Samsung's 64-bit Exynos chip ready to hit the conveyor belts, Galaxy S5 a prime candidate
0. phoneArena 25 Oct 2013, 09:10 posted on
Samsung confirmed at its quarterly results press conference for investors today that the 64-bit Exynos chipset it hinted about is ready for the spotlight. A few "technical preparations" aside, the new silicon should be hitting the conveyor belts this quarter, which means that there is every chance to see it in the upcoming Samsung Galaxy S5 next year....
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1. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4808; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
No really PhoneArena.com?!? How do you know??? lol
I was thinking HTC One II. lol
8. naveenstuns (Posts: 172; Member since: 19 Feb 2012)
HTC one II??? lol
that was one hell of a name xD
74. bachir8k (Posts: 148; Member since: 25 Feb 2013)
So the new Exynox will be 64bit true octa built using 14nm tech??? that would be huge, but as long as Samsung doesn't figure out something to embed the LTE radio inside its chips and fasten up the production process of the chip, it will not success.
And they need to figure out a fix for the heating problem, my friend got the 5s and he installs it in a huge cover just to keep his hand safe.
63. roldefol (Posts: 4097; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Makes logical sense. They didn't call it the Nexus One 4. I think HTC wants to be the brand name.. good luck to them.
2. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
Galaxy S5, Galaxy Tab 4, Galaxy Note 4 etc.
Man, 2014 is going to be an exciting year again!
4. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10436; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Galaxy Note 4 is what I'm looking forward to next year. ;)
44. akki20892 (Posts: 3900; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
When note 4 launch u will say I will wait for note 5 then same thing will happen wait for next generation, cycle goes on and it will not stop so we better stop and pick.
46. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10436; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Duh. I'm getting another Note 3 when my paycheck comes in. Time to say goodbye to my S3 again.
51. SAYED-EJAZ (Posts: 225; Member since: 10 Oct 2013)
You are right..we only have to look for todays tech and buy a phone.
71. AstronautJones (Posts: 303; Member since: 01 Aug 2012)
But when do we stop buying then?
I get your point, but unless you are rich, probably can't afford every phone you want.
(Even though I am the guy who went Galaxy S2> Skyrocket> S3> Note 2 in about a years time)
33. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)
This 64-bit is more like, for the next Samsung Tizen phone. Not for the Android line.
They let Apple to be first with the useless 64-bit SoC(made by Samsung on Exynos process), just Apple to make the hype with their menial media and zombies.
Next year Samsung will jump on Tizen, thrust me(not leaving Android line , though)
54. bucky (Posts: 2460; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
Why would they want apple to be first?
I hope they don't rush the processor this time...should be good though
68. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)
"Why would they want apple to be first?"
Because if Samsung did it first , all the iMedia will bash it organized and 64-bit for smartphones would be damned. But now they have a free hype. And there is no way back.
55. livyatan (Posts: 867; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)
Not sure if you're trolling or not.
In both cases you should seek out for help
3. NexusPhan (Posts: 624; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
Another spec for only the sake of specs. Just like the 64 bit in the iPhone 5S. Absolutely no benefit.
5. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10436; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Support for DDR4 RAM is a pretty big deal.
10. NexusPhan (Posts: 624; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
Only if they actually use it. Which they won't. Just like the iPhone 5S doesn't use it. Price is insane right now. It'll be years before it's used in a smartphone. Then maybe we can talk about adding a 64 bit chip.
(I wasn't aware that DDR4 required 64 bit, but I'll take your word on it)
11. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10436; Member since: 14 May 2012)
That's not what I said at all bud.
Note 3 has DDR3 RAM, which is a beast. Samsung's new Exynos chip supports DDR4, which the article said they're starting to manufacture soon. With that being said, DDR4 + 64bit processor = multitasking to the extreme.
17. NexusPhan (Posts: 624; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
Note 3 is a beast and is a different story. The 4 is a year away and will likely not use DDR4 due to cost but could utilize more than 3GB of ram. Maybe. In a year my comment might not be true. Come see me then, maybe. Today, it's true.
21. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10436; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Same was said about quad core phones and 1080p screens. The first 1080p screen (HTC Butterfly/DNA) was released a year after the first 720p screen (Galaxy Nexus). In tech, one year can change everything.
25. NexusPhan (Posts: 624; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
Thank you for proving my point. 64 bit today is useless. I didn't say it will always be useless, of course it won't. I didn't say they shouldn't be developing it and looking to the future. But living in today, it's useless. I don't want it on the S5. It will be useless in the S5. Maybe the Note 4, but I think that's unlikely too.
28. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10436; Member since: 14 May 2012)
It's not useless... All Google needs to do is release a version if Android that fully supports 64-bit processors and multi-core processors (8) and it will truly shine. If you know the benefits of a 64-bit processor, you wouldn't say it's pointless.
31. NexusPhan (Posts: 624; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
What mobile app would take advantage of 64 bit capabilities and put it to good use? Probably none. Let's not fragment developers and the play store with 64 bit apps. Only the most powerful desktop apps even really use 64 bit fully (not counting ram). I disagree on all your benefits for the foreseeable future and only see negatives. As Apple found out with the instability of 64 bit iOS 7 apps.
35. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10436; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Apple has fixed those issues with 7.0.3 update.
Like I said, all Google needs is to release an Android build that fully supports it and developers will jump ship. My comment still stands.
36. NexusPhan (Posts: 624; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
I feel like you are vastly understating the requirements on Google's end for 64 bit compatibility. If Google doesn't see a positive benefit to cost, they simple won't do it. Maybe Android 5.0 will but I fell like we are a long time from seeing true benefits as end users.
41. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10436; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Android 5.0 will support it and hopefully multi-core processors as well (power efficiency). 64-bit is the future for smartphones. ARM, and especially Apple, wouldn't heavily invest money into a project that doesn't have potential. The benefits of 64-bit out weights those from 32-bit.
This was a pretty good discussion btw.
45. NexusPhan (Posts: 624; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
That it was. I hope you're right about the 64 bit thing. I love innovation and technology.
72. Windsponge (Posts: 92; Member since: 01 Nov 2009)
You are correct. Apple's use of 64 bit is useless. They sacrificed there old stuff to prepare for a couple years down the road. My IPad 4 is not working correctly and I got rid of I Phone 5 and bought note 3. Which I love. It happens all the time, if the whole system isn't ready it will not work correctly.
56. livyatan (Posts: 867; Member since: 19 Jun 2013)
Forget the 64bit!
It is simply a natural consequence of ARM v8 architecture being 64bit, nothing more.
Hadn't stupid journalists made a big deal out of it because of apple's marketing, it would be barely mentioned.
What makes this chip beyond amazing, if the rumors are true, is the 14NM PROCESS, and the said A53/A57 combination.
If you're not aware of the implications of it, just imagine the following - about 2-3 times the performance of the Snapdragon 800, AT HALF THE POWER CONSUMPTION.
This should truly be epic.
60. NexusPhan (Posts: 624; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
I'm well aware of the hardware benefits that come with a reduced nano-meter process. I was arguing that the 64 bit part of it was useless right now.
Looks like Android 4.4 will come with the 3.10 Linux kernel which, it looks like, begins to bring 64 bit support.
58. g2a5b0e (Posts: 3716; Member since: 08 Jun 2012)
Not quite. The Galaxy Nexus was the first phone announced with a 720 screen. The Rezound beat it to market by a few days.
57. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Ddr4 for desktops is being produced right now, should be on sale after the first boards come out that use it.
29. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
A 64 bit processor needs 4GB of RAM not DDR4 to be useful. The iPhone has neither, so you are correct NexusPhan it's a useless piece of hardware for now.
37. NexusPhan (Posts: 624; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
Thanks. I agree that down the road there will be a use (maybe even a need). But we are a long way from that time. I guess that was my only point.
38. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
Yeah, I don't really get what the point of starting an argument about that was. LoL
39. NexusPhan (Posts: 624; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
Slow day at work is the only reason. Haha.
40. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
Haha, that wasn't directed at you though. That's usually when I'm on here is when it's slow at the office.
52. Ninetysix (Posts: 2339; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
You would have saved yourself from looking like a dummy if you have only read the review at anandtech.
53. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)
The 64 bit automatically comes along with the Arm V8 architecture which is where the general performance gains come from.
If you don't know what that means than stop talking about the 64 bit transition.
66. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
People will still credit Apple for you no matter what you say. The A7 was not made/ and its partially designed by Apple, they pay Samsung to make it for them and do all the research.
69. Ninetysix (Posts: 2339; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
Do you give credit to TSMC for producing Qualcomm, Nvidia, & AMD chips? No? That's what I thought.
50. saffant (Posts: 271; Member since: 04 Jul 2011)
FAIL. Go read the anandtech review. The 64 bit isn't just a gimmick. It's an entirely new architecture which happens to use 64 bit (for future proofing as well as perf improvements). This allows for bigger registers, more memory bandwidth, and overall a more efficient system. Go read that review before you talk trash.
64. NexusPhan (Posts: 624; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
The article is all about how great ARMv8 is. Not 64 bit per say. ARMv8 is the real advancement here. It just happens to be 64 bit. Apple and 64 bit are not the ones who deserve credit and praise here. It's ARM.
6. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10436; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Samsung isn't going to announce the S5 in January.. The S4 already reached the 40 million mark, and they're going to stop that number from rising? Nope.
12. tech2 (Posts: 3354; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
Phonearena, before publishing 40 million sales news :
'Samsung may be rushing the Galaxy S5 along due to weaker than expected S4 sales'
after the news:
'Said Galaxy S5 is rumored to be pulled forward due to increased pressure from the competition'
No integrity !
13. xfire99 (Posts: 794; Member since: 14 Mar 2012)
They considering release S5 at Jan, coz the low sales of S4 and Sammy hopes for a 100M units sales. But it comes too big disappointment for them, since it "only" sales for 40m units so far.
16. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10436; Member since: 14 May 2012)
40 million units for ONE model in a matter of 6 months is bad? What?
59. pkiran1996 (Posts: 166; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)
What xfire99 is trying to say is that Samsung considers 40m as 'low' because their expectation was 100m. As a number, 40m is massive and commendable. But from the sellers perspective, they've sold 60 million less than they should have done (since they were hoping to sell 100 million).
18. rantao333 (Posts: 322; Member since: 21 May 2013)
they expect 100 million, and s3 already hit 60 million last year. so judging by the market growth, s4 is actually not selling that well.
22. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10436; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Name an Android model that has sold over 30 million besides Samsung's. I'll wait.
43. xfire99 (Posts: 794; Member since: 14 Mar 2012)
It doesnt matter how many a model have sold, even when its fastest selling smartphone in Samsung's history, when expectations arent met up as predicted and its bad news for a company and they have to do something to please theirs investors. 40m is not even close to 100m expectation.
Sammy is just way too over optimistic for S4 total sales. Why do u think Sammy even considering to release S5 faster, if S4 sales are as Sammy have expected?
A person of view, is not same as a whole company , that have investors to please and expectations to meet up.
48. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10436; Member since: 14 May 2012)
That's a rumor, which I'm so damn positive is not true.
100M units is unrealistic as it's going against 100's of other models in the Android world. Selling 40 million in 6 months is over 6 million units a month for just one model, not including the others Samsung produces.
47. nctx77 (Posts: 1717; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)
You need to look at apple if you need an example of how you can break records and people are still disappointed. 40 mil is great, but the s3 was selling the same or better. This was suppose to double s3 sales. It was never going to happen with increased competition. Next year with HTC ONE second gen and iphone 6, it will be a harder year.
49. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10436; Member since: 14 May 2012)
Did it meet the 100 mil mark? No, but the accomplishment of selling over 40 million is enough. 50 million by the end of the year would be impressive.
67. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
It will get a sales boost from Christmas.
19. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
Rumors bloggers always have the wrong date and timeline. Samsung announce their phone on the same month the SIV was announced.
7. roldefol (Posts: 4097; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I'm sure they'll still put a Snapdragon in the S5 for the Americas. Not a bad thing, but I tire of reading on a US-based web site about Exynos processors we rarely experience in a phone.