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Samsung to create 20 MP camera sensor for future flagships

0. phoneArena 02 Dec 2013, 01:54 posted on

16 MP camera modules with low-light friendly ISOCELL technology aren't the only thing brewing at Samsung for next year's flagships, it seems. Korean media is reporting on an even more resolute, 20 MP sensor being in the pipeline...

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posted on 02 Dec 2013, 02:00

1. iushnt (Posts: 461; Member since: 06 Feb 2013)


so no more sony sensors in galaxy flagships

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 02:15 5

4. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5280; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Sounds like Sammy hasn't bought into the whole OIS thing. If true, that could be an opening for HTC, LG and Sony. I wonder if Apple is going to be getting on the OIS bandwagon in 2014 with the iP6?

If Apple goes with OIS for the iP6, Sammy almost has to have OIS in its 2015 S6 and Note 5 models.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 02:48 4

12. Arman (Posts: 42; Member since: 08 Jul 2013)


in my opinion we wont see any OIS in next few years.. because the new sensors in combination of new processors can read and save the whole pixels with 60 frame per second.. e.g. RX10 from sony can read all 20 megapixels in 60 frame per second..

so what does it mean.. in next few years the power of processor and sensor will increase and they can read sensor with even higher rate like 120 frame per second or 240 fps.. and you can have digital image stabilization (with help from gyro and other sensors) which can perform way much better than OIS..

I called it here first..:) OIS will be dead in next few years

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 06:55 1

30. fanboy1974 (Posts: 997; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)


I wouldn't count on Apple to bring OIS to the iP6. More like the 6S. Apple's track record is pretty obvious; all their doing is small spec updates because honestly their running out of ideas. For example; what excuse do you have for not giving your flagship models at least 2gigs of ram on a 64bit platform? Or keeping the camera at 8mp when the competition has 13mp? During my 2 month experiment with the iPhone 5s Apples own apps were crashing due to low memory.
All I see Apple doing is a 10mp camera without OIS because they need to save something for the S model. Apple is only worried about taking baby steps. Just watch the display update; 4.5 inch when the competition is already above 5 inches.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 07:40

32. nctx77 (Posts: 285; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)


Whatever dude, ios crashes because of it not fully being optimized yet. You obviously haven't used ios 7.1 beta. It has nothing to do with ram which leads me to my next point. Why put 2 gigs of ram or other higher specs when you don't need them? At 8 mp, the iphone has one of the best cameras on the market.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 09:47 1

33. Shatter (Posts: 1766; Member since: 29 May 2013)


Keeping dreaming fanboy the 1520 has the best and the 5s loses to most of the android flagships.

2gb is far from enough. It will be pointless after 8-16gb till photorealistic gaming becomes a reality.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 12:28

35. wildfiregt (Posts: 66; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)


I've been using 1GB RAM phone and I can't tell you it is not enough at all. From 1GB, some are reserved for the cpu,gpu and the OS. which means only 400Mb are left. The OS will start killing apps from around 80mb left. Which means you have 320Mb usuable. Apps today takes much of the Ram, Facebook (with Messenger) needs 150mb. You won't be able to run a game,pause it and Go browsing 3 pages without getting an app closed.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 02:20 2

6. hung2900 (Posts: 714; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


In fact almost all Samsung flagships use both Samsung and Sony sensors, and from some comparisons (S3,Note 2) on xda Samsung's sensor is a bit better.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 02:37 4

11. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


I think Samsung will not using sony sensor if their sensor really better than sony sensor, and i'm pretty sure that apple will also use samsung sensor.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 02:49

14. hung2900 (Posts: 714; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


Actually it is the capacity problem, like Apple buys display from various manufacturers

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 03:28 4

17. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


I don't think so, i'm sure samsung will have no problem with capacity.

I think the only reason why samsung is using their sensor in some S3 and Note 2 is because sony can't keep up with samsung demand.
Last year Iphone 5 and S3 is 2 best selling smartphone, both of the uses sony sensor.
just imagine how much image sensor that sony need to produce for apple, samsung, xperia and other OEMs.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 02:23 7

8. akki20892 (Posts: 2656; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


Worst camera in my HTC one. Sad :(

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 09:49 2

34. Shatter (Posts: 1766; Member since: 29 May 2013)


Remember when it came out and PA tried to say MP didn't matter and HTC one was the best? The users voted several times and its an obvious pos.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 02:32

10. spectrums (Posts: 127; Member since: 14 Nov 2013)


yes, And I hope Sammy Never Use Sony Sensors Again :)

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 03:10 2

16. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


That's because sony wasn't going to sell their cutting edge image sensor to other OEMs.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 02:02 6

2. skuld (Posts: 44; Member since: 10 Jan 2013)


saw it coming after Sony released the Z1. so what's next sammy?

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 02:09 4

3. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2096; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


Sammy's snappers are quite good. And this 20 MPs would also do fantastic job in the future when they come.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 02:19 4

5. emadshiny (Posts: 1085; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)


To be more accurate, Sony's snappers are great and of course Sammy's optimization is great too to make it a complete camera.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 02:22 1

7. hung2900 (Posts: 714; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


In fact almost all Samsung flagships use both Samsung and Sony sensors, and from some comparisons (S3,Note 2) on xda Samsung's sensor is a bit better.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 02:31 4

9. emadshiny (Posts: 1085; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)


Please show me the source.
All sensors used in all flagships of all brands except for Nokia are made by Sony.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 02:48 1

13. hung2900 (Posts: 714; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


Galaxy S2:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1443658
Galaxy S3:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1866593
(S3 with sony sensor firmware version is ZDFD06 and the samsung one is GDFE02)

ZD vs GD comparison on Note 2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39668270&postcount=23

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 03:05 4

15. emadshiny (Posts: 1085; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)


So what?
These links say exactly the opposite of what you claim.
Read them carefully.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 03:32 1

18. hung2900 (Posts: 714; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


What opposite? Skipped the BS comments. The last link shows the comparison between Sony and Samsung sensor on Note 2, and the poster tended to say that Samsung's oin is better. I myself think it's better also. I admit that Samsung's sensor on S2 is worse, nut I didn't say it is better in my previous comment. So please "read them carefully".

And nothing conflict with what I claimed "Samsung's flagships use both sensor from Sony and Samsung"

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 04:13 2

20. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


Hahaha... wth you talking about dude!! if you show us some comparison with different firmware it doesn't mean samsung sensor is better than sony.

It just like gsmarena comparison between s4 octa vs s4 s600 both of the using sony sensor but the camere have different output just because they uses different chipset and software.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_i9500_vs_i9505-review-930p4.php

s4 zoom using 16mp 1/2.3" if samsung sensor really better than sony sensor, s4 or note 3 will use the same sensor like s4 zoom and i'm sure samsung will have no problem with capacity since samsung doesn't need to provide image sensor for other OEMs.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 04:53

24. NonXtreme (Posts: 1; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)


Both s4 octa and s4 s600 use sony sensor but s4 octa use sony Exmor RS and s4 s600 use sony Exmor R.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 05:44

26. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


Yeah i know that, but are you sure all s4 s600 version using the same sensor?? and can you show me some comparison between s4 with exmor rs vs s4 exmore r but both of them must use the same software!

Let me show you some comparison so you can clearly see that same sensor with 2 different software can produce 2 different result.

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z_gets_firmware_update_improves_camera_quality-news-6041.php

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 05:30

25. hung2900 (Posts: 714; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


Different firmware because the sensors are different, just it, understand?
And abt the capacity, that's only what I guess. But the thing is many Samsung's flagships use both Samsung and Sony sensor is correct, OK?

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 06:08

28. yudi.nemesis (Posts: 1127; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


Lol... look at my post #26 you can clearly see that software can make different result.

Yeah i know that samsung is using both sony and samsung sensor, but i'm not agree when you say that samsung sensor is better than sony sensor and you show us some unfair comparison.

If samsung really able to make better sensor than sony there is no reason from them to keep using sony sensor.
And when it comes to production capacity its not hard for samsung to beat sony + samsung doesn't need to provide image sensor for othe OEMs.
The most rational reason why samsung using their own sensor in some s3 and note2 is because sony can keep up with samsung demands

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 06:17

29. FCB-Eto (Posts: 19; Member since: 17 Aug 2013)


Actually the sensor on the lumia 920 and 929 are Sony sensors.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 04:04 1

19. spectrums (Posts: 127; Member since: 14 Nov 2013)


Because Sony Sensor Is Bad :)

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 04:28 3

21. emadshiny (Posts: 1085; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)


You mean like your English?!

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 04:32

22. spectrums (Posts: 127; Member since: 14 Nov 2013)


I'm Not Understand What Your Mean :)

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 06:01

27. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2096; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


He means, improve your English.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 15:22

37. rodneyej1 (Posts: 2873; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)


LOL.. He writes like he talks.. Lol.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 04:33 4

23. spectrums (Posts: 127; Member since: 14 Nov 2013)


R.I.P Paul Walker.

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 15:21

36. rodneyej1 (Posts: 2873; Member since: 06 Jul 2013)


R.I.P Spectrums...

posted on 02 Dec 2013, 07:14 1

31. Sondae (Posts: 181; Member since: 02 Jan 2013)


There is so many especulation about what samsung will get on there camera. I do wish when samsung release s5 i hope it wont be disappointing since s5 is a high end phone which has everything.

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