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Sapphire glass might not be ready for prime time

0. phoneArena 11 Jul 2014, 18:45 posted on

Four times harder than regular glass, phone manufacturers have been talking about using sapphire glass as a replacement for Gorilla Glass. But some manufacturers say that the time is not right for such a switch. Sure, to scratch sapphire glass, you would need a diamond, or some other material that rates a "10" on the hardness scale. Gorilla Glass is ranked as a "7" on the test...

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posted on 11 Jul 2014, 18:52 7

1. iGeek (Posts: 171; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)


And Android Fabs be like ... Apple doesn't give it consumers quality products ... Apple can't innovate anymore ? My ass

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 19:04 1

6. iGeek (Posts: 171; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)


Fans* lol

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 19:10 21

8. av911 (Posts: 197; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)


Buying something someone else makes is innovative? They're f*ckin' good at that, then.

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 19:22

9. iGeek (Posts: 171; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)


First smartphone with sapphire ? Not saying sapphire is innovative but it's a good step

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 19:24 9

10. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


About what innovations you are talking here?

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 19:34 1

11. iGeek (Posts: 171; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)


I'm talking in general ... Apple will continue to innovate. I think in one way or another something about the i6 will be innovative. Similarly with the iWatch, which I don't think will be coming this fall

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 19:45 7

15. Killertech2099 (Posts: 148; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)


Why you are prejudging ? Did you see the iPhone 6? Did you know it's price ? How do you know it will be innovative? Sucks to be struck by your own questions. In general you know nothing about what innovation is.

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 19:46 23

16. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"First smartphone with sapphire ?"

No!
Vertu is using Sapphire glass like a minimum 3 years already or maybe even more.

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 19:47 4

17. darkkjedii (Posts: 23022; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Oh god, here he goes again.

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 19:51

19. iGeek (Posts: 171; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)


I said a SMARTPHONE can you please tell me the name of the phone you are taking about ?

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 19:56 12

20. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"I said a SMARTPHONE can you please tell me the name of the phone you are taking about ?"

Yes, I can tell you even few Vertu SMARTPHONE names!

Vertu Signature Touch

Vertu Constellation

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 19:57

21. iGeek (Posts: 171; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)


Let's see, I said I think which means I'm predicting and my prediction cause be true/false.

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 20:01 3

22. iGeek (Posts: 171; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)


Oh thank you ! I didn't know that :) Sorry for the mistake ! But you know I don't think the price of the iPhone 6 will be as these smartphone. Maybe the iPhone 6 will be the first phone to present it to the wide range of consumers. Again I'm sorry for not searching before typing that comment

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 20:04 6

24. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Here is few more:

Vertu Constellation (2013 model)

Vertu Ti

Vertu Constellation Quest

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 20:05 1

26. iGeek (Posts: 171; Member since: 15 Mar 2013)


You made your point :) Got it ;) I hope you got mine

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 20:09 7

27. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


No problem. :)

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 20:22 5

30. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Also for those who are interested, here is how Sapphire glass is made:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsCER0uwiWI

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 20:22 7

31. Killertech2099 (Posts: 148; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)


"Could be" and you lost me at innovation. Your prediction sucks

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 20:28

32. engineer-1701d (unregistered)


it's been pushed back to maybe the beginning of the year

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 21:55 2

39. ph00ny (Posts: 1348; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Continue to innovate or just buy more innovative products from supplier catalog?

posted on 11 Jul 2014, 23:24 1

42. illusionmist (Posts: 157; Member since: 29 Jan 2013)


This BS again... How many times does it take for one to remember innovation =/= invention.

What's the innovation here you ask? Improving the material and bring it to the mass market of course. Don't think that qualifies? Tell that to Thomas Edison.

posted on 12 Jul 2014, 02:49 4

43. amiaq (Posts: 509; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)


What? No Way! Apple CREATED sapphire glass! Don't you know it?

posted on 12 Jul 2014, 09:07

49. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


hey! your definition of innovation sucks... using sapphire is innovation? if it is by your standard then why not made a feature phone out of a diamond with no camera, no internet etc bcoz it will be a huge innovation that phone is out of a diamond...

for me using sapphire is nothing and not at all a significant innovation, what so ever...
instead break through in graphine implemention for circuitry, break through in battery charge holding capacity, break through in a cam, break through in displays, break through in sound quality, call quality, signal quality & speed etc are real innovations for me

posted on 12 Jul 2014, 10:13

50. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


I tried to tell but thomas edison dont listen/hear anymore... thats really very rude, right?

posted on 12 Jul 2014, 10:13 2

51. 14545 (Posts: 1664; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Please take your idiotic fanboy comments elsewhere, child. You don't even understand the mechanical properties associated with sapphire, so please shut up. Generally speaking, as hardness goes up, so does it's brittleness. Just like more ductile materials are far less brittle, but being more ductile means they are also more prone to scratching. Usings such a hard material in a phone is stupid. As they are GOING TO get *dropped*. And when they do, they are far more likely to shatter. That's not innovation, that is apple adding in another source of revenue. I would rather a material like GG3 over sapphire anyday because it resists scratches from most any everyday object I can throw at it, but it also will resist some impacts.

http://www.phonecruncher.com/features/2345398/sapphire_vs_gorilla_glass_which_touchscreen_display_wins_on_scratch_resistance_shatterproofing_price_and_weight.html

Learn something, tool. They only innovate ways to steal more money from their customers. They don't actually give anything new and exciting to the industry. I would say windows has far more innovation than that of apple and they lost me (a former WinMo customer) after switching to metro. And yes, WP fanboys, I have and do use metro. I have a W8 laptop, I still hate it though. Anyway, back to the point, take your fanboy consumerism and shove you twit. Get an engineering degree and then come back and tell me how much better the stupid sapphire is over a more ductile material like GG3. No one needs a glass hardness of 9 on a phone. There are only a few things that would scratch a 7 glass anyway. Not to mention all the tradeoffs that come with having such a brittle, denser material.

posted on 12 Jul 2014, 10:35

54. nithyakr (Posts: 151; Member since: 20 Jun 2014)


Well. I don't this as a real innovation. But Apple do start trends in the smartphone industry. Every one gotta admit that.. Sure virtual assistants have been in the industry for a long time. But its when only Apple announced it and made it look cool, everyone started taking it seriously.

Even with the fingerprint scanner. Its when Apple did it, HTC and Samsung used it.

And its when Apple's iWatch started making rumours everybody jumped up in the smart watch business.

You gotta admit that..

posted on 12 Jul 2014, 11:31

55. The-Sailor-Man (banned) (Posts: 1095; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


Read carefully iboy;
"And despite some recent(FAKE) (i)videos claiming to show , a representative from a major handset manufacturer says that the larger the size of a sapphire screen, the more brittle it is."

posted on 12 Jul 2014, 13:29

57. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"And its when Apple's iWatch started making rumours everybody jumped up in the smart watch business."

This part is not true.

posted on 12 Jul 2014, 14:04 1

58. av911 (Posts: 197; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)


"What's the innovation here you ask? Improving the material and bring it to the mass market of course. Don't think that qualifies? "

Qualcomm improves their SoC every year and bring it to the masses, is that innovative?

Phone cameras improve every year, is that innovative?

Apple hoarded all the material and paid someone else to develope and produce that stuff. Great innovation, indeed.

posted on 12 Jul 2014, 14:36

59. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


hey dude... thats the technology which I am talking about, not the material which is just for exterior... ok its not bad to have scartch proof glass but does it relate to the technology running inside the phone?
read my above comment again for your reference... it state all, soc cam disp etc
sapphire is a great innovation indeed bcoz may be you are an i$heep... by the way this your innovation of sapphire has been done by vertu before... still credit doesnt go to apple for bringing it to phones... again its not an innovation bcoz this idea has been taken by apple from other manufacturer(vertu may be)... copying some idea is by no standard is an innovation

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