Samsung's Shin Jong-kyun says "No compromise!" on the patent fight with Apple
0. phoneArena 08 Mar 2012, 06:04 posted on
Reportedly frustrated by Apple's offer to settle for rumored $5 to $15 per Android device in patent licensing fees, Samsung's Shin Jong-kyun said the company won't back down in the ongoing legal spat with Cupertino over patents...
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2. rendHELL (Posts: 304; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
go samsung!!!! Fight for Android!!! Fight for the consumers!!
29. cheetah2k (Posts: 944; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)
Fight for Android yes, but where is Google in all of this? Hiding in the cupboard or something???
Its time Google made a stand and ended this once and for all.
3. frydaexiii (Posts: 1260; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
That's the spirit! Just for saying that, I'm gonna support Samsung to the end! Apple started this fight, and they're gonna finish it, whether it ends with Android's death or not...
4. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Eye for an eye. You just fracked with the wrong company, Apple.
5. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
Apple+Microsoft=patents trolls.....unable to innovate so they behave like a child
6. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Apple doesnt have any real patents to deserve that sort of money. they dont have anything over android's head that could seriously hurt it. MS did. Napkin drawings and slide to unlock are not going to get you a big payday,Apple. Go.. to... Hell! :)
8. adi4u4882 (Posts: 135; Member since: 10 Jan 2012)
Samsung is like 'Bitch Please' now! C'mon screw those patent hungry fools!
10. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
That's right Shin Jong-kyun, take out your Samurai sword and chop up Apple into some iLoMein.
16. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
They have swords and martial arts but it is definately not a "samurai sword".. lol
17. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
Nevertheless, they have access to various types of swords and kitchen knives and, therefore, can somehow iLoMein Apples or iChop iSuey them.
11. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5981; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I suspect Apple is pushing for an early settlement because it sees the risk it faces from Google's notification function patent application.
Can you imagine iOS without a notification function? Better yet, a notification function that doesn't notify the user when an e-mail has been received?
12. love_android_o (Posts: 2; Member since: 08 Mar 2012)
My Washing Machine broken.
And to support samsung in battle against Apple.
I buy new US$ 800 Samsung washing machine.
I hope the profit from that washing machine can help samsung kick apple ass.
13. ithinkimjoe (Posts: 25; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)
oh android fanboys. the worst kind.
they all wanted apple to stop suing and oh look, they tried. Samsung refused, all of a sudden, now everyone wants the lawsuits to go on.
call me a troll all you want, but i own 2 samsung products. Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the Galaxy Nexus.
15. viper5208 (Posts: 3; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
I am with you here. Just the other day when apple was trying to make nice everyone was all for that, now it is samsung that doesn't want to play nice and everyone is all up in arms about taking apple down.
I own many samsung devices, both my wifes phone and mine are samsung. Seriously though this stuff has got to stop soon it is really bad for business and especially for new innovation.
20. bayusuputra (Posts: 949; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
when will apple play nice? they want to get as much as $25 per handset.. so it's either you don't make anymore phones, or you pay us that much.. obviously Samsung wouldn't want to be treated unfairly.. after all, who started this? and then apple is now losing and start doing patent licensing? oh, cmon.. they don't want to play nice, they want the money, or the competitors to go down the drain..
if they really want to play nice, then drop all lawsuits, they are based only on some generalised technology which already existed, or some paper napkin drawings..
if apple want to stop playing dirty, then i'm with them.. but if they still want to extract money or destroy others, then they should just taste their own medicine..
25. ithinkimjoe (Posts: 25; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)
samsung has lost more than apple in the courts, and they're being investigated by the govt somewhere in europe for potentially violating their FRAND agreements.
and if by losing, you mean the worlds most valuable and profitable company, then there must be a new definition of losing.
i would imagine apple's just getting tired of all the suits, and it'd be simpler to just license. plus the thermonuclear was Job's concept. not necessarily Apple as a whole.
regardless of what they are based on, which most of them are BS, they still own the rights to them.
19. VZWuser76 (Posts: 2251; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
What's funny is everone is overlooking how much apple wants to settle for. It's right around 2% of the total cost, a figure that apple said was too high to pay to Moto in their lawsuit with them. So how is it ok for apple to ask for that figure, but unfair for Moto to do the same?
I want these patent lawsuits to stop just as much as everyone, but apple seems to think that different rules should apply to them. I think the best solution is a standardized settlement. No injunctions or banning of devices, unless they don't pay when found in violation of patents. Go with a flat percentage of 1.5%. While it may seem small, if the one paying does a lot of sales, it will figure to a nice chunk of change for the patent holder. If they don't do a lot of sales, it also won't hurt the smaller companies too much.
Besides that, have a rule that if your patent isn't in constant development that it would go upfor grabs. And by that I mean real research that would end up with the patent materializing into a product within 5 years. That should eliminate patent trolls who sit on patents and do nothing with them but wait for someone else to need them and sue them if they try to.
21. bayusuputra (Posts: 949; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)
i'm with your suggestion all the way.. yeah, i think apple has their heads too big thinking that they are the most valuable tech company right now that they expect to be treated like a king..
24. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
Exactly!! How can Apple offer the same thing Motorola offered them and said it was unfair and too much but when Apple offers it it's fair? This company truly lives in it's own plane of reality where everything they so is fair and just and everyone else is unfair and evil. Seriously, did they even think before offering this deal?
34. frydaexiii (Posts: 1260; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
1) I hate Apple and everything/everyone they stand for
2) I love using Android
So with these 2 in mind, I don't want a single cent of my money spent on my Android device going to Apple at all. and lastly :
3) Apple started this fight, so why should Samsung give in?
22. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
lol.. all the haters... damm.. sorry Samsung.. is not like you have a winning track record versus Apple... but ok have it your way... feel sorry for the samsung kids around here.. they will also suffer... go Apple !!!.
23. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
So because we're for Samsung not bending over for Apple we're all somehow haters? Does that make sense to you? Apple started with the patent trolling against Samsung and now Samsung should just accept their offer to be @$$ raped out of money? Typical CR@pple fanboy blindly defending a company that has little morals and no innovation. And Apple thought the very same agreement was unfair when Motorola presented it to them but it's OK for them to present it to others? Without acting like the total blind Apple fanboy that you are, tell me how is that fair business practice?
26. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
well yes.. they should.. thats the price for copying... Moto doesnt copy ..look at the motorola products.. and look at Samsung,... even touchwiz.
32. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if you pinch your screen on an iphone, does it pull up all screens at once? it does on touch wiz
can you put any 5 icons on the bottom row and make them static across all screens? you can on touch wiz
can you organize your apps in any way you see fit in the app drawer? you can on touch wiz
can you add widgets and make most all system changes from the main system menu? you can on android.
are you able to use scrollable widgets? you can on touch wiz
does it come with built in apps that put all your FB, Twitter, G+ and whatever else into 1 neat scrollable widget? u can on TW.
can you pinch the screen, then rearrange and +/- all the different screens in any way you want? you can on TW
so.. umm... what exactly did touchwiz copy from apple? Icons?? lol. No those were there since windows 3.1 or before buddy. Get... a..... clue :)
27. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
I think all the patent wars should just stop... Nothing but corporate greed. All the cost will just eventually come back and hit the consumers.
28. Penny (Posts: 1340; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)
Oh boy. Sorry Tim, but Steve set the stage for this and left you to deal with it.
I hope Apple and Samsung both continue this childish behavior until their heads surface from the sand and they both realize that everybody is looking at them like they are complete morons.
33. remixfa (Posts: 14251; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
penny, if that happens before 2013, ill take u on a hot date. lol.
30. _PHug_ (Posts: 402; Member since: 11 Oct 2011)
I don't see how this will hurt Samsung or end Samsung's relationship with Android.
So what if they pay $15 per phone to Apple.
Instead of charging $699 per phone charge $750 per phone.
I will still buy Samsung's phones simply because they are superior.
31. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6881; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
APPLE NEEDS TO GIVE IT A REST WITH THESE LAW SUITS AND LEARN TO COMPETE WITH OTHERS. Their becoming the MOST HATED TECH COMPANY with these law suits. STOP BANNING other consumer good products that we like. we also have the right on what we like to buy or not.