and stealing peoples votes.

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