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Samsung will sue Apple immediately if it releases an LTE device, allegedly partnering with Microsoft to cut dependency on Android

0. phoneArena 30 Aug 2012, 08:48 posted on

Samsung’s recent loss in court might have triggered some interesting processes inside the company pushing it to develop closer ties with Microsoft…

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posted on 30 Aug 2012, 08:49 27

1. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)


Just accept judgement, copycat.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:01 43

19. MikeG77 (Posts: 410; Member since: 24 Nov 2008)


Apple is in no position to really be complaining about Samsung copying there products as Apple has done the same thing. The ONLY reason why Apple took Samsung to court was not to protect IP but to hurt them financially seeing as there the ONLY one really making any money. I mean come on Apple is now valued as the richest company in the world, has the highest gross margin and keeps breaking records for sales. To me Apple is just being straight up greedy asking for $2 billion in damages when there worth over $600 billion!

Im just curious if Samsung was able to prove they didn't copy Apple and had won in court would you tell Apple to accept the decision????? Don't bother answering because im willing to bet you would say NO.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:02 8

23. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)


Of course I would, i promise. If not the Highest Court, who would decide what is true and what not?

Well, there is God and I believe in him, but he has nothing to do with human judgement.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:19 6

43. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)


Ah, another question: did a single Fandroid accept the decision that Samsung copied Apple? No, they are making excuses again about the Court being corrupt and as forth...

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:23 8

46. MikeG77 (Posts: 410; Member since: 24 Nov 2008)


I agree there was a strong resemblence to when i looked at the Galaxy S and 3GS. Im not saying that Samung did not copy some Apple features but my point is that Apple has done the same as well.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:27 2

49. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)


Of course it did. Just not to to the degree they get sued for a billion of cash.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:36 4

56. MikeG77 (Posts: 410; Member since: 24 Nov 2008)


At this point you are correct but you and i both know that US patent law is complete crap that allows people to patent the dumbest things. To me the whole trial was a waste of time seeing as Apple is gonna shell out a bunch of money for attorneys and they got 8 phones banned that are'nt really relavent anymore.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:44 1

60. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)


Nah, it's about image. 1 billion isn't that much for Samsung and Apple especially and those eight phones really don't bug anyone anymore. They did earlier, as they helped Samsung to get those market share.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:48 9

62. ghostnexus (Posts: 96; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


people still buy the gs2

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 11:35 2

86. Supermanz28 (Posts: 17; Member since: 23 Aug 2012)


so what your saying is that its ok to copy as long as its not to much that u piss the person off and get sued? ya thats fair and totaly justifiable thats complete BS. i think apple just threw its weight around there was no need for this drama or crap i may like android but i do have apple products im not an ifan or fandroid but this was still stupid in every aspect, apple used to lawsuits so was more prepared for this where as samsung off guard its even been mentioned they were under prepared and had a weak argument for apple dispute.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:51 3

63. joey_sfb (Posts: 6036; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Keep up with your name calling... it just make you look piss with every android users which is like 68% and gaining....

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:55 2

64. TheLibertine (Posts: 484; Member since: 15 Jan 2012)


Well, same goes for Apple's tablet shipments. And as I never insulted someone or someone's opinion I'm relaxed about it.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 10:20 21

69. abdane (Posts: 494; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


bro, you're becoming the new TACO ! :D

if you know what i mean ;)

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 10:46 4

72. darkkjedii (Posts: 22128; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


or darkkjedii lol

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 14:50 5

100. ncv144 (Posts: 126; Member since: 04 May 2012)


True that, havent seen taco in a long while...

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 12:55 9

96. tbar (Posts: 34; Member since: 18 Jan 2010)


Well, let's see. I have owned an iPhone and an iPad. I currently have a WP7 and an android phone. With that said, my comments are: Apple is not an innovator as they are billed. They are a GREAT marketing firm. Everything they have is copied. They just do a better job of making people think they must have Apple products. Apple is also very hyprocritical. They copied everything but don't want anyone else to use that business model. And finally, as many have said, the patent process is completely broken and ridiculous. Until that gets fixed, we are still going to be dealing with this type of garbage. Personally, I hope the patents that have been granted to Apple and others that shouldn't have been get invalidated by the courts. Then what will Apple do? Their business plan is gone! One question I have asked that has never been answered is this: when a company files for a patent and does not include information that is available that shows prior art or application of technology, why aren't they subject to fines or sanctions????

Bottom line, it's a ridiculous mess because patents are granted that nobody with any common sense or intelligence would grant.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 13:34 4

98. lyndon420 (Posts: 4564; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Sorry to burst your little bubble, but you have an Android fanatic right here who thinks those Samsung phones looked alot like the crappy iphone. As far as the scrolling and pinch to zoom issues, I think that was apple reaching a little.

Apple had a good day in court yes, but I'm sure they will be feeling the pinch later. And this case did wonders for GS3 sales. (no I'm not a Sammy fan either).

posted on 01 Sep 2012, 02:02

128. Forsaken77 (Posts: 553; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)


I agree 100%. I prefer Android but think Samsung dug their own hole. The og iPhone was the first smatphone to look the way it does with the fully touchable screen with no buttons. 99% of smatphones use the same design. I'm surprised Apple didn't get a patent for the rectangle phone that's covered by a touch screen from top to bottom. Guess it was too general.

But why can Samsung sue if the iPhone uses LTE? LTE is a service , and it wasn't designed by Samsung.

posted on 07 Sep 2012, 10:01

139. Raymond_htc (Posts: 430; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)


Your note must be abused. poor note... fallen in the wrong hands.

posted on 07 Sep 2012, 10:06

140. Raymond_htc (Posts: 430; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)


Your note must be abused. poor note... fallen in the wrong hands.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 20:32

106. bonelyfish (Posts: 1; Member since: 30 Aug 2012)


You implied it was not guilty to steal from a thief? That's non-sense. (Especially Apple added a lot of their own effort and polishing to make the unworkable worked, and Samsung just copied)

posted on 07 Jan 2015, 06:05

145. Latrell567 (Posts: 2; Member since: 07 Jan 2015)


No they did not! Samsung made their success on their own. Samsung's design was their own, and only their own. They didn't follow the crowd, they made what they believed they could do. Apple had to copy Samsung, and Android. Apple copied the 3rd Party Keyboard by Android, Apple copied Samsung and Android's Smart watch idea, Apple copied Lock screen notifications, and a whole lot more. Idk why everyone blames Samsung for everything, but it needs to stop now!!

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:29

117. stealthd (unregistered)


Apple didn't get to where they are by ripping off other people's designs, and that's exactly what Samsung did.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:02 2

22. MeoCao (unregistered)


Samsung LTE patents are not FRAND?

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:19 1

42. groupsacc (Posts: 232; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


I thought they were FRAND. I think there was a case recently where Apple sued HTC for not letting them use the LTE technology.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:28 1

52. MeoCao (unregistered)


I don't know about patent law very well, but I guess SS LTE patents licensing precedence can be used by Apple to force a similar license. And SS cannot demand the ban of infringing products but merely ask for licensing fees.

Did I miss anything?

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:28 2

50. ph00ny (Posts: 1268; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Yes but that doesn't mean you don't pay for them.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:33 2

55. MeoCao (unregistered)


Then that is disappointment b-c Apple can settle this easily, and I want they face iPhone ban.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 09:42 2

59. ph00ny (Posts: 1268; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Supposedly samsung owns more than 10% of all essential LTE related patents right behind qualcomm. Even with FRAND patents, they can still sue if apple doesn't pay up for the patent usage. As for other patents outside of FRAND category, they can still sue apple without much issues.
Biggest problem is the courtroom where jury trials like the last one flat out ignored samsung's patent validity (which apple doesn't even deny) and awarded broad design patents with massive amounts of dollars

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 12:37

91. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Is LTE enough of a commonplace that FRAND applies? It's still a "luxury" feature

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