Samsung to use a 32nm quad-core Exynos and its own LTE baseband radio in the Galaxy S III
0. phoneArena 19 Mar 2012, 08:35 posted on
The hamster wheel that will power the Samsung Galaxy S III has been shrouded in mystery so far, but thanks to a Samsung exec who shall not be named, now we know that it will be a quad-core 32nm Exynos processor...
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1. kshell1 (Posts: 1143; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
32nm already 26% power improvement+greater clock speed+quad core=die s4 die
8. Commentator (Posts: 2706; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
The S4 uses 28nm, which has around the same, if not better, power consumption improvement. It can be clocked from 1-1.7 gHz, and a quad-core variant clocked at 2.5 gHz is slated to be released later this year. I wouldn't count out the S4 if I were you.
15. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Exactly, that is what I am always preaching. The new Qualcomm dual-core S4 Krait Pro is coming out this summer & out of the box with 28nm, & 1.5GHz that can be overclocked to 1.8GHz with the new Adreno 320 that will have true Xbox 360/PS3 graphics.
Also this fall like you said the Qualcomm S4 Krait quad-core with 28nm, 2.5GHz & Adreno 320 will truly be a marvel. The efficiency it will have due to its 28nm technology will be a huge advantage for Qualcomm, & that is why you can't count them out.
The S4 line is a very complete & competent line. It will be right up there with the rest that's for sure.
23. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you are comparing apples to oranges.
the 26% power improvement is from dualcore 4210 to dualcore 4212. thats just from the die shrinking. That is NOT for the quadcore. The article is not worded well in that regard.
The S4 gets a 50% gain from the S3, not from the Exynos. That puts it a hair above the exynos 4210 in performance. However, even a 26% improvement from the 4210 to the 4212 puts that back ahead of the S4 in performance and battery... without doing anything other than a die shrink.
When you go quad core 4212 and get the extra performance and battery benefits, its going to leave the S4 way behind.
At the same time of the Quad S4 launch is just about the same expected window for the Quad 5xxx exynos based on A15 with its massive upgraded GPU. I'll bet whatever you want that exynos A15 crushes the S4 A15 wannabe at the same clock speeds.
24. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Well I hope so because this article is implying that the quad-core 32nm Exynos A9 compared to the dual-core 45nm Exynos A9 is only a 26% difference in performance.
I hope that it was a wording error as you are claiming because if not that is going to be a disappointment to me.
Ohh & what's the bet?
25. k1ng617 (Posts: 264; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
Could it be he just be referring to the jump in clock speed without referring to the additional cores i.e. .3/1.2 = 25%.
26. hung2900 (Posts: 855; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
Dual-core Exynos 4212, not the quad-core Exynos 4412
27. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I don't know but based on this direct quote he seems to be comparing the 32nm quad-core A9 Exynos to the 45nm dual-core A9 Exynos:
"That makes Exynos 4412 ever more certain to debut in there, since it is indeed made by the frugal, yet more powerful 32nm process, and has four cores that can be humming at 1.5GHz-1.8GHz maximum speeds, depending on who your source is. It is still a Cortex-A9 design, but the die shrink and larger number of cores make for a brawnier and efficient replacement of the current 45nm Exynos in the Galaxy S II."
I could be wrong though...
28. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
10 bux to the winner's paypal account?
so, quadcore S4 VS quadcore Exynos 5xxx.
You are on. thanks for the money! :)
From early reports from samsung about the chip, the quadcore 4212 should be just about double the performance of the current exynos 4210. That puts its waaaaay ahead of the S4. The dual core 5210 A15 is supposed to be at the same level as the quad 4212, and then of course the 5210 quadcore is going to be a good jump from that + the next generation GPU.
just for numbers purposes
average quadrant score of S3 = approx 2300
average quadrant score of 4210 = approx 3200
2300 + 50% (1150) = 3450 quadrant
3200 + 25% (800) = 4000 quadrant.
AKA, the S4 is a hair above the 4210, but will be well behind the 4212 dual core and waaay behind the quadcore and 5xxx series... like ive been saying. :)
31. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Yes that is with the older Adreno 225. The new Adreno 320 will definitely affect those quadrant scores.
Remember the Adreno 320 will be on par with the Xbox360/PS3 in graphics output. That will sh*t on the Adreno 225 that comes with the original S4. You know the S4 "Pro" is the real monster dual-core from Qualcomm, that is the one with the Adreno 320. That one will be out this summer, right after the first or original S4 with Adreno 225 that you are basing your numbers on.
35. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Okay you keep using wrong number. The Xperia S use the 1.5 ghz S3 and it score around 3000. The HTC phone running the S3 has the 2300.
So we redo your math
3000+50% is 4500
which is better then 4000.
And you know that quadrant scores is the value of the CPU and GPU test.
39. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Ohh good point, the S3 is greatly affected by the resource hog that is HTC Sense! A S3 with vanilla Android will score huge numbers on Quadrant.
The Sony Xperia S's skin is not a resource hog like HTC’s Sense. Nice ngo2dd!
50. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Hell here is the score for the pantech Burst using the S3 and it get 3200 roughly. The 50% is not from the S3 to S4 but the different in GPU 220 to 225. They have never say how much better the S4 is compare to S3 in theme of CPU.
51. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
So here is a video of the one S benchmark on quadrant. If the link don't work then you copy and paste.
It is not just 50% better then the HTC score that remixfa posted. It is pretty high.
55. Bangthering_007 (Posts: 36; Member since: 21 Feb 2012)
Yes u are absolutely right.
It's scoe is 4,876 if we are talking nos.
Open your eyes @remixfa, S4 will be on par with exynos 5250 (this is the series 5 samsung which u keep on referring wrongly in your posts by the way).
42. Dr.Phil (Posts: 969; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
I think the hope is that we get to see the 5-series chipset in a phone this year, but for right now it is slated to be a tablet processor according to Samsung. The 5-series will be a beast when it is released.
However, I think we are getting too caught up on these processor benchmarks when we should just recognize that each of these chipsets coming out this year are powerful in their own right. I mean in all honesty, for what we use our phones for now, you are not going to really notice the true processing power of each of these chipsets. This is very comparable to the PC world where people go out and buy the latest six-core or eight-core processor and GPU, but the games that are out now may only use at most 4-cores (think of games like BF3). So, I think you won't truly see the benefit of quad-core chipsets for another year or so, which by that time you will most likely be looking at the Exynos 6-series or S5 chipset both perhaps based on a six-core chipset.
And on a side note, you can spew out benchmarks showing Exynos is better or S4 is better and they both wouldn't mean anything. Just like in the PC world, the chip manufacturers can put in kernels and drivers that take advantage of a certain benchmark. What is going to really matter is real world performance and I don't think you would be able to find that much of a difference unless Samsung makes certain games aimed at their chipset and Qualcomm makes certain games aimed at their chipset.
45. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
I agree with dr.phil. We have yet to see the enxyos on anything but a Samsung phone. We know samsung make everything in house meaning that they have the best drivers for the processor. I know the Enxyos is a better processor but it is not as big as a jump as people who say it is, we all know who
41. Habib (Posts: 114; Member since: 26 Feb 2011)
did you guys leave the HUAWEIII K3V2?
that looks like a good competitor! just reminding it, dnt leave it out of the equation of dual cores :D!
37. rd_nest (Posts: 1060; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
Technically S4 is NOT A15. S4 is just...Krait. Qualcomm does not strictly follow ARM A9/A15 design. Krait is next-gen for sure (after Scorpion), but it's definitely not A15.
I can't say for sure, but numbers don't look too good for S4. Yes, they are good when you compare against last year's tech. Let's take a few examples:
1> DMIPS -- raw processing. S4 said to have improved, but it's still less compared to 5250.
2> Memory bandwidth has not been a strong point for Qualcomm or nVidia. I don't see them doing better than Samsung now. It's doubled in S4 compared to S3. But S3 was very less to begin. Whereas Samsung doubled over 4210 which was already highest at this time.
I can't say much about Adreno 320. They didn't show any figures yet. But it's still long time before we actually have a product with it. Chances are we will have a T658 before we have a Adreno 320. BTW, T604 is rated at 5x times the Mali400.
Another major factor could be Samsung's vertical integration. Irrespective of actual power, it's evident that Samsung has the opportunity to deliver better drivers and firmware. They design, manufacture and then write the codes all by themselves. No other company has this level of integration. Vendors who implement Qualcomm/nVidia solution are in a obvious disadvantage. Check this:
emory/display/20110222201121_S amsung_Develops_Mobile_Memory_ with_Wide_I_O_Interface_Extrem e_Bandwidth.html
38. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
The Qualcomm S4 dual-core Krait with Adreno 320 is scheduled to be released this summer as the S4 "Pro". Then we will see what the Adreno 320 will do. It's head over heels more powerful than the Adreno 225.
They claim Xbox360/PS3 power out of the Adreno 320, that is crazy! Also that is not too far away!
47. rd_nest (Posts: 1060; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
You need to do 10x times (minimum) compared to Adreno 225 to achieve levels of PS3/XBOX. Even though these consoles are very old, I find it hard to believe that a generational jump would mean so much improvement in performance, specially keeping battery life into perspective.
52. Dr.Phil (Posts: 969; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
Well the Adreno 225 is pretty similar to the SGX543MP2. And the Adreno 320 is suppose to be 4 times the performance of the 225. Now, the SGX543MP4+ as you know is the chipset found in the PS Vita which produces PS3-like graphics. So I am pretty sure the Adreno 320 will be comparable to that chipset. It's too early to tell though, but it would be my guess.
I really want the Exynos 5-series quad-core with the Mali t-658 GPU. The Mali t-658 is going to have 10 times the performance of the Mali 400 found in the SGS2. Just to put this into perspective we can look at the Open GL benchmarks. The Open GL Egypt 720p benchmark for the Mali 400 found on the SGSII is 50.5 fps while the same benchmark for the new iPad is 140.9 fps. Imagine 10 times the performance of the Mali 400. It would absolutely kill the GPU found in the new iPad especially when coupled with an A15 quad-core processor.
54. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Yes I have to agree with you, that Mali t-658 GPU is going to be very beastly, but that is not scheduled for this year. The earliest it might appear will be late Q1 or early Q2 of 2013.
The Adreno 320 will be out this year on the S4 Pro this summer & on the quad-core S4 late Q3.
53. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
This is what Qualcomm claims. I tend to believe them because everything they have claimed before has actually come true, especially since they are not the only kid on the block anymore.
Qualcomm says it will be true Xbox360/PS3 graphics that can be produced with the Adreno 320. Remember the Xbox360 came out in 2005 & the PS3 came out in 2006. That is 6+ year old technology. It's definitely plausible that the Adreno 320 CAN actually deliver on those claims.
2. ph00ny (Posts: 627; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Someone should disect the 7.7 LTE and see if they're already utilizing the exynos + LTE on single chip solution
3. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Ok the 50% gains in battery life is VERY impressive. The 26% performance gain from a dual-core to a quad-core is not that impressive. Plus the integration of LTE on their SoC is huge, so no fake Galaxy S III's in the U.S. anymore.
I think the 32nm dual-core A15 Exynos will be better performance gain than the mere 26% from the quad-core 32nm Exynos 4412.
I don't know if I am too impressed with the 26% gain in performance. Though the 50% gain in battery life indeed is an eye opener & a game changer!
6. McLTE (Posts: 736; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
If we're talking 26% performance increase over what my Nexus has.. I'm all for it! Couple that with 50% better battery life.. kind of sounds too good to be true!
I would very very gladly take a smaller boost in performance and BIG gains in battery life.
We also don't know which GPU the phone will use.. so it could very well have significant performance gains in games.
I'm most excited about the possibility of better battery life.. bring it!
13. rd_nest (Posts: 1060; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
26% increased performance is mainly because of the clock-speed bump. 1.5/1.2 roughly equals to 125%...
The GPU though could be about 2x time more powerful. This is for dual core 4212 SoC:
business/semiconductor/minisit e/Exynos/data/exynos4_dual_32n m.pdf
I am sure 4412 will have atleast same or more powerful GPU.
14. rd_nest (Posts: 1060; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
Check this for dual core 4212:
business/semiconductor/minisit e/Exynos/data/exynos4_dual_32n m.pdf
Quad core 4412 should be better than this.
18. ph00ny (Posts: 627; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I'm pretty sure when that performance figure was given, it was based on a dual core demo configuration
4. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
So I have a feeling remixfa is going to comment on how PA is wrong because his "God" chipset is suppose to have 2X the performance I guess he is wrong.
36. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Here is your comment on PA a couple day ago making up number again.
"it wont. the quad core 4212 exynos is supposed to be about 2x as fast as the current exynos. Either way, it outclasses the S4 and T3 pretty handily. The S4 is already making its steady fall back to the bottom.. lol."
in an article that was not even about the S4 and noone
said anything about the S4 before you.
48. SleepingOz (unregistered)
You were trolling first, so basically, you're the troll.
49. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
I was making a statement that was true so I was not trolling.
5. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Did I miss something - what is the GPU that will power the GSIII?
11. Doakie (Posts: 1507; Member since: 06 May 2009)
Who are you? Steve Jobs? So confident in your assessment.
10. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6961; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
CAN I SEE THE FREAKIN PHONE ALREADY??
12. Guest_star (Posts: 231; Member since: 30 Dec 2011)
Oh snap no cortex a-15 for y'all samy fans :D
17. GuiltyBystander (Posts: 199; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
"26% performance improvement in the new Exynos"
Wot? only 26%.. the thing has 2 more cores than the SII and a 300Mhz bump and only 26% improvement? one would expect at least 50% improvement.. but i guess they balanced the power with battery life so the 50% gains in battery life explains why there isn't much of an improvement.. but i think if they added an extra core like Nvidia did that would be better..
But i'm a little bit disappointed that they wont use the Exynos 5250 which is based on the A-15 architecture,,
Anyway, I really hope this isn't true.
19. newbey123 (Posts: 512; Member since: 19 Mar 2012)
My upgrade has been up for a while and my phone is on its last legs I think. I was debating on waiting for this or getting the HTC Once X on AT&T. The X is going to be out the first few weeks of April and have the newer technology, but I can wait if needed.
Which would you guys go with?
20. johnny9000 (Posts: 46; Member since: 10 Sep 2011)
Same antenna as the Nexus? Well, as a Nexus owner to any future GS III I say, beware! I've never had poorer reception for calls or data as I do with my phone. I owned the Razr for about a week and it absolutely killed my Nexus reception, wish I would've kept it.
21. medicci37 (Posts: 883; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
The 1 thing i wish they would change on the GS III is the processor. Would rather have a dual core A15 than a quad core A9.
22. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I think I might have to second that.
+1 to you!
30. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i could care less as long as it gives me the power and battery life i crave. there are certain things the quadcore will do better by the ability of its extra processors for multithreading, and there are things the dual core will do better by being on the better chip implementation.
32. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4546; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Yeah it's tough to choose but I would still take a 2.0 to 2.5GHz dual-core A15 Exynos over say a 1.5GHz quad-core A9 Exynos.
Maybe I would take it if the quad-core A9 Exynos was like 1.8GHz or above. Just my opinion though.
33. jove39 (Posts: 1409; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
" 26% performance improvement in the new Exynos, with 50% gains in battery life" It doesn't indicate new exynos is grown from 2cores to 4 cores...just indicate higher clock speed.
34. jinwons (Posts: 95; Member since: 24 Nov 2010)
I think they got numbers mixed up. When dual Exynos 4212 was announced late last year, they said 50% improvement in GPU performance and 25% improvement in battery for the same clock. I think that's what he meant for 4412 vs 4210 as well. With higher clock speed kicked in, I'm sure 4412 will have impressive performance over 4210.
40. mkzme (Posts: 1; Member since: 19 Mar 2012)
remixfa, seriously mate, you really need to chill out, your numbers don't make sense anymore. you need to chill out take a deep breath. except for being fast yr beloved samsung galaxy has an ordinary design and its a very cheap build. No matter what you say companies like HTC or Moto managed to make good products and sold loads without having to copycat the iphone. I agree with evo, when S4 Pro comes out it will kick ass. As if this is true and the galaxy S3 comes with only a 26% improvement in performance from S2, then we might as well wait for the new galaxy S4. If HTC would have managed to have put a bigger battery in their One X i would have been the first one to buy it, as for me im waiting for the next HTC flagship or maybe the new galaxy note. Definitely not S3...
44. lukasound (Posts: 152; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
Well, i guess that is good enough to beat the competition, but not that revolutionary...
You have to consider the use of such a processor - Android UI is taken care of already and now benefits more from the GPU, and as far as i'm concerned - aps and games load fast and smooth on the current dual core Exynos. IO is maybe even more important for this...
What i wanted to say is that the GPU upgrade is more important for now... Especially considering the higher res screen. And we can have the A15 in SGS4 :)
46. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
There is no real reason to have all this power. Mobile gaming is a joke on a phone, yes it look nices but you will not have a deep and rich game play without a control or mouse/keyboard. Can you see playing league of legend or Forza without a control. My playstation vita is more then even thank you.