Should Nokia switch to Android?
0. phoneArena 24 Jan 2013, 10:18 posted on
Hooray, Nokia is profitable again! After a long and painful internal transitional period, the ex-largest cell phone manufacturer has finally swung back to profitability during the beloved holiday season (Q4). Understandably, the profit isn't that big - it's $585 million, but at least it's a start...
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96. Whateverman (Posts: 3250; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Samsung wasn't sued for its OS choice, but for it's design. Do you have more?
99. Aeires (unregistered)
Thank you. Sad that people think rectangles with rounded corners are the OS.
162. jroc74 (Posts: 5986; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
And if he tries to say the OS....Google already won that case vs Oracle...
And on the subject of Samsung vs Apple....already 2 or 3 major patents were deemed invalid....so that 1 billion dollar settlement is gonna be smaller when its all said n done....
His post speaks volumes about him tho...I need to remember it....lol.
92. axllebeer (Posts: 271; Member since: 05 Apr 2011)
I personally would've liked to see Nokia support BB10 with a partnership between them and RIM. we don't need more Android. Android is a very good OS. But there is so many variations of it available, and WP has still not really taken off, BB10 is likely to remain in the #3 position in the world. They would fair even better partnering up with RIM than MS. Just my opinion.
100. aryanfr1 (Posts: 120; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
as far as I recall when Nokia embraced Symbian it was the top dog,embraced windows again is top dog........................
It shows how reluctant Nokia always has been.Just think jellybean( quad-core,hexa-core, octa-core or best "hardcore" processors ) ,pureview,great build quality,full HD clear black pure motion+ display,Nokia maps etc all in one place with lots of apps to brag for.
101. MiPac (Posts: 5; Member since: 17 Jan 2013)
No, not Android! Android will not last for more than 2-4 years. If Nokia would start planning Android device now, it wouldn't be ready soon enough... They should make something new with someone big. Android Nokia sounds good now, but they can't get the software&hardware good enough in less than a year...
102. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
Well, if Nokia adopted Android sooner, they would of profit sooner. At this moment, it's not necessary for they to adopt Android, but I'm sure their profit will increase faster if they do adopt Android.
110. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
Nokia dont need Android they need to only break the MS to listen users and free some options its only homescreen people want to customize let them alter in more detail i can imagine tiles and hoescreen can be much more customizable then android if MS think out of the box.
132. w-t-f (Posts: 42; Member since: 21 Aug 2012)
would be best for all if they make both Android and WP devices,like other OEM´s. imagine if we could have Lumia 920 Android version and WP8..
136. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
yes but why is it wrong to say for nokia to wait until they completely dominate wp8 to look at other OS's
samsung dominates android and thanks to this can easily dip into wp8 without risking anything. nokia would be risking alot trying to cover to os's at this time
ofcourse android fans will not see this and whine they should
167. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
funnily id buy and android 808 in a heartbeat but i look at the bigger picture. right now it isnt possible so id rather wait till nokia are the powerhouse they once were..mite be 2-3 years but worth the wait
but lets face it many android users will say go android then never buy it anyway. there all talk.
and '' GENERAL-BAKSHE'' your obviously troll with a different account so go spread your crap on a different site
163. GENERAL-BAKSHE (Posts: 28; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
No one likes pigs and copers, go away, get lost.
168. jroc74 (Posts: 5986; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Samsung was doing WP before they got to where they are in Android land....Samsung was doing WP from the beginning of WP. Along with HTC and LG. The Galaxy S 1 line wasnt even that popular then...the Galaxy S 1 line just came out a few months before WP launched.
Samsung dipped into WP before it became this dominating player in Android land. WP didnt start with 8...it started with 7 in 2010. So what are you talking about?
172. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
see your jumping straight in as per usual
im saying with samsungs position they have nothing to loose if wp8 fails. but nokia stretching to 2 os's right now could prove fatal if they fail to make an impact as there financial postion isnt secure as samsung
so basically samsung can half ass wp8 devices because they dominate android and this domination would make it hard for nokia to make an impact right of the bat. so nokia focus's on wp8 becomes dominate and secure then spread to other os's when they have brought there name back to the public
guessing you wont find this acceptable though will you
202. jroc74 (Posts: 5986; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
And as usual I see you reading what you wanna read.
When Samsung did a WP7 phone......they werent the top dog in Android land like they are now. It was a gamble for Samsung to do boyj...and so far it hasnt paid off with WP....but at least they did. Even if they were basically forced to.
WP started with 7 in 2010....
211. Googlethis (Posts: 179; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Correct me if I'm wrong what I think he is trying to say is samsung is better set in the money area than nokia so they can test out diffrent os instead of depending on one os to save them correct me if im wrong like I said
213. Googlethis (Posts: 179; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
but I beleive nokia at one point nokia was once one of the world leaders in cell phones correct me if im wrong
134. thelegend6657 (unregistered)
This site is full of Android Fan boy's so I can expect the results .
With the lumia 610 and 510 low end smart phones there isn't a reason for as has to exist .
So I think Nokia should use both wp and Android .
And don't clutter up the market with lots of mid range android , only make one high end android every year
135. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Lack of informative and unbiased news, eh PA?
137. MC1123 (Posts: 1255; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
continue symbian!! support it and merge it with maemo!! add up HTML5 and that will be really futuristic and powerful OS!!
since symbian still has some things that even android/iOS/WP/BB10 cant do!!!
but as long as elop is there this wont happen..
157. w-t-f (Posts: 42; Member since: 21 Aug 2012)
symbian is real multitask OS. simple example,when you write message and hit home button,on symbian you can switch back,while on Android you got ˝saved to draft˝ :)
175. Googlethis (Posts: 179; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
I have used alot of smartphones but havnt used symbian well not enough to remember at any rate so can you refer a model that you think is worth trying out?
243. w-t-f (Posts: 42; Member since: 21 Aug 2012)
clasic phone keyboard: E52
212. nasznjoka (Posts: 394; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)
you haven't owned an android device yet, on android is 'saved to draft' are you positive?? if you want to return to any app on android you click a home button there you can always return, but if you hit a back button it assume you wanna quit so it saves it for you. ANDROID IS INTUITIVE
242. w-t-f (Posts: 42; Member since: 21 Aug 2012)
I own both android and symbian,i know about home button etc,etc. just try writing sms and hit back while in middle of writing :) anyhow,dont mean to bash,troll,rant etc,etc,just saying what was simplicity of Symbian multitask, although this is not article about that :D
195. Edmund (Posts: 656; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)
android is all but dead in the US, a trend that will continue overseas. So the simple answer is NO!
197. GENERAL-BAKSHE (Posts: 28; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
You're brain is dead and brainwashed you hippy cult go worship Steve blwjob
200. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
actually i doubt that android will die anytime soon, if it develops as it is (although we are seeing a bit of slow down in big changes) it has many years ahead
besides the US isnt the template for the world, and if its a trend couldnt the opposite be said and the no android trend in the US end first?
always 2 extremes. people should just give credit where its due. like nokia doing well with wp8
199. quawy2013 (Posts: 14; Member since: 14 Jan 2013)
Not to sure bout that Sammy got android on lock down...but it would be nice to see a nokia android phone
204. lolwoot (Posts: 27; Member since: 01 Jun 2011)
Nokia is better off without android, bcoz its either a good or a bad things, good for who? back end users ofcoz, bad for who? Other oem, y? 1080p res+CBD+latest android+Nokia exclusive apps+PUREVIEW+premium built quality=Overkill.
206. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
Please move on with your lives sick headed Android folks. There's enough Android OEMs to fill your open source hearts. Don't bring Nokia to the collective level. Let Nokia be Unique as they've always been. Thank you. Now go hug your green little robot and feel good about yourselves.
207. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
@gwuhua1984 ...you should go apply for a position at Nokia. They'll probably hire you on the spot. All you have to do is say on your resume, adopt Android and you'll profit the first day. Damb your good!
209. jedpatrickdatu (Posts: 167; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
Please no. The smartphone world would be a much boring place with only Android and iOS. WP, while flawed and not as spec-heavy as Android, is beautiful in its own way. Besides, Android is all about getting as much apps, cores, and customization as possible, while WP is more focused on simplicity and communication, which is what Nokia stands for.
210. nasznjoka (Posts: 394; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)
I've fallen in love with android I've use iphones and never liked windows phones, why should your pc have a look like your phone? wp8 and w8 are much the same. Plus nokia have a little to offer even if they switched to android, you can not survive by depending on the 'camera' to sell your phone, people need innovation, Samsung for instance is developing eye scrolling, eye pause/play , eye stay is already there plus many more, now can nokia offer these 'super cool' specs?? all they know is to create the body as to you fanboys though i myself dislike a phone like a brick'920', MAY BE NOKIA SHOULD BEG TIM COOK TO ALLOW THEM a CHANCE ON 'ios 7'.....FANBOYS WOULD YOU LIKE AN iNOKIA??? thumbs down
216. samystic (Posts: 229; Member since: 25 Mar 2012)
thumbs up for blind fanboism to Samsung's innovations and failing to recognize hardware innovation Nokia has brought up in almost all handsets recently... happy egoistic fanboi?
226. rav405 (unregistered)
All the features that samsung is offering are gimmicks.....ppl would use it for a month or two jus for the fascination and might forget abt it l8r....
214. samystic (Posts: 229; Member since: 25 Mar 2012)
nice to see more than 197 (at the last count) Nokia fans (in their heart) come here and share their thoughts... i personally believe Nokia should not go Android... reason? someone should sail against winds to reach the shore... Windows Phone 8 is new entrant and a potential killer if used properly and that's what Nokia is doing with 620, 920, etc. ... imagine if all manufacturers provide Android and Apple stands with it's iOS... where is the fun??? Apple wins this war hands down whether it sells in 1:100 ratio or not... Nokia should stick to Windows Phone 8 for high ends and Meego in the mid range (come on Nokia, revive it) and S40 for low ends (it is a killer indeed)... a shop with multiple goodies attracts a lot of customers, isn't it? as @chaoticrazor said - "with samsungs position they have nothing to loose if wp8 fails. but nokia stretching to 2 os's right now could prove fatal if they fail to make an impact as there financial postion isnt secure as samsung"... so yes Nokia should not go with Android
219. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
@nasznjoker ... Good for you. Now move along. Next clown please.
239. nasznjoka (Posts: 394; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)
Yeah atleast I like changes I'm not a conservative like you just because nokia produced a phone that you liked sometime ago doesnt make you a slave on your own money. I myself currently I'm falling for samsung cuz they got real hot things no doubt about that, and I believe in open sources that's why I'm using android.if ubuntu for phones ain't a myth, I'll give it a try coming year.don't crame man
220. garz_pa (Posts: 154; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
There are already a billion Androids out there. WP offers a different look at mobile OS today. Think about this: iOS, Android, the upcoming Firefox OS, BB10, generally looks THE SAME.
221. Techsplash (Posts: 41; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)
ya absolutely if their windows flagship was so successful think if the 920 was an android phone they would have made a comeback until now.
222. crazymonkey05 (Posts: 178; Member since: 20 Nov 2012)
I really think Nokia should switch to android because its a way more developed and open then windows phone.
And to all those windows phone fanboys who say that android force closes all the time..well if you paid attention you would know that android is open source and its the manufacture that builds the OS for their phones hardware so if the manufacturer builds crappy firmware your going to have crappy results...
Plus look at HTC sales,they sale both android devices and WP devices...but where does most of their profit come from?? Thats right Android... I'm pretty sure that's saying what the people want.
227. yahoo29 (Posts: 71; Member since: 15 Sep 2012)
What if nokia 920 have Tegra 3 processor and it is running Android system? I think many of us will buy that and it will be the toughest phone and the most perfect phone that will be create. sry for my english
240. jlp34876 (Posts: 80; Member since: 02 Dec 2012)
I say both, WP for people who doesnt have time to customize and Android for Tech Geeks!
241. Exius (Posts: 3; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
I think it should!
Because there are so much amazing apps for Android.
Evernote, Dolphin borwser, ArkMC/
245. SIGPRO (Posts: 1376; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)
Hell no Nokia should never use Android, we need something different...Android is not a good os it is still buggy. Look at ios 7 years the same. I give Android and ios max five years and the market share will decline rapidly!
I am glad they chose WP it is way better than Android and ios!
246. Droids-R-us (Posts: 29; Member since: 17 Sep 2012)
Android is better in pretty much every way but we still need a choice to keep the competition sharp, Nokia should produce BOTH Android and Windows. With at least 3 major players in the game there will be a constant battle to be the best which in turn is good for the consumer. This pushes innovation and motivates the industry to do better.
I like the looks of Nokia very much but the OS is still weak at the moment.
250. urth_key (Posts: 14; Member since: 25 Dec 2011)
Is it me or is PhoneArena's layout is like The Verge's...
252. Darkerm (Posts: 308; Member since: 31 Jan 2012)
I have always wanted an Nokia Android.
BTW, I am Happy with my xperia S.
Don't like Samsung much.
254. nasznjoka (Posts: 394; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)
You actually gon get the iNokia phone,i heard they gon team up with ios7 fan boys
256. gazmatic (Posts: 794; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
google doesnt have the policies i buy nokias for
FREE OFFLINE EVERYTHING
that is nokias policy...
google barely allows caching...
258. Dinged (Posts: 32; Member since: 12 Jan 2012)
There is an absolute niche in the smartphone market for Nokia with android. As of now, Apple is the only phone with great euro design (considered by many) - hipster feel without feeling cheap. By design, I mean a look that is capable of communicating a "lifestyle" different than others - similar to automotive. A design that can spark an emotional response from buyers based on looks alone, not tech specs.
If you compare brands, the asian brands all have a similar look and style (LG, Samsung, HTC, Sony) with smooth curves and often polycarbonate materials; the asian brands communicate practical, value, safe, boring even. On the other hand, USA Motorola phones look square with sharp edges and a more industrial look; they look like they're from the Matrix communicating nerdy, bomb proof, masculinity. In contrast Nokia is the only other manufacturer besides Apple that makes phones that are designed with the same "hipster/euro" like design as apple products; the design communicates hip, fun, easy.
As for the engineering and integration part of the equation that people keep mentioning in the comments...that's the easy part since all phone manufacturers have proven that they can hire engineers and put out a functioning phone together with great hardware specs. It's a lot harder to create a culture in a company that can integrate great art/aesthetic design and technical engineering together since most manufacturers focus on margins/costs instead of aesthetics(subjective since it can't be measured in metrics against profit). You have a bunch of engineers and business men making decisions, but no artists or designers with great "taste" that resonate with the masses.
In asian culture, artists/designers aren't valued as highly as a career as in other parts of the world; hence, why most asian firms don't create product with great design. (for those who think I'm racist, I'm asian and asian parents don't typically want their kids to be "artists" think "lawyers, doctors, engineers" FYI). A company in a culture that doesn't value design isn't going to pay the salaries for great designers nor will they want to deal with design obstacles in manufacturing.
If Nokia offers a pure android experience (since they're custom software solutions haven't been proven successfully), they'd have a great product that typical iphone buyers would flock to based on pure aesthetics alone. That's a win with consumers as we see "aesthetic design" in product to be increasingly more important to consumers.
260. gammaSharma (Posts: 33; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)
Nokia had the Best in the Hard-Ware dept. and its the Windows platform that's ruining its growth. The only reason Samsung is on top is coz nokia is out with a flu named Microsoft Window.
Samsung and HTC produces Windows phone. They don't sell too. :)
262. airisoverrated (Posts: 30; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
Nokia does not have much of a reason to go to android at this point, at least not exclusively. That ship sailed, and despite the stock tumble that followed I think it was the right choice. Android itself does not make a device a seller. Look at the problems HTC has had trying to compete with Samsung the past year or more. With Windoes Phone 8 Nokia has the flagship device, and Samsung's entry just isn't as attractive or attention getting.
Lots of people hate on WP8 right now for one reason or another, usually for not being an iPhone or Galaxy III. I sold phones when the G1 was first release and I can tell you it had way worse problems with adoption back then. WP8 has come further faster than either iOS or Android did in their feature sets, and won't be playing catch up on much for long (other than the sheer number of apps available). It took the Droid (and incessant marketing) to make it popular with Android 2.0 to get some market penetration. All it'll take for WP8 to get rolling is that one have to get model. Lumia 920 with Pureview and some color (in a smartphone world of black, white, and shades of grey, color itself becomes a feature). I will not be surprised if at some point this year a WP8 model comes along that people have to have.
Also I think this article is a bit harsh on WP8's personalization. I get that it's not android with widgets galore that all look different have have a dozen skins each. And I agree there's room for more growth there. WP8 takes a different approach to personalization through it's links to social networks and Xbox. Link it to your facebook, xbox, twitter, and other accounts and it customizes a few live tiles based on photos and info from them automatically. Heck all you can do on iOS is make folders and add a background, so it's more than that. That's all Microsoft's play is really, more integration and customization than iOS, without being confusing (hardcore android customization can get heavy with so many options, skins, widgets, different launchers, advanced features, etc).
Microsoft problem is the sales staff at phone stores. They usually push for the easy Android/iOS sale because they own them and know the pitch, or the customers recognize the phones. They often aren't going to take time to educate a customer on something new . Microsoft needs reps out in the field training store employees and getting them to be confident that it's an easy sale. Then you might actually hear an employee say "Looking at phones? Have you seen this awesome new Windows Phone?" Until then most of whats sold will be people walking in the store already knowing they want a particular WP8 model.